La. bishops: No guns in Catholic churches

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Most people who carry concealed do so because of some frequent perceived risk.

In one case, a woman was abducted by her ex-husband as she left the church on sunday (tho’ I don’t recall if it was a Catholic Church). He later murdered her.

Had she been carrying, she might have been able to stop him from abducting her.

There are dozens of such cases.

The criminals now know that anyone going into or coming out of a Catholic Church in Louisiana is unarmed. It’s not just inside, but on the way to the car, bus, or taxi-stand.

Crime in the churches proper is far less than crime outside.

I know that a man was mugged outside Holy Family Cathedral, Anchorage, as he walked to the bus. No CCW law at the time; the mugger was never caught. The mugger followed him from the church towards the bus terminal (1 not-too-terribly big block), and jumped him at the corner, dragging him behind the hedge of the parish center.

In La. now, muggers know that Catholics are not supposed to be armed, and being armed is a sin, so are now easier targets before and after mass. Muggers, generally, are cowards; this makes them far more likely to target Catholics around mass times.
 
Rascalking said:
Yes, because like all English majors, we memorize every single word in existence and all the ways it can be used. We never use common vernacular.
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You may think that this is off topic, but it is not really. What would you say are the greatest novels of all time ?
Also, I think it is great that you are getting a master’s degree in English. Congratualtions and good luck. My comment was that there are many educated Catholics who disagree with you on bringing loaded concealed guns to Church, such as a very good friend of mine who is getting her PhD in English from a famous northeastern ivy league university. She already has her master’s degree from that ivy league institution and is close to finishing up her PhD.
 
Exactly so. It echos a lack of trust in God and a lack of charity to neighbor.
  • “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.”
  • “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?”
 
sidbrown said:
You may think that this is off topic, but it is not really. What would you say are the greatest novels of all time ?
Also, I think it is great that you are getting a master’s degree in English. Congratualtions and good luck. My comment was that there are many educated Catholics who disagree with you on bringing loaded concealed guns to Church, such as a very good friend of mine who is getting her PhD in English from a famous northeastern ivy league university. She already has her master’s degree from that ivy league institution and is close to finishing up her PhD.
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In all seriousness, thanks for the comments. I’m going to a state school in the state that I live in.

Without giving it serious thought, the greatest novels of all time,are, roughly- Brideshead Revisited by Waugh, A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens, anything by Jane Austen and James Joyce, and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison. Nathaniel Hawthorne is an also ran for The Scarlet Letter, basically because it was the first (arguably) “American novel”.

My area of study and main interests are Elizabethan drama and modernist poetry, in particular Christopher Marlowe for the former and TS Eliot for the later.
 
Rascalking said:
In all seriousness, thanks for the comments. I’m going to a state school in the state that I live in.

Without giving it serious thought, the greatest novels of all time,are, roughly- Brideshead Revisited by Waugh, A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens, anything by Jane Austen and James Joyce, and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison. Nathaniel Hawthorne is an also ran for The Scarlet Letter, basically because it was the first (arguably) “American novel”.

My area of study and main interests are Elizabethan drama and modernist poetry, in particular Christopher Marlowe for the former and TS Eliot for the later.
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My younger daughter is majoring in English (secondary education minor). 🙂

Miz
 
I’m already thinking of about 30 other novels I could put on, but I’m trying to be good!

The only thing English majors agree on is that there sure is alot to disagree about! Sounds just like Catholics! 😛
 
Rascalking said:
In all seriousness, thanks for the comments. I’m going to a state school in the state that I live in.

Without giving it serious thought, the greatest novels of all time,are, roughly- Brideshead Revisited by Waugh, A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens, anything by Jane Austen and James Joyce, and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison. Nathaniel Hawthorne is an also ran for The Scarlet Letter, basically because it was the first (arguably) “American novel”.

My area of study and main interests are Elizabethan drama and modernist poetry, in particular Christopher Marlowe for the former and TS Eliot for the later.
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In going through the greatest 100 novels of all time, it seems like a disproportionate number of them are written by Catholics and Russian Orthodox. Anyway, I have never heard of anyone in Russia wanting to take a gun into Church. And you have to realise that some of the Russian Orthodox have been among the greatest writers in the world. Here is a list and ranking given by Daniel Burt of the 100 greatest novels of all time with the religion of the authors. It is interesting because it gives the religion of the authors. adherents.com/people/100_novel.html
 
sidbrown said:
In going through the greatest 100 novels of all time, it seems like a disproportionate number of them are written by Catholics and Russian Orthodox. Anyway, I have never heard of anyone in Russia wanting to take a gun into Church. And you have to realise that some of the Russian Orthodox have been among the greatest writers in the world. Here is a list and ranking given by Daniel Burt of the 100 greatest novels of all time with the religion of the authors. It is interesting because it gives the religion of the authors. adherents.com/people/100_novel.html
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Well, I’m still not sure what the two have to do with each other. You and I are clearly not going to agree on this issue. I can say nothing that would change your mind, and vice versa. Agree to disagree and move on.

I think The Brothers Karamazov is the greatest Russian fiction novel. I have not read Tolstoy’s fiction work (I’ve read some of his non-fiction) and Solzhenitsyn is, in my opinion, the author of the greatest non fiction work in history. Chekov is also brilliant for Russian short stories. Russian literature is what I enjoy reading, it’s not a field where I know alot about.

It’s good that your reading the classics. I wish more people did.
 
I’m really am truly glad to hear we have such great readers here at CAF.
Lets get back to the topic.
 
Stylites said:
Exactly so. It echos a lack of trust in God and a lack of charity to neighbor.
  • “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.”
  • “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and to lose his soul?”
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That’s really all very interesting, but telling that to someone who has just seen a bad guy shoot his child might not be advisable.

Remember something crucial-bad guys generally don’t follow rules, and usually don’t respond to bible quotes.
 
Rascalking said:
That’s really all very interesting, but telling that to someone who has just seen a bad guy shoot his child might not be advisable.

Remember something crucial-bad guys generally don’t follow rules, and usually don’t respond to bible quotes.
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My post was directed to those who conceal guns in Church with itchy fingers, not those who pull them out in Church.

In the context of the OP’s theory that Churches in Louisiana will become “resistance-free zones” because of what the Bishops publicly stated vis a vis the just expansion of CCW laws in their state, I have to wonder whether the bad guys are literate and if so, do they read the news, and if so, do they follow the announcements of Bishops.
 
Stylites said:
My post was directed to those who conceal guns in Church with itchy fingers, not those who pull them out in Church.

In the context of the OP’s theory that Churches in Louisiana will become “resistance-free zones” because of what the Bishops publicly stated vis a vis the just expansion of CCW laws in their state, I have to wonder whether the bad guys are literate and if so, do they read the news, and if so, do they follow the announcements of Bishops.
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No, that is just the whole point. Bad guys could care less about bans of guns anywhere. What it does do, as to what these Bishops did, was it let good honest Catholics from not carrying their concealed handguns in churches, because we concealed carriers have to obey the bans, if not, we face trouble with the law!
 
Byzman said:
No, that is just the whole point. Bad guys could care less about bans of guns anywhere. What it does do, as to what these Bishops did, was it let good honest Catholics from not carrying their concealed handguns in churches, because we concealed carriers have to obey the bans, if not, we face trouble with the law!
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This is excatly right. Criminals generally don’t obey the laws. :eek: (I know that surprising to some people)

There are very nasty people in this world. Not everyone is full of love and warm fuzzies. Sometimes these naughty people don’t pay attention to the laws of nice people.
 
Byzman said:
No, that is just the whole point. Bad guys could care less about bans of guns anywhere. What it does do, as to what these Bishops did, was it let good honest Catholics from not carrying their concealed handguns in churches, because we concealed carriers have to obey the bans, if not, we face trouble with the law!
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Odd, as you declared early on in this thread that the Bishops were essentially inviting criminals to Mass to rob and kill by their public pronouncement. But now we learn that criminals “could care less” (or even couldn’t care less) about gun bans as they supposedly attack everywhere without discrimination or forethought or planning, and it’s only the 1st Amendment right of the Bishops to their own property which is now endangering parishioners.
 
Byzman said:
What it does do, as to what these Bishops did, was it let good honest Catholics from not carrying their concealed handguns in churches, because we concealed carriers have to obey the bans, if not, we face trouble with the law!
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In the zeal to hunt down criminals, do all CCW holders want to break the law and not be criminals? Seems odd to be complaining of lawful laws while claiming to stand against lawlessness.
 
Stylites said:
Odd, as you declared early on in this thread that the Bishops were essentially inviting criminals to Mass to rob and kill by their public pronouncement. But now we learn that criminals “could care less” (or even couldn’t care less) about gun bans as they supposedly attack everywhere without discrimination or forethought or planning, and it’s only the 1st Amendment right of the Bishops to their own property which is now endangering parishioners.
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Are you kidding me? Do you really think that criminals will listen to the Bishops and say, “Gee guys, we can’t take are guns in here.”?

DC has a strict handgun ban. No bad guys used guns there, right? Same with Chicago. Bad guys now settle there disputes with black jack, right? Maybe play rocks, paper, scissors?
 
DC has a strict handgun ban. No bad guys used guns there, right? Same with Chicago. Bad guys now settle there disputes with black jack, right? Maybe play rocks, paper, scissors?
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Are you equating a city with hundred of thousands or millions of people with a Catholic Church?
 
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