LA prelate ‘deeply concerned’ about Trump on immigration

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Many kids move abroad with their parents as teen, it’s not a sob story.

Give em a year and I bet they are fluent in two languages 👍

There is no harm in following the rule of law, letting them reside in their legal country.
Anchor babies is following the rule of law. The parents may have broken the law, but their baby did not. And as Archbishop Gomez indicates (and most people agree) the current law is dysfunctional and needs reform…
 
I don’t really understand the logic here. If Jose and Maia come here illegally and are deported with their US-born children, who only speak English (unlikely), why is it such a tragedy? Because all they’ve known is the US and they only speak English?
Maybe they didn’t come illegally but were working on visa extensions? It seems illegality covers a lot of ground.

And I see it not so much a tragedy but mean-spiritness of those who have to blame someone for their inability to find work. And it’s already being done. Trump isn’t saying anything new in spite of the cheers he gets. Trump is merely eliminating some of the programs toward legality which are in place.
 
Maybe they didn’t come illegally but were working on visa extensions? It seems illegality covers a lot of ground.

And I see it not so much a tragedy but mean-spiritness of those who have to blame someone for their inability to find work. And it’s already being done. Trump isn’t saying anything new in spite of the cheers he gets. Trump is merely eliminating some of the programs toward legality which are in place.
I argue with the logic–the idea that they should not be deported *for this reason * is a lousy argument.

I believe we should have a type of amnesty arrangement for those who are here who are not otherwise involved in crime, because our own government was not enforcing the law and employers were inviting people to come. Why should they be the only ones required to respect our laws if we don’t respect them ourselves?
 
I’ll be happy to see them leave so that struggling middle class Americans can finally get jobs picking lettuce and working as day laborers. It’s been my dream all my life to operate a leaf blower. And now I’ll get my chance.
 
So? Why does finding a “merciful” solution always mean the USA needs to absorb millions and millions of people that broke the law? Why can these people understand by being “merciful” we are harming, and directly so, USA citizens?

I agree with Trump. Its time to end anchor babies. I want to be “merciful” the middle class american worker instead of ignoring them.
👍 well said.
 
Consider that some of these “children” are in their late teens, have never known any country other than the US, and do not even speak the languages of Mexico et.al. What justice is there in sending them to a country that is foreign to them? If they are well-adjusted members of society here, what harm is there in letting them stay here, compared to the certain harm to them in sending them back?
If their parents came here from Mexico, Spanish or as you state, the languages of Mexico, are their first language. English is their second language .
 
Archbishop Gomez steps into the debate on immigrants, refugees underlying the importance of finding merciful solutions and a way forward. “Our system has been broken for so long, our politicians have failed to act for so long, that the people we are now punishing have become our neighbors,” Gomez writes.

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I think building a wall and securing the borders is a good thing, so that people can decide who and who doesn’t come into their Country just like we would our homes.

I also think deporting criminals, those who commit crimes is appropriate, and that people should not be ‘illegal aliens’ in a Country, as for those who are in the USA illegally, and have not committed any crimes, I would like to see for them a path to citizenship and I think Trump & Pence could certainly be open to that, as for sanctuary cities, I believe someone made a good point, that if someone who is in the USA illegally, has a crime committed against them (Lets say they are raped) they could refuse to tell the police because of fear they may be deported, and that I believe would be a very bad situation which would give a green light to all kinds of abuses, and so I agree those people should be able to report crimes without fear of getting ‘found out’ and deported.

I believe there may be other ways of achieving this without ‘sanctuary cities’ and ignoring ‘illegal immigration’ such as allowing paths to citizenship those who have not committed any crimes or perhaps allow anonymity for that sort of thing.

Anyway, just some of my thoughts on the issue.

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Josh
 
I’ll be happy to see them leave so that struggling middle class Americans can finally get jobs picking lettuce and working as day laborers. It’s been my dream all my life to operate a leaf blower. And now I’ll get my chance.
This involves two separate problems. Used to be that poor people earned extra money by doing agricultural work; this is no longer feasible as their welfare would be messed up.

It also used to be that teens earned extra money by caring for the lawns of their neighbors. This doesn’t happen any more, due to a lack of teens and increased requirements on them (internships, school activities, etc). However, it would be nice if Americans could get those jobs, even if you yourself might not want to do it. There are Americans who could use the work.
 
If their parents came here from Mexico, Spanish or as you state, the languages of Mexico, are their first language. English is their second language .
Whether it’s their first or second language, we can always use someone who is well-versed in English. Reading comprehension in this country can’t get much worse.
 
Many kids move abroad with their parents as teen, it’s not a sob story.

Give em a year and I bet they are fluent in two languages 👍

There is no harm in following the rule of law, letting them reside in their legal country.
What are you talking about? If these children were born here, they’re US citizens. You want to deport US citizens?
 
I argue with the logic–the idea that they should not be deported *for this reason * is a lousy argument.

I believe we should have a type of amnesty arrangement for those who are here who are not otherwise involved in crime, because our own government was not enforcing the law and employers were inviting people to come. Why should they be the only ones required to respect our laws if we don’t respect them ourselves?
Removing this type of amnesty is exactly what Trump is trying to do. So more deportations are justified because they now become illegal immigrants. How dehumanizing.
 
Removing this type of amnesty is exactly what Trump is trying to do. So more deportations are justified because they now become illegal immigrants. How dehumanizing.
I think it’s your first sentenceI don’t understand, but overall, I’m not sure what you mean. We don’t have amnesty right now…
 
I’ll be happy to see them leave so that struggling middle class Americans can finally get jobs picking lettuce and working as day laborers. It’s been my dream all my life to operate a leaf blower. And now I’ll get my chance.
lol, Seriously though. Isn’t this in effect saying that illegal immigrants are essentially being used as slave labor then if that’s how you view those jobs? Because if that’s the motivation for keeping illegal immigrants I think it is a wrong and immoral one.

p.s. I wouldn’t mind operating a leaf blower at all, be a great job aside from probably the pay. never picked lettuce before.

I hope this has helped.

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Thank you for reading
Josh
 
lol, Seriously though. Isn’t this in effect saying that illegal immigrants are essentially being used as slave labor then if that’s how you view those jobs? Because if that’s the motivation for keeping illegal immigrants I think it is a wrong and immoral one.
That is exactly what is going on. It is the same with H1B visas. There is always some poor group who can be exploited for labor against the interests of the poor locals. The difference today is that this system is absolutely incompatible with the social welfare state. You can’t pay tremendous sums of money to educate every child, legal and illegal, only to later pay many of them for not working while importing labor. Well you can do it but eventually it all falls apart and all but the richest people in your society will live miserable lives. Like so many things we do the cost is being shifted onto our children. It is very evil what we are doing.
 
lol, Seriously though. Isn’t this in effect saying that illegal immigrants are essentially being used as slave labor then if that’s how you view those jobs? Because if that’s the motivation for keeping illegal immigrants I think it is a wrong and immoral one.
You will have competition even without immigration. What do you think is moral, deporting all those who happen to perform at landscaping services better than you can?
 
Consider that some of these “children” are in their late teens, have never known any country other than the US, and do not even speak the languages of Mexico et.al. What justice is there in sending them to a country that is foreign to them? If they are well-adjusted members of society here, what harm is there in letting them stay here, compared to the certain harm to them in sending them back?
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Yup. They are/have become American. As you said they do not speak Spanish. If they are doing well for our society (i.e. be a productive member of society), then why send them back?

Did their parents break the law? Yes. Are the kids to blame? No they are not.
 
I’ll be happy to see them leave so that struggling middle class Americans can finally get jobs picking lettuce and working as day laborers. It’s been my dream all my life to operate a leaf blower. And now I’ll get my chance.
But once legal americans hold those jobs, they are not going to work for $3. an hour or whatever the illegals were doing it for, so lawn care, and produce costs will likely rise.
 
Yup. They are/have become American.
Unless they have gone through the proper process, no.
As you said they do not speak Spanish. If they are doing well for our society (i.e. be a productive member of society), then why send them back?
Well, they are criminals.
Justice must be served. Breaking up a family is overly harsh, but the violation of the law must be addressed.
Did their parents break the law? Yes. Are the kids to blame? No they are not.
If I as a parent refuse to pay the mortgage, the family will be evicted. My kids will suffer.
I do not see this much different.
The parents are in violation of the law. They knew it at the time and they continue to be criminals. I feel bad that a child may suffer the consequences of their parents actions, but no one is to blame for the violation but the parents.
 
What are you talking about? If these children were born here, they’re US citizens. You want to deport US citizens?
That’s what I’m trying to figure out…I’m still waiting for any of those who support deporting them answer your question as to why legal US citizens should be deported.
 
What are you talking about? If these children were born here, they’re US citizens. You want to deport US citizens?
No. Let’s provide the parents the opportunity to become naturalized citizens.
But we need to address the violation of the law.

If the parents decide otherwise, then they have options.

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