Lashing of Saudi 13 year old girl

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Do a google search for Rodney Hulin and read about what happened to this 16 year old in the American prison system. It is one thousand times worse than what occurs in Saudi Arabia.
There are unjust things that go on in the American prison system as with other countries but it is not the policies of our prison system or policies of the United States government to abuse inmates.

The biggest problem in our prisons is gangs.

Like I posted before I defend the Saudi people the majority are good people it’s the Mullahs; that’s the problem.
 
When a punishment is so brutal that it involves not only torture and explotation, but leads to the death of a child, then it is much worse than a punishment such as flagellation which has been practiced by Catholic Saints.
So…are you going to follow your Biblical advice and sell everything you own to follow Christ? Still waiting for the answer. I suspect there is a double standard here and won’t wait any longer for your answer.
 
There are unjust things that go on in the American prison system as with other countries but it is not the policies of our prison system or policies of the United States government to abuse inmates.

The biggest problem in our prisons is gangs.

Like I posted before I defend the Saudi people the majority are good people it’s the Mullahs; that’s the problem.
Why did not the prison authorities respond to the several complaints of the child that he was being tortured?
If there was caning for those in these prison gangs responsible for these cruel beatings and torture of children, then perhaps these incidents would be fewer and children would be safer in American prisons than they are now.
 
Why are Americans complaining about Saudi Arabia, when it is clear that American children in American prisons fare much worse?
 
But if they are not concerned about what happens to American children in the American prison system, then would that not negate the lesser issues that American are raising with the Saudi Arabian system.
BTW, I am interested in what is happening in Ireland. It has been in the news lately, and it would be great if someone with first hand knowledge could let us know (on another thread) what has been going on there. (I apologise for the off thread remark, but you have mentioned Ireland).
 
The girl deserves some punishment. In comparison, Western schools are so strange anymore (Midwestern dialect!), often forbidding minor things and ignoring more serious offenses, and with either lax or overly “severe”(I mean, which would one rather have - being expelled for a year or sent to an intensive-care unit?) punishment. Anyway, 90 lashes is extremely harsh, certainly too much for a child perpetrating such a petty tort. Are they trying to kill her in order to set an example? Lord help her!
 
for how to get this documentation, please see post #151, and #133.
That is one awful case and it is one too many, but you are making a blanket statement about the entire country vs SA…DO you have statistics from some organization like amnesty international to back your claim up?
 
That is one awful case and it is one too many, but you are making a blanket statement about the entire country vs SA…DO you have statistics from some organization like amnesty international to back your claim up?
It is pretty horrifying what happens in the American prison system: “Savaged by dogs, Electrocuted With Cattle Prods, Burned By Toxic Chemicals…They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for Channel 4” See: Torture Inc. Americas Brutal Prisons By Deborah Davies
Do a google search, I can’t give a link here to such horrific brutality in American prisons.
 
It is pretty horrifying what happens in the American prison system: “Savaged by dogs, Electrocuted With Cattle Prods, Burned By Toxic Chemicals…They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for Channel 4” See: Torture Inc. Americas Brutal Prisons By Deborah Davies
Do a google search, I can’t give a link here to such horrific brutality in American prisons.
These are not proof…they might be true, but you need more than a he said, she said…You need a group to independently document this stuff…people can claim anything
 
It is pretty horrifying what happens in the American prison system: “Savaged by dogs, Electrocuted With Cattle Prods, Burned By Toxic Chemicals…They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for Channel 4” See: Torture Inc. Americas Brutal Prisons By Deborah Davies
Do a google search, I can’t give a link here to such horrific brutality in American prisons.
And to think that people worry about whether an execution is painful for a serial murderer(after he has been living off of the taxpayer’s money for 20 years)!
 
These are not proof…they might be true, but you need more than a he said, she said…You need a group to independently document this stuff…people can claim anything
I would say it is proof conclusive, since they have documented everything on film. And everything is independently verified. You can easily check all of this yourself.
 
You have a lot more faith in our news and press than I do…They will do anything to get a story and to spread one…Burning Down My Fathers House by that guy from the NYT is a prime example of how they operate

The fact that they bashed Bush at every turn and refuse to report on anything that makes O look bad is another, they refused to show the Right to Life March because they didn’t want people to see how well attented it was

I don’t believe nor trust half of what comes from our media…and many in the US feel just like I do
 
These are not proof…they might be true, but you need more than a he said, she said…You need a group to independently document this stuff…people can claim anything
One of the things that you find with this forum…and probably most…is that when people have no answer to a question they simply continuouly ignore posts about it. That goes for SidBrown…Hamba and a few others. Whether it’s religion…global warming…evolution…abortion or any other thread.

They suggest that certain things are justified or not justified by using Biblical references. Then when you ask them if they follow other verses in particular they just blow you off as though you are not there. That is because they have no answer and are acting as hypocrites. Not exactly a sign of intelligence or debate skills. They are expected to be taken at their word…and the rest of us have to prove what we say or believe.

In this particular case SidBrown justifies flogging a 13 year old because of OT statements…but when you repeatedly ask if he follows certain NT statements of Jesus…he refuses to answer. Sounds like a fundementalist to me. Pick and choose what you take literally from the Bible to suit your current position.

BLAHHHHHHHHH BLAHHHHHHHHHH BLAHHHHHHHHHHH TO THEM!
 
I am sorry; I was merely attempting to re-edit a statement, not to duplicate the paragraph which I wrote.
The girl deserves some punishment. In comparison, the typical Western school are so strange anymore (Midwestern dialect!), often forbidding minor things and ignoring more serious offenses, and with either lax or overly “severe”(I mean, which would one rather have - being expelled for a year or sent to an intensive-care unit?) punishment. Anyway, 90 lashes is extremely harsh, certainly too much for a child perpetrating such a petty tort. Are they trying to kill her in order to set an example? Lord help her!
 
You have a lot more faith in our news and press than I do…They will do anything to get a story and to spread one…Burning Down My Fathers House by that guy from the NYT is a prime example of how they operate

The fact that they bashed Bush at every turn and refuse to report on anything that makes O look bad is another, they refused to show the Right to Life March because they didn’t want people to see how well attented it was

I don’t believe nor trust half of what comes from our media…and many in the US feel just like I do
Then why do you trust the false reports that a Saudi 13 year old is being beaten? You are contradicting yourself.
 
I didn’t say I didn’t trust the British press…I said I don’t trust our press…with good reason

When my son was on a sub he had the same job as Jonesy in Hunt for Red Oct…My son was instructed to listen to the BBC …not our news…that in itself says a great deal about who do you trust
 
I didn’t say I didn’t trust the British press…I said I don’t trust our press…with good reason

When my son was on a sub he had the same job as Jonesy in Hunt for Red Oct…My son was instructed to listen to the BBC …not our news…that in itself says a great deal about who do you trust
Do some research on the current state of American prisons and let us know about the horror stories that you will inevitably find.
 
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