Latin Mass/Novus Ordo

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With due respect Dumspirospero, I think you may have been somewhat gullible to swallow a heretical website’s posting of these pictures without knowing whether they are true, or what the circumstances were behind it.

The picture with the scissors is obviously altered. Take a look at the gentleman holding the woman compared with the clarity of the rest of the picture. I have used editing software for photos and this is obviously a fake. Also look at the pic with Clinton … particularly his mouth showing signs of alteration. It is relatively easy to do a cut and paste with this software.

The picture of everyone praying with the handicapped person is not a mass, but a prayer service, perhaps a charismatic one where prayer is being offered for the sufferer with outstretched hands.

The picture of the hamster is no doubt a blessing for St. Francis’s feast day where typically children bring their pets. There is no proof a mass is taking place. I personally applaud the practice of blessing pets, but not in the sanctuary.

The halloween mass is not a Sunday liturgy, but most likely one with children. Odd, isn’t it … that someone just “happened” to be present and “happened” to have a camera to present it for all the world to gasp in horror at the sacrilege. I personally would not be in favor of it, either, but it is not the normal Sunday liturgy taking place in every parish … it is ONE isolated incident. I do recognize that these abuses have occurred and stated it many times already. Need I repeat it again?

How does this atypical stuff — IF true — represent the majority of Catholic parishes? Your argument is a red herring. If you truly loved the Church universal, you would not be posting these pictures. If you were truly “sick” as you say, you would never reveal them publicly. I know I wouldn’t even think of it!

This grandoise display to prove your point has done very little to convince me that the TLM is eminently superior, and the N.O. is abhorent.
 
If you truly loved the Church universal, you would not be posting these pictures. If you were truly “sick” as you say, you would never reveal them publicly. I know I wouldn’t even think of it!
WHAT:eek: ? Now you are implying how much someone loves Christ and his Church or does not love them?
Was this not the same behaviour you condemned another poster for???
 
as long as their is no nose picking and hand holding afterwards I am ok with that;) 😃
Why do you keep bringing up the nose picking? It’s rude and not really funny. You are making fun of one poster who said she had a habit of this as a child and you have continued to use it as a butt of your jokes. I really feel it’s distastful.
 
wow, I don’t even know what to say to this. We do this in our parish durning the Our Father. How hurtful. I’m sorry you don’t see how this would be.
How is what she stated hurtful? These are** her personal feelings** on this (hand holding)
I am sorry I am not in church or at Mass to hold hands with my neighbor (especially during cold and flu season and gosh they could be nose pickers too:eek: )…but if you want to do this by all means…just dont force us that dont to do it:thumbsup:
 
Why do you keep bringing up the nose picking? It’s rude and not really funny. You are making fun of one poster who said she had a habit of this as a child and you have continued to use it as a butt of your jokes. I really feel it’s distastful.
if the poster did not want it mentioned further they should never of mentioned it in the first place!
based on a study that was done…
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91% stated that they had picked their nose in the past and were still actively practicing this habit

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February of 1995 in the Journal of Psychiatry**.**
as a side note…I mention nose picking with hand holding as they are both very unsanitary (really not enough handwashing going on in general)…😉 especially during this time of year with colds other illnesses floating around!
 
How is what she stated hurtful? These are** her personal feelings** on this (hand holding)
I am sorry I am not in church or at Mass to hold hands with my neighbor (especially during cold and flu season and gosh they could be nose pickers too:eek: )…but if you want to do this by all means…just dont force us that dont to do it:thumbsup:
Oh I see so personal feelings voiced are ok? Then me calling her backwards because she doesn’t want altar girls on another thread should have been ok? She shouldn’t have been bothered by this. So I didn’t need to apologize? Interesting.
 
Oh I see so personal feelings voiced are ok? Then me calling her backwards because she doesn’t want altar girls on another thread should have been ok? She shouldn’t have been bothered by this. So I didn’t need to apologize? Interesting.
Hmmm…you insulting her by calling her backwards is one thing…not nice by the way.
She did not state anything personal about** you** in that post of hand holding folks did she? She stated how she felt about hand holding…not how she gelt about anamchara…but if you wish to sling personal insults at folks go right ahead…it is a sure way to get a Mod on your case;)
 

How about—because ----Latin truely says Catholic.
I don’t believe that’s true. Certainly, Latin is the official language of the Catholic Church, certainly, it’s important in our scholarship and in our history. But “Latin truly says Catholic?” No, I don’t think so. There are other Churches that are Catholic outside the Latin Rite. And the Church’s primary function is the salvation of souls…not the preservation of Latin. Can souls be saved by a greater or more expanded use of Latin? I very seriously doubt it.
 
Why do you keep bringing up the nose picking? It’s rude and not really funny. You are making fun of one poster who said she had a habit of this as a child and you have continued to use it as a butt of your jokes. I really feel it’s distastful.
simple, when a position starts waning in a discussion (arguement), NO and TLM in this case, and one can’t stick to why their position is either correct or superior, (in this case) and due to forum rules cannot swear, it is easier to attack by bringing up irrelevant snippets of text to be used in place of the swearing. Fortunately for Joysong, she is not taking the bait, therefore frustrating the other party. The NO folks are not going to the extreme as those on this board who believe the TLM is the end all and be all. Joysong never said NO was better, superior, or the only way to go.

My Baptist grandmother always said, A soft answer turns away wrath. And in all discussions, be a “lady”. Joysong has done that—to teach as Jesus did. 🙂
 
Hmmm…you insulting her by calling her backwards is one thing…not nice by the way.
She did not state anything personal about** you** in that post of hand holding folks did she? She stated how she felt about hand holding…not how she gelt about anamchara…but if you wish to sling personal insults at folks go right ahead…it is a sure way to get a Mod on your case;)
Never called her backward, said the practice was and I have apologized. You never stated anything personal about me?? LOL! ok now that IS funny and this is the world that you live in as well I guess? I stated how I felt about using altar boys, same thing. Nice try Karin, no cigar.

Call a modertor my dear I would love for them to read through this thread.
 
With due respect Dumspirospero, I think you may have been somewhat gullible to swallow a heretical website’s posting of these pictures without knowing whether they are true, or what the circumstances were behind it.

The picture with the scissors is obviously altered. Take a look at the gentleman holding the woman compared with the clarity of the rest of the picture. I have used editing software for photos and this is obviously a fake. Also look at the pic with Clinton … particularly his mouth showing signs of alteration. It is relatively easy to do a cut and paste with this software.

The picture of everyone praying with the handicapped person is not a mass, but a prayer service, perhaps a charismatic one where prayer is being offered for the sufferer with outstretched hands.

The picture of the hamster is no doubt a blessing for St. Francis’s feast day where typically children bring their pets. There is no proof a mass is taking place. I personally applaud the practice of blessing pets, but not in the sanctuary.

The halloween mass is not a Sunday liturgy, but most likely one with children. Odd, isn’t it … that someone just “happened” to be present and “happened” to have a camera to present it for all the world to gasp in horror at the sacrilege. I personally would not be in favor of it, either, but it is not the normal Sunday liturgy taking place in every parish … it is ONE isolated incident. I do recognize that these abuses have occurred and stated it many times already. Need I repeat it again?

How does this atypical stuff — IF true — represent the majority of Catholic parishes? Your argument is a red herring. If you truly loved the Church universal, you would not be posting these pictures. If you were truly “sick” as you say, you would never reveal them publicly. I know I wouldn’t even think of it!

This grandoise display to prove your point has done very little to convince me that the TLM is eminently superior, and the N.O. is abhorent.
The fact is that Clinton, a Southern Baptist and thus at least materially a heretic, DID rec. Communion in a Catholic Mass (inappropriately). There were other pictures of it at the time that it occured, so it isn’t simply the radical traditionalist sites (though I abhor the way they mock the Church and I belive they DO play fast and loose with the truth). Queen Juliana of the Netherlands (Dutch Reformed, a Calvinist ecclesial body) also got up once and received Communion at a Catholic Mass, again, inappropriately. It happens.

The point is, none of these things, which can range from overt abuses to simple mistakes, are inherent in the Novus Ordo Missae itself. They are merely abuses of it, not character traits inherent in it.
 
Karin,

You misread my post.
If you were truly “sick” as you say, you would never reveal them publicly Them refers to the pictures, not a person.
 
Never called her backward, said the practice was and I have apologized.
well from your post it read that oyu called her backwards…

Then me calling her backwards because she doesn’t want altar girls on another thread should have been ok?”
You never stated anything personal about me?? LOL! ok now that IS funny and this is the world that you live in as well I guess? I stated how I felt about using altar boys, same thing. Nice try Karin, no cigar.
What are you talking about…you have totally lost me to be honest.
Call a modertor my dear I would love for them to read through this thread.
not my place your not insulting me but another poster…
 
The NO folks are not going to the extreme as those on this board who believe the TLM is the end all and be all. Joysong never said NO was better, superior, or the only way to go.
This makes me laugh so hard.
I’m ONE of them NO people. I don’t attend a TLM.

As I remember, Karin is as well. I know Kirk is.

We “so called” TLM people attend an NO mass!!!
 
Karin,

You misread my post.
If you were truly “sick” as you say, you would never reveal them publicly Them refers to the pictures, not a person.

Dirt that gets swept under the rug–is still dirt. Hiding the abuses that happen will not make them go away–quite the opposite—they multiply.
 
simple, when a position starts waning in a discussion (arguement), NO and TLM in this case, and one can’t stick to why their position is either correct or superior, (in this case) and due to forum rules cannot swear, it is easier to attack by bringing up irrelevant snippets of text to be used in place of the swearing. Fortunately for Joysong, she is not taking the bait, therefore frustrating the other party. The NO folks are not going to the extreme as those on this board who believe the TLM is the end all and be all. Joysong never said NO was better, superior, or the only way to go.

My Baptist grandmother always said, A soft answer turns away wrath. And in all discussions, be a “lady”. Joysong has done that—to teach as Jesus did. 🙂
oh the rest of the posse is here…welcome back:)
it is so nice to see that you can now read minds…what a wonderful talent to have acquired… I brought up the rhinotillexomanian not to bait a certain poster or becuase I wanted to cuss:rolleyes: but to make a point to a fellow poster…she got it by the way…😉 anyway thank you for replying to a post that asked me a direct question…as usual you where a bit off in left field with your reply
 

Dirt that gets swept under the rug–is still dirt. Hiding the abuses that happen will not make them go away–quite the opposite—they multiply.
Very, very true. It is, however, equally scandalous to present ABUSES of the NO Mass as TRAITS of the NO Mass. That happens a lot around here, regrettably.
 
Karin,

You misread my post.
If you were truly “sick” as you say, you would never reveal them publicly Them refers to the pictures, not a person.
nope I read your post just fine…If you truly loved the Church universal, you would not be posting these pictures
you refers to the person
 
JKirk:
The point is, none of these things, which can range from overt abuses to simple mistakes, are inherent in the Novus Ordo Missae itself. They are merely abuses of it, not character traits inherent in it
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I agree Kirk,
… and thanks for letting me know about Clinton. I take these pics as propaganda and innuendo until truth proves otherwise.

Your posts are always a welcome read.
 
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