Latin Mass Society asks bishops to embrace traditionalists as ‘spiritual children’

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Almost every Mass I have assisted at has been an English OF Mass. I’m a post-Vatican-II baby, so I was never exposed to anything else.

I have been to reverent OF Masses. And I have been to some which seemed to be…well…not so much. (It depends a lot on the pastor.)

BUT: My own experience is that the frequency of the former is higher than the latter. YMMV.

As I said above, almost every Mass.

I have also assisted at a number of Latin OF Masses offered by the Oratorians of St Philip Neri. Reverence with a capital ℟. 😃

Me, personally, I would like to see more EF Masses offered. I would also like to see more Latin OF Masses offered.

But that’s just me.
 
jeannetherese said:
Greetings Sirach2.🙂
I wonder if there might be a misinterpretation of GP’s post?
I read it as suggesting that The EF tends to focus especially upon the sacrificial nature of the Mass. Such a suggestion could allow for both the EF and the OF to have and equal sacrificial nature but, perhaps, a different degree of emphasis upon sacrifice.

One of my OF priests uses slightly different language to discuss shifts in focus; he speaks of horizontal and vertical emphases.

May God bless all who visit this thread.
Amen.
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SWolf said:
Thanks! You said it much better than I could have.
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And me! 👍
 
gracepoole said:
That’s an interesting summary of what I said but it’s a false one.
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Well, this is what you posted;
They believe the EF emphasizes the sacrificial nature of the Mass more than the OF does and they prefer that approach to the Mass.
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This is what I responded to in pointing out that such a belief is in error.

The EF doesn’t focus more on the sacrificial aspect of the Mass than the NO.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Well, this is what you posted;

This is what I responded to in pointing out that such a belief is in error.

The EF doesn’t focus more on the sacrificial aspect of the Mass than the NO.

Jim
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I think I already responded to this concern.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
The EF doesn’t focus more on the sacrificial aspect of the Mass than the NO.

Jim
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This is especially true of those familiar with Ignatian (and other) contemplation and the place of scripture and the Gospels in participating in the passion, death and resurrection of Christ. By virtue of that approach the ‘sacrificial aspect’ of the Mass is meaningful in a new way through the Liturgy of the Word.
 
gracepoole said:
And I clarified my point here.
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As Jim pointed out, your words left little room for diversity of opinion, such as you later clarified. One can only read what one sees, not what one thinks you might have meant. In very truth, though you may not have read some of these threads, this is exactly the elitism penned by EF devotees, and they left no little room for the imagination. It is easy to connect your comment with theirs.
Grace's words:
They believe the EF emphasizes the sacrificial nature of the Mass more than the OF does and they prefer that approach to the Mass.
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If need be, I can pull some posts for an example, where it was stated clearly that the EF does a superior job in emphacizing the sacrificial nature, whereas the OF barely mentions it. I personally responded to some of these using the very words of the liturgy to disprove their nostalgia.
 
LongingSoul said:
This is especially true of those familiar with Ignatian (and other) contemplation and the place of scripture and the Gospels in participating in the passion, death and resurrection of Christ. By virtue of that approach the ‘sacrificial aspect’ of the Mass is meaningful in a new way through the Liturgy of the Word.
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Well, if you’re going to use that argument, I’m sure you’ll find a lot of disagreements with the Protestants who use similar readings and a similar liturgy. I know this because I attended a memorial for my niece at a Lutheran Church.
 
ProVobis said:
Okay, but know I didn’t make this up.

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npr.org/2014/10/09/352816659/mass-mobs-aim-to-keep-pews-full-at-old-churches

time.com/money/3485014/flash-mob-mass-mob-church/

huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/detroit-mass-mob_n_5967678.html
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It seems to me that you are trying to create a false quandary. Either attend a TLM mass or attend a clown/polka mass. What I am trying to say that the NO mass many, many, times do not include polka or clowns.
 
Sarcelle said:
It seems to me that you are trying to create a false quandary. Either attend a TLM mass or attend a clown/polka mass. What I am trying to say that the NO mass many, many, times do not include polka or clowns.
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Agreed.
The Huffington Post is a gossip rag. I wouldn’t quote them for any reason anywhere. Certainly not on matters of faith. :rolleyes:
 
Sarcelle said:
It seems to me that you are trying to create a false quandary. Either attend a TLM mass or attend a clown/polka mass. What I am trying to say that the NO mass many, many, times do not include polka or clowns.
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Not trying to create a more false quandary than the poster whom I was responding to. My territorial parish had the Polka Mass advertized all over the place several weeks ago. Apparently in an attempt to attract those attached to the Polish mission church on the other side of town. Another one has an annual German Fest to attract crowds. Sorry, but I can’t pretend these things don’t happen. Many, many times they don’t happen, but that’s only because they would probably lose their effectiveness if they were done every day.
 
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