Lawyer set to challenge Vatican status

[JCPhoenix]

stanley123:

The scandals are in the news. For example, in todays news:
clarin.com/diario/2005/08/20/sociedad/s-05801.htm
If these stories are not true, then why is this bishop resigning?
"Un nuevo escándalo sexual salpica a la Iglesia. A menos de tres años de que el arzobispo de Santa Fe, monseñor Edgardo Storni, renunciara ante las acusaciones de haber acosado sexualmente a un seminarista, el obispo de Santiago del Estero, monseñor Juan Carlos Maccarone, dimitió luego de haber admitido ante sus superiores una relación homosexual con un joven mayor de edad."

So…are you banking that most people don’t speak Spanish? You’re probably right, but here is my very very very very imperfect translation.

The archbishop of 3 years, Monsenior Edward Stormi, resigned due to accusations that he had sexually abused a seminarian…something about bishop of Santiago del Estero, Monsenior Juan Carlos Maccarone, (dimitio) (3rd person verb, dimitir?) had revealed to his superiors a homosexual relationship with a youth of adult? age.

I really, really, wish I had my dictionary so I could translate this. But with dialup, even with the information available via the internet, it would take me far far longer, so I’ll leave it at that.

My Spanish/English dictionary is at work, where I use it the most. Sorry!

 

[pnewton]

Adonis33:

I do not know who the Mr. Shea is - but I believe this is nothing more than a way for him to get a little free publicity. This will go nowhere. His 15 minutes will be up soon.

Maybe so, but I won’t forget. I will remember just in case he ever tries to use publicity to run for office.

I look for the state department to weigh in soon. It is a rather clear-cut case. The US has more diplomats and officials than the Vatican. If we set a precedent to help one greedy lawyer we open the way for our own decision to be used against our own diplomats and officials.

 

[stanley123]

JCPhoenix:

here is my very very very very imperfect translation.

The archbishop of 3 years, Monsenior Edward Stormi, resigned due to accusations that he had sexually abused a seminarian…something about bishop of Santiago del Estero, Monsenior Juan Carlos Maccarone, (dimitio) (3rd person verb, dimitir?) had revealed to his superiors a homosexual relationship with a youth of adult? age.

Here is my translation of the excerpt.
A new sex scandal hits the Church. Less than three years after the archbishop of Santa Fe, monsignor Edgardo Storni resigned because of the accusations of having sexually harassed a seminarian, the bishop of Santiago del Estero, monsignor Juan Carlos Maccarone resigned after having admitted before his superior, a homosexual relationship with a young boy of legal age.
clarin.com/diario/2005/08/20/sociedad/s-05801.htm

 

[mosher]

This lawyer has sure puched his hell card. ‘click click’

 

[mhansen]

flamingsword:

The devil will stop at nothing to undermine the Church. All the more reason to pray for Mary’s intercession.

You’re right. He even went so far as to infest it with child-molesting priests and those who would cover up and condone such grievous actions.

 

[Elzee]

cainem:

how low will some of your country men stoop for a dollar? this makes you look terrible in the international community, if he wins his bid to sue the pope and challenge the vatican status then you will be the most reviled nation on earth, i sometimes wonder with these massive lawsuits that your god is not the dollar

I’m ashamed to admit it, but unfortunately, I think some people can even sink lower than this…I don’t think we’ve reached bottom yet in this country when it comes to the disdain some people have for the Catholic Church and even Christians in general. Maybe, as someone said in a later post, this will cause even more people to hate America, but stand up for the Pope and the Church…maybe it’s part of the divine plan to wake America and Europe up, but in opposite ways. Keep our country in your prayers. .

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

stanley123:

Here is my translation of the excerpt.
A new sex scandal hits the Church. Less than three years after the archbishop of Santa Fe, monsignor Edgardo Storni resigned because of the accusations of having sexually harassed a seminarian, the bishop of Santiago del Estero, monsignor Juan Carlos Maccarone resigned after having admitted before his superior, a homosexual relationship with a young boy of legal age.
clarin.com/diario/2005/08/20/sociedad/s-05801.htm

This is a Red Herring.

It has nothing to do with this topic.

It has nothing to do with Rose’s book.

It is just more of your mud slinging against the Church.

Again I ask you why you find it so strange that the Church is made up of sinful men just as we are all sinful.

 

[Kielbasi]

ROME – The lawyer who is suing Pope Benedict XVI in Texas for allegedly covering up the sexual abuse of children by a seminarian said Wednesday he would challenge the U.S. diplomatic recognition of the Vatican if the pope is given immunity in the case.

The pope’s lawyers have already asked President Bush to certify Benedict’s immunity from liability in the civil lawsuit since he is a head of state - the Vatican city-state.

I think this all depends on the evidence that the lawyer in question has.

If there is a substantial reason to think that Benedict XVI is personally knowledgable about the alleged molestations in question, the State Department will ask him to voluntarily consent to testify and be deposed. I think the Vatican would agree to that, the vast majority of Americans don’t think that the Vatican should have this kind of immunity for this kind of case at all.

 

[jdnation]

Kielbasi:

I think this all depends on the evidence that the lawyer in question has.

If there is a substantial reason to think that Benedict XVI is personally knowledgable about the alleged molestations in question, the State Department will ask him to voluntarily consent to testify and be deposed. I think the Vatican would agree to that, the vast majority of Americans don’t think that the Vatican should have this kind of immunity for this kind of case at all.

I think everyone’s more confused over a letter Benedict wrote reinstating that members of teh Church should continue to follow and uphold Church law and procedures, and that procedure was concerned with Secrecy and the privacy of victims who would have trials within the Church over matters as the Sex Abuse.

Many thoguht this is the Church trying to keep a lid on things, and claimed this was some big secret let out for teh purpose of the Church protecting themselves. However the funny thing is that the so called procedure that Ratzinger’s letter referred to wasn’t concerned with only sex abuse, but all crimes whether civil or religious abuse issues. And the code wasn’t secret but available on the Vatican’s website for a long time before the scandal, and the revisions made to it to increase the amount of time for a person to come forward to prosecute the Church were made to make it easier for people to bring crimes against the church unlike the civil procedures which have to wrrestle with similar problems.

All in all, it’s a misunderstanding distorted by the media who’re all in ‘Da Vinci Code’ mode right now.

 

[stanley123]

ByzCath:
It has nothing to do with Rose’s book.

Rose’s book concerned problems in seminaries. This news article mentions this also.

It is true that one can choose to ignore these scandals. But would that be fair to the children involved? My personal opinion is that it is important not to ignore the harm done to the children. I base my opinion on the Bible:
Mark 9:42
Luke 17:2.

ByzCath:

It is just more of your mud slinging…

I am sorry to read that you think that following the Bible is similar to slinging mud.

 

[FrCorey]

Wish them luck,
the vatican is it’s own country with it’s own laws. and they put god’s laws first.

 

[pnewton]

stanley123:

My personal opinion is that it is important not to ignore the harm done to the children.

And yet earlier you said

stanley123:
a homosexual relationship with a young boy of legal age.
While a scandal is a scandal I am confused about the contradiction. Are we talking about a child, and adolescent or young adult? Surely you are not exaggerating the situation by using the word “children.”

In any case, how was our Holy Father involved in this case, since that is this thread?

 

[mhansen]

FrCorey:

Wish them luck,
the vatican is it’s own country with it’s own laws. and they put god’s laws first.

You’re kidding, right? Child molestation and cover-ups of the same are written into the Law of God? Did I miss something?

 

[Digitonomy]

Brad:

Just another reason why Catholics need to stand up against judicial tyranny, the ACLU…

Your logic escapes me here. You consider the judge tyrannical even though he hasn’t ruled yet? And if you want to stand up against the ACLU, be my guest, but I hope you’ll find a better reason than this case, with which they’re not involved.

 

[FrCorey]

mhansen:

You’re kidding, right? Child molestation and cover-ups of the same are written into the Law of God? Did I miss something?

no, but church law says to forgive no matter what. I know it’s hard, but would jesus call the cops first, then counsel them? now, a repeat offender don’t really repent in thier heart and should be turned over then.

 

[pnewton]

mhansen:

You’re kidding, right? Child molestation and cover-ups of the same are written into the Law of God? Did I miss something?

So once again we see more people buy into lies and inuendo. Let us look at the first accusation: Child moestation. Are you suggesting that child molestation is occuring at the Vatican and that the Pope is involved, because that is the implication.

Second accusation: cover-ups of the same. Does anyone really think that the current pontiff has personal, direct knowledge to cover up any specific incident occurring a continent away?

I can not see any way he could have broken any laws so why waste time even answering this publicity-seeking attorney.

 

[mhansen]

FrCorey:

no, but church law says to forgive no matter what. I know it’s hard, but would jesus call the cops first, then counsel them? now, a repeat offender don’t really repent in thier heart and should be turned over then.

Remember, Jesus Himself submitted to the authorities, even unto death on the Cross.

My question is, without the testimony of the man who headed the investigation into the sex abuse scandal (then-Cardinal Ratzinger), just how do we know who all the repeat offenders are? I’ve already made my points on a few other threads that are no longer with us (may they Rest In Peace), so I don’t really feel like going into this again, but how will we know unless we get the “inside scoop?”

 

[mhansen]

pnewton:

So once again we see more people buy into lies and inuendo. Let us look at the first accusation: Child moestation. Are you suggesting that child molestation is occuring at the Vatican and that the Pope is involved, because that is the implication.

Second accusation: cover-ups of the same. Does anyone really think that the current pontiff has personal, direct knowledge to cover up any specific incident occurring a continent away?

I can not see any way he could have broken any laws so why waste time even answering this publicity-seeking attorney.

No to the first question.

To the second, he headed the investigation. It was part of his job at the time. If anyone knows, he would.

Mike

 

[Joseph_Bilodeau]

cainem:

how low will some of your country men stoop for a dollar? this makes you look terrible in the international community, if he wins his bid to sue the pope and challenge the vatican status then you will be the most reviled nation on earth, i sometimes wonder with these massive lawsuits that your god is not the dollar

Whoa!

If you want to address the specific case, that’s one thing. But if you’re going to generalize about our whole Nation based on this… person, then I am sure one can find one or more stellar examples among your own countrymen from which to draw analogous conclusions about your entire Nation.

Should we do this? </rhetorical question>

 

[Brad]

Digitonomy:

Your logic escapes me here. You consider the judge tyrannical even though he hasn’t ruled yet? And if you want to stand up against the ACLU, be my guest, but I hope you’ll find a better reason than this case, with which they’re not involved.

As has been my contention for quite some time, the legal system in this country is broken. This particular lawyer, the ACLU, and many of those that hold federal judicial seats are big parts of a very large problem. I am not saying they are all connected in this case. I am saying that the current prevailing legal mindset is common to all 3 situations.

As Catholics, we are to stand up against injustice and stand for justice. Most of today’s Catholics in America look for reasons not to get involved in situations of injustice. I suggest they get involved before it is too late.