Lawyer set to challenge Vatican status

[Brad]

ByzCath:

This priest, who was a seminarian at one of the seminaries that Rose talks about says that nothing covered in the book happened.

Do you have any evidence to prove what is in the book?

Someone who is asked to leave the seminary may be someone who the seminary and bishop have decided are not right for the priesthood.

I would also say that when you only take reports from possibly disgruntled individuals with an axe to grind you may not get the truth but then when the reports are very sensational, as these are, more people are apt to believe them. Heck we all know that most priests and bishops are gay don’t we. At least that seems to be the view of many people out there today.

(of topic) Which is why many men are not answering the call today. (back to the topic)

Rose has put forth evidence. You have yet to refute anything specifically. Saying nothing Rose said happened to one particular seminarian during one particular time frame is not refuting specific evidence of unethical and immoral behavior that did occur.

I know current and active priests that have faced discrimination based on their orthodoxy and have had to deal with homosexual behavior in the seminary. I also know of a current priest that did the discrimating.

There is indeed a large problem with homosexuals and homosexual behavior in the priesthood. I know this to be fact. What I know lines up all too tragically with what Rose has described.

Where there are orthodox seminaries that strive to live moral lives in an effort to sanctify, the numbers are increasing. Where the liberal dissent and moral debauchery occurs, the numbers, shall we say - stink.

 

[Servus_Pio_XII]

Originally Posted by cainem
how low will some of your country men stoop for a dollar? this makes you look terrible in the international community, if he wins his bid to sue the pope and challenge the vatican status then you will be the most reviled nation on earth, i sometimes wonder with these massive lawsuits that your god is not the dollar

The chap is right. This country serves money, not God. John Paul was right to warn about the dangers capitalism could have. It pays to listen to the Pope.

 

[wabrams]

The only way they can sue the Pope is if they can prove that the letter was the reason the priest in question was not caught by the police and went on the lam.

 

[mhansen]

Servus Pio XII:

The chap is right. This country serves money, not God. John Paul was right to warn about the dangers capitalism could have. It pays to listen to the Pope.

Any system (capitalism, socialism, communism, whatever) is only as good as the individuals that make it up.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Brad:

Rose has put forth evidence. You have yet to refute anything specifically. Saying nothing Rose said happened to one particular seminarian during one particular time frame is not refuting specific evidence of unethical and immoral behavior that did occur.

Well first off, Rose’s book has nothing to do with this topic nor the Holy Father.

As for his “evidence”. I have not see it. I have seen the accusations made in this book but have not see any “evidence” in it. Evidence is a strong word that has a legal definition that can only be determined in a court of law.

Anyways, the book was published in 2002 and the would say the majority of stories in it are at least a couple of years old when it was published. So there is no way we can take this anecdotal information one a few seminaries and say that this is 1) occuring today and 2) that it is like this in all the seminaries.

 

[the_nuge]

cainem:

…then you will be the most reviled nation on earth…

Still, it’s nice to know we aren’t yet!

 

[ComradeAndrei]

If there is a substantial reason to think that Benedict XVI is personally knowledgable about the alleged molestations in question, the State Department will ask him to voluntarily consent to testify and be deposed.

I’d like to see them try, not really, but the point is it would be futile to make such an assine and rediculous request. Besides, who would dare to get the Pope deposed?

I think the Vatican would agree to that, the vast majority of Americans don’t think that the Vatican should have this kind of immunity for this kind of case at all.

The majority of Americans don’t know a whole lot of anything.

Catholics should be standing behind their Pope, not trying to reach for any pathetic attept to defame him as an excuse to heap more abuse upon him. The Pontiff and the Holy See know how to deal with things much better than a bunch of hindsight armchair ethicists on a computer forum. A great man like Pope Benedict XVI does not approve or sanction child molestation at all and it is insulting to insinuate that he is to blame.