Lawyers and soldiers

[Madaglan]

Originally Posted by JimG:

For a more complete discussion of the reasons and methodologies of the Vietnam War, you might want to read this book. Historically, it’s probably too soon for a similar book on Iraq.

Thanks for the book suggestion. I put it on my amazon wishlist. I might not get to the book for a while though, as I’m reading a book on the Balkan wars now and begin a new job soon.

 

[jedimasterham]

What country do you live in? Do you enjoy freedoms there? Who do you think protects those freedoms??? I spent 8 yrs active duty defending America’s freedoms… I really resent people like you not appreciating that if we had no military, you would have no rights. Do you think it is our charm or our pretty faces that keeps people from invading our country? Do you think it is the negotiations of politicians??? I can tell you right now…it is fear that keeps people from invading. Fear that our military would retaliate.

I live in the US, and the soldiers do not protect my freedom, I do that well enough. You might have been brain washed into believing you were defending the US, but unless you're a cop, I don't see how you did.. I don't appreciate the military invading a country like Iraq, when they supported the USA until we decided to bomb and invade their country.

  Look at all the civilian deaths over there, 68,747 - 75,194 civilians dead. I don't call that protecting, Don't forget money being spent on this ridiculous war, 12 billion a month, while out national debt is up to 8.8 trillion dollars now... I don't support our troops one bit, I hate how the US uses fear tactics to intimidate other countries and our own citizens.

 

[marci]

I live in the US, and the soldiers do not protect my freedom, I do that well enough. You might have been brain washed into believing you were defending the US, but unless you’re a cop, I don’t see how you did… I don’t appreciate the military invading a country like Iraq, when they supported the USA until we decided to bomb and invade their country.

Whether you think we should be in Irac or not is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but if you don’t believe the freedoms you enjoy today didn’t come from soldiers you are very wrong indeed.

Every fighter for freedom in our great history secured these freedoms you now hold dear. From the pioneer frontiersman fighting against the British Crown, to the present day marine in afganestan. Everything we have today is because of brave men and woman who were willing to fight and die for our liberty.

 

[Liberanosamalo]

Coming from a family that spent generations in the military, and some currently over there now, I will refrain from giving my opinion on the brave people who are protecting our right to practice our faith freely as Catholics and live in a democracy. America was never attacked when people thought our nation was strong.

Study the history of the international spread of communism and the Cold War and Nazism and Fascism. Go online and read the promises of the Islamicists to first “take care of the Star of David, then the Cross.”

The cops weren’t able to save hardly anyone in NYC or the Pentagon on 9-11. So don’t put all your trust in them.

As for lawyers, yes, it’s a dirty job. But someone has to make sure even child molesters and rapists get a fair trial. That’s what keeps our nation from being the kind of place where all someone has to do is make an accusation and the lynch mob rounds the person up and hangs them before the sun goes down.

That being said, if I was a lawyer and I knew the guy did it, I wouldn’t do everything in my power to help him get back out on the street again. That’s why I did not become a lawyer.

But for our judicial system to mean anything, everyone should have equal justice before the law. If you doubt this, ask the people who were falsely accused.

 

[jedimasterham]

Whether you think we should be in Irac or not is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but if you don’t believe the freedoms you enjoy today didn’t come from soldiers you are very wrong indeed.

 

[Ramalama]

ramamala, what is a just war?

I’m sorry, Lavazza. I was trying to help, you want to argue. You’re Catholic, I’m not yet. I knew to go look this up in the Catechism. Maybe you should check it out. There’s lots of good stuff there.

 

[marci]

You can’t tell me that these past 2 centuries of American history have been for liberty, because it clearly shows the opposite. Although race and sex has balanced itself out in much of the world, religious and power and commodity wars still prevail… The middle east is the source of power, so why do you think the US is there now planning to invade this country and that? Think a bit.

 

[Liberanosamalo]

Although race and sex has balanced itself out in much of the world, religious and power and commodity wars still prevail…

Really? What world is that? The majority of the world’s population still lives under hideous racial and gender imbalances.

 

[jedimasterham]

We are in agreement about our current situation. With the benefit of hindsight, I do not agree with the administration (probably not for the same reasons you don’t), but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t support the troops that are there fighting for what they believe is the safety and very survival of we at home.

 

[lavazza]

i was a objector to my military service, on just those grounds. thou shall not kill. i can see of no reason where god can agree to the killing of his children, by his other children. if he did, what type of father would he be?.

 

[rwoehmke]

I live in the US, and the soldiers do not protect my freedom, I do that well enough. You might have been brain washed into believing you were defending the US, but unless you’re a cop, I don’t see how you did… I don’t appreciate the military invading a country like Iraq, when they supported the USA until we decided to bomb and invade their country.
Look at all the civilian deaths over there, 68,747 - 75,194 civilians dead. I don’t call that protecting, Don’t forget money being spent on this ridiculous war, 12 billion a month, while out national debt is up to 8.8 trillion dollars now… I don’t support our troops one bit, I hate how the US uses fear tactics to intimidate other countries and our own citizens.

Some people are crosses to be borne until they get dry behind the ears. Every so often we are bombarded by the bird droppings of a pseudointellectual. Peace be with you sonny.

 

[Wolseley]

how can a catholic in good standing with the church. justify killing people by being in the armed forces, and lawyeers who try to keep killers from justice? it seems to me, it goes against our commandments.

I was in the military for eight years, and was a police officer for 19 more.

I guess I’m doomed.

 

[Reepicheep]

so when the lawyer goes to jesus and says i had to defend a child rapist of female rapist of killer, because of his rights, when they are quilty. jesus will say cool. no problem?

The only way to be sure that* innocent* people get a proper defence, is to make sure that all accused people have a proper defence.

 

[Reepicheep]

so we can pick and choose when we want to follow the commandments? thou shall not kill.

[sigh] I keep seeing this mistake. The actual meaning of the commandment is, “Thou shalt not murder”.

 

[jedimasterham]

Some people are crosses to be borne until they get dry behind the ears. Every so often we are bombarded by the bird droppings of a pseudointellectual. Peace be with you sonny.

I hope you’re not calling my a pseudointellectual? Have you checked the facts at all?

 

[Liberanosamalo]

I would like our troops to be happy, but I don’t think it’s so much what they believe in. Considering the fact that recruiters go to places like high school and places of poverty, most of the recruits probably have little knowledge/edtucation in the first place.

Like 70% of whom I’ve talked to who joined the military hadn’t even graduated high school but got their GED… 100% of who I talked to hadn’t been to college, until maybe after. So how would they know what to believe in yet if they lack the understanding of whats happening and why… Remember, media doesn’t tell the truth, just perspectives and opinions.

It is a fact that most people join up because they need dollars, and they rarely know what is actually happening in the first place…

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Hey, jedihamster, just to clarify… I come from a whole family of brothers, fathers and in-laws with college degrees and some with double masters who would disagree at how uneducated you find the military. Matter of fact, if you looked it up online, you’d find that even the enlisted of our armed forces are more likely than the civilian population not only to have high school diplomas, but also some college education as well.

Not everyone joins because they need dollars. Some see their country as worthy of defense and believe that just as the church was built on the blood of martyrs, that service to country and self sacrifice builds the kind of country worth living in.

I’ll bow out of this debate now that you’ve insulted the kind of people who put their lives on the line to protect your right to insult them. And if you doubt that your safety is actually on the line, I can give you some phone numbers of people who have actually looked into the hate-filled eyes of the guys who are shooting back at us. And remember always: They fired the first shot. And they will not stop until they’ve fired the last shot as well.

 

[jedimasterham]

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Hey, jedihamster, just to clarify… I come from a whole family of brothers, fathers and in-laws with college degrees and some with double masters who would disagree at how uneducated you find the military. Matter of fact, if you looked it up online, you’d find that even the enlisted of our armed forces are more likely than the civilian population not only to have high school diplomas, but also some college education as well.

Not everyone joins because they need dollars. Some see their country as worthy of defense and believe that just as the church was built on the blood of martyrs, that service to country and self sacrifice builds the kind of country worth living in.

I’ll bow out of this debate now that you’ve insulted the kind of people who put their lives on the line to protect your right to insult them. And if you doubt that your safety is actually on the line, I can give you some phone numbers of people who have actually looked into the hate-filled eyes of the guys who are shooting back at us. And remember always: They fired the first shot. And they will not stop until they’ve fired the last shot as well.

Obviously the “armed forces are more likely than the civilian population not only to have high school diplomas, but also some college education as well.” The civilian poplulation is way higher than the military population, so of course more civilians have less education in that perspective.

I also grew up in a military family, who had all finished school at Annapolis, West point, etc… admirals and generals for generations… So I know what the military family is like. They were proud to serve the people who asked for help.and they never had the American patriotism that people flaunt today. That was back when the flag represented a country which serves the world. So, I grew up with a universal perspective, not just our little USA. The world, that’s what we need to serve right now.

Personally, if a soldier dies in Iraq, I won’t be sad, that person helped invade a country that didn’t ask to be invaded and that didn’t threaten us. I’d wish the person would still be alive, but it was that persons choice to join up and go. If he didn’t support it, then he should’ve protested.

Think about this though, if you were being invaded and your family and friends got killed, wouldn’t you fire first to stop them? This is the same as the guys with hate-filled eyes in Iraq who are shooting back at US soldiers everyday. And also, if you’d have remembered, the US attacked Iraq first.

 

[Liberanosamalo]

Sorry, jedihamster, I also have USNA and USMA credentials in my family. And I have relatives who were met with roses and hand-drawn American flags as they “invaded” Iraq.

The people who are blowing Iraqis up are not Americans. They are outsiders, al-Qaeda affiliates, Iranian-backed insurgents and Syrians and others who have come to Iraq to continue their jihad.

Most Iraqis know we did not attack them. The minority with the hate-filled eyes are holding that country hostage.

I will not debate this war with you. You will not convince me. I will not convince you. And you most certainly will not convince my father, whose office was destroyed by Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. (Yes, he was one of three in his office who lived. That’s all I’ll say). Most of the people who work in that building are very clear about who and why we’re fighting.

And to go with the original question, you will have a hard time finding anyone there who thinks their sworn job to protect this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is immoral. And there are many in Iraq who see our military as their last best hope for any kind of freedom at all.

I suspect if you continue your anti-war thread here it will get closed down. So I’m out of here. I suspect your family’s fine time-honored tradition of military service has ended with you, jedihamster? It’s okay. There are many in our country who will defend your right to say what you want. Just pretend a little to be sad if they die doing so. Okay? Just a little?

By the way, you are aware the Islamicists have little use for Buddhists, dontcha? It’s all right. Our military will protect you. Sorry about those Bamyan statues. Those people don’t go much for your credo.

 

[rwoehmke]

I hope you’re not calling my a pseudointellectual? Have you checked the facts at all?

Do you have difficulty spelling two letter words? If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[jedimasterham]

Sorry, jedihamster, I also have USNA and USMA credentials in my family. And I have relatives who were met with roses and hand-drawn American flags as they “invaded” Iraq.

The people who are blowing Iraqis up are not Americans. They are outsiders, al-Qaeda affiliates, Iranian-backed insurgents and Syrians and others who have come to Iraq to continue their jihad.

Most Iraqis know we did not attack them. The minority with the hate-filled eyes are holding that country hostage.

I will not debate this war with you. You will not convince me. I will not convince you. And you most certainly will not convince my father, whose office was destroyed by Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. (Yes, he was one of three in his office who lived. That’s all I’ll say). Most of the people who work in that building are very clear about who and why we’re fighting.

And to go with the original question, you will have a hard time finding anyone there who thinks their sworn job to protect this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is immoral. And there are many in Iraq who see our military as their last best hope for any kind of freedom at all.

I suspect if you continue your anti-war thread here it will get closed down. So I’m out of here. I suspect your family’s fine time-honored tradition of military service has ended with you, jedihamster? It’s okay. There are many in our country who will defend your right to say what you want. Just pretend a little to be sad if they die doing so. Okay? Just a little?

By the way, you are aware the Islamicists have little use for Buddhists, dontcha? It’s all right. Our military will protect you. Sorry about those Bamyan statues. Those people don’t go much for your credo.

I’m just wondering, do you get most of your information for the news? Obviously people will approach US military with roses and flags… If they had guns, they’d be put under arrest or shot at. And dude, if you had any knowledge, you’d know that Americans have killed so many civilians… Ever heard of Al Jazeera??? Check their videos to see what its really like… Anyway, it doesn’t matter, We had No right to invade them, and we’re still there, and it’s horrible to hear another American support this.