Stephen168
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Yes, I’ve heard that from others on CAF who had converted to Mormonism and then converted to Catholicism.
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BartBurk
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As a convert to Mormonism, a former Mormon missionary, and a convert to Catholicism I might have some insight on that. My experience was that everything I really needed to know about Mormonism outside of the temple experience was taught to me in the discussions. The doctrine of three separate Beings was clearly taught. I was taught about eternal marriage and becoming a God, but not that God was once a man. I truly believe that was because the God was once a man concept is truly speculative doctrine which is not taught in the standard works (or the temple for that matter). So I was taught everything I really needed to know before becoming a member of the LDS Church. The temple really has very little doctrinal content – it is more about behavior than doctrine.
RCIA certainly hit everything I needed to know about Catholicism. It was actually overkill in some respects, but it was worth it.
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Miriam1947
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But I have read that Mormon missionaries want investigators to be baptized after two discussions. Is that false?
What made you decide to become Catholic? (If you don’t wish to answer, no problem, it’s just that conversion stories always interest me)
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BartBurk
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It is true that Mormon missionaries challenge the investigators to be baptized after two discussions, but at least when I was a Mormon missionary we had to teach all of the discussions before baptism.
I left the Mormon Church because of doubts regarding the Book of Mormon. I became Catholic because it was the only other church that had a valid claim to authority.
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Cowboy_Pete
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As far as I’ve seen, everything that BartBurk has said about the LDS church teachings and practices is true. When I was a missionary, I too was taught to invite to baptize at discussion #2. Don’t know what they do now. My parents are currently missionaries in the Congo; if you like I’ll write and ask them if that’s still the practice.
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SteveVH
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I thought it was very funny and am quite sure you knew she was speaking of adults, since RCIA means “Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults”. C’mon folks, a little humor never hurt anyone.I was just poking fun of Miriam’s claim that *everyone *who gets baptized “MUST go through RCIA or similar classes to learn about the faith.” I did not mean to slight anyone’s religious practices; was just joking at the expense of someone who was slighting mine.
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christianley
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Jesus is God. He had a Father and a mother.
The more I’ve done research on King Follet, the more I’m convinced that Mormons don’t truly have to believe that God the Father had a Father and a Mother. They don’t have a fixed theology on the matter, but they have a popular theology on the matter – kind of like Catholics did with Limbo.
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SteveVH
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I saw that same video, I think. I’m not sure who he was teaching, but it verywell could have been missionaries. He was instructing them to basically side step questions by ignoring the question asked and replacing it with “the question they should have asked” (those were his words). It certainly seemed deceptive to me. Now, having said that, I don’t remember the name of the video, but I think you can find it by googling “Lying for the Lord”.
Stephen168
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When you say “the matter;” What theology are you referring to?
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christianley
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The idea that God the Father had a Father.
Stephen168
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Yes, that is the video.
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Cowboy_Pete
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That’s not lying, but it’s wrong. Also very contrary to what I was taught as a missionary, which was to specifically address and “resolve concerns.” I’ve never heard of “the question they should have asked.”
I don’t understand how anyone could expect to welcome God’s spirit into a discussion with the underhanded technique.
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KathleenGee
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Cowboy Pete,
As Catholics, we believe that Jesus Christ IS the Word of God and likewise we understand Scripture from the context of its whole through the Holy Spirit.
It has been said of the devil that he was a liar and a thief from the beginning…he is the seducer of Eve who offered her knowledge of good and evil so she could become as the gods…
Satan destroys our trust in God. Satan lies.
In Catholic moral theology, ‘to lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error’.
Lying is taking Catholic teachings and deliberately misconstruing them to prove errors contrary to the truth of Jesus Christ and His church.
To resort to lying for the Lord is bad fruit, and reveals a faulty construct in the first place.
The faith of Catholic and all Christians is that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead to bring us new life in Him. Jesus is the New Adam. There is no need to lie in the event of Jesus Christ. There is no other prophet beyond Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Heavenly Father are in union with the Word of God. No lie can represent them.
As Catholics, we believe that Jesus Christ IS the Word of God and likewise we understand Scripture from the context of its whole through the Holy Spirit.
It has been said of the devil that he was a liar and a thief from the beginning…he is the seducer of Eve who offered her knowledge of good and evil so she could become as the gods…
Satan destroys our trust in God. Satan lies.
In Catholic moral theology, ‘to lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error’.
Lying is taking Catholic teachings and deliberately misconstruing them to prove errors contrary to the truth of Jesus Christ and His church.
To resort to lying for the Lord is bad fruit, and reveals a faulty construct in the first place.
The faith of Catholic and all Christians is that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead to bring us new life in Him. Jesus is the New Adam. There is no need to lie in the event of Jesus Christ. There is no other prophet beyond Him.
The Holy Spirit and the Heavenly Father are in union with the Word of God. No lie can represent them.
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zaffiroborant
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It is spelled out for missionaries in “Lesson 2” in the Preach my Gospel manual.
Chapter 5 has a lot of commitments.
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Telstar
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While I do agree that the names of some of our beliefs are the same, the meanings attached to them on both sides, are usually very different. Our basic beliefs are extremely far apart, beginning with our completely different definitions of God, Himself. When we both define God so differently, then there is no way to reconcile that, or to believe that we have anything else in common from that point on as far as religious beliefs go. So, no, we do not share many beliefs at all, because our God is not the same as your version of god (aka Joseph Smith’s version).
I never said you were lying, yet you insinuated that other people on this board were lying here. You can deny that LDS have a policy known as “lying for the lord” 'til the cows come home, but the truth is, it’s a well known fact. I was just pointing out that many LDS use that tactic to tweak and twist the truth, not just here, but in any situation where they feel it’s ‘justified’. I was merely pointing out the fact that Catholics don’t do that kind of thing. When we make a statement about our Church or our beliefs, it’s the truth. If we’re wrong, then we welcome other Catholics to correct our error. We believe that all lies are sins, and God would never approve of lying for any reason, least of all to ‘defend’ Him or His Church. We don’t have to ‘lie for the lord’ because we believe in the Truth of God, and that’s all we need to tell anyone that asks.
Mea culpa. I thought you were referring to an official LDS study. I should have known better than that. My sincere apologies for my misunderstanding of your statements. I’m actually glad that it’s not official because it would only serve to widen the enormous gap between our churches.
Are you saying that you’re not here on this forum to defend your LDS beliefs? That’s not the way I see it, but if you say so, I certainly can’t argue the point. I can’t really think of any other reason that you’d be here on a Catholic forum, unless you’re actually looking to convert to the RCC (LOL), or to try to convert some of us to LDS (LOL), or, most likely, to try to convince people here that your faith is ‘practically the same thing’ as ours. I don’t think you’ll have much luck in doing that, but that’s your choice.
I do appreciate your candor in answering some of the questions that you’ve been asked, recently. But, there are still many questions left unanswered, or completely ignored, not just by you but by other LDS on this board, as well. It’s extremely difficult to get straight answers to many questions posted here about what LDS really believe, without getting a song and dance production, around the subject, that’s supposed to satisfy the person that posed it. Directness does not seem to be an attribute that LDS aspire to use in such situations.
Are there some specific questions about our ‘inconvenient’ history that you think I should be answering, that I’ve ignored or avoided? Please, point them out to me and I’ll do my best to answer them for you. I can’t think of any at all, but if you can find me one, I’ll be more than happy to make an attempt. Do you think I haven’t been telling the truth in my responses to you or anyone else in the past month? (actually… I don’t think I could tell you all of the topics I’ve posted about in the past month…but, whatever floats your boat)
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Cowboy_Pete
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That sounds like an insinuation that I’m lying.
Again.The only persons on this board that I’ve accused of lying are the persons that claimed to be exmocats and accused me of lying about my own religion. And they must be lying, either lying about being informed exmocats, or lying about me and my religion.
{theology …}
I have a hard time reading what you’re saying after that “lying for the lord” accusation. Sorry.
A lot of you ask misleading questions like “Who is God’s father?”
Why don’t you try giving a “straight” answer to such a bent question.No. I’m not here as a muckraker, and your church is generally good about confronting its own demons. That was more of a boast on my part than a slight on you, and I appreciate those who stepped forward to confirm that I’ve been straight with all of you here on the history.
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Cowboy_Pete
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Well said and amen, sister Kathleen.
I agree with all you said other than no prophet beyond Jesus Christ. I’m not sure how you can get around John the Beloved being a prophet. 
And Paul tells the saints explicitly in 1 Cor 14 that we should seek after the spiritual gift of prophesy. Moses said that he wished that all the people could be prophets, and Paul essentially told us that through the gift of the Holy Spirit that came upon the Saints at Pentecost, that if we seek the gift of prophesy, that we might obtain it.
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Pfaffenhoffen
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Could you explain this ???
I do not see this in the Catholic Teaching !!!
Sincerely, I cannot follow your reasoning… Sorry.
Or else I know little about Mormons. Except that they would better converting to Caholicism.
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rock17
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I can come up with a few more questionsYou’re not parroting the Evangelical script against Mormons, so why should I think that you’re an evangelical? All you do is keep asking questions that I’ve already answered. That technique does not require Evangelical “anti-cult” training; you could have learned it from any 4 year old.
yea usually on a thread one tries to stay on topic but i gues it is easier to call a question dumb or come up with wierd insults.I don’t know, but my wife is God’s fairy godmother.
I am sorry i cant take any one serious who does not take a serious question about theology to heart and try and answer it, there must be something in lds doctrine about this it did not come from nowhere. if you have already answered it must have been in a defensive ill hearted post and i just did not read it.Can’t you come up with new ridiculous question?
How did a group of Hebrews make it all the way from the middle east to south america long before long distance sea travel was possible for people of that region?
Which Pope did the Apostasy start under?
Why where Africans kept out of the Priesthood?
Why do you baptise people have died in thier own faith? as in pope john paul II
Why do you send missionaries out into the world who make the claim that Catholics and Mormons are almost the same when any one with some knowing of the two doctrines can tell that is not true?
these are just a few would you like more or can we stick to the topic at hand?
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RebeccaJ
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Robert Millet or Dallen Oaks, depending on which video you were watching. Robert Millet being of the “answer the question that should have been asked” approach, and Dallen Oaks being of the “some truths are more important than others” approach.
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