LDS beliefs about Jesus Christ?

[JeanMichel]

Its black and white. Christians weather Catholic or Protestant all believe in the same God, the Same Jesus and the same Holy Spirit . Mormons believe in an entirely different God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. They confuse this by appearing to be Christian. They bear false witness regarding Christianity. Flyonthewall. you are doing this on this forum right now by saying you believe in the same Jesus Christians believe in. Just go with your beliefs and be honest in them. You believe in a different God than Christians. You have accepted your different god as your reality. It would be good f your religion called themselves Mormons, put your beliefs foreword in the light and convert in honesty. Jesus is the same whether you are Catholic of Mormon. For that matter whether you beleive in Him or not. He does not change.

I reject this entire premise as it is false. There is only one Jesus of Nazareth that died on a cross. That Jesus is worshiped by all Christians, Catholics and Mormons alike. There is only one God the Father that is worshiped, prayed to, and adored that Catholics and Mormons worship him. There is only one Holy Spirit that touches the hearts of mankind, that leads us, uplifts us, and gives us peace; Catholics and Mormons alike acknowledge him and praise him. If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics worship the same Jesus that sacrificed himself and was resurrected? If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics pray in name of Jesus? If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics baptize in their name.

The belief in Jesus is fundamental to a Catholic and to a Mormon. To think differently is to be misinformed and to preach it is to preach disinformation. In fact, I think it is very similar to those who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. At the end, there will be one faith and all show bow and acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ. I see no reason that those such as Catholics and Mormons will not be doing so together.

I invite all Mormons and Catholics to respected one another. Mormons come to the Mass, study the Holy Eucharist and come to understand its sacredness and beauty. In addition, because I was so inspired by John Paul II, I would encourage you to read his theology on the body. If you do these things, you will touched by the Holy Spirit.

For Catholics, the only thing I ask is that you forsake reading anti-Mormon literature. Abandon that vile practice as the plague it is. The same spirit that inspires its writing is the same spirit that leads others to write anti-Catholic “literature”.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Catholics and all Christians believe and worship One God, Father, Son AND Holy Spirit.

Mormons worship a god they call father, they do not worship the person they call Jesus and certainly, never, ever in their entire lives worship the Holy Spirit. They cannot, as they believe in three gods, not the One True God of Christianity. To keep in line with the mandate of the Bible to worship one God, they have chosen to worship only their god they call father. They are henotheistic, which is a form of polytheism. This is a FACT, not a misunderstanding or misconstruing of their doctrine. They read the commandment “thou shalt have no other God before me”, in the same manner that the Hebrews who struggled with worshiping pagan gods did. That is, that there are other gods, and these gods should not be put before God.

God led the Jews out of their pagan beliefs, until they finally understood, completely that there is but One God and no other. Christians hold this same belief: ONE GOD. Mormons seek to return to the pagan confusion of the Hebrews, because they think because the Bible describes the struggle, that the errors in belief were lost to a Jewish apostasy! No one who believes in the One True God of the Chosen People of God, made manifest to us by Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit, as One God, Triune in nature, believes we should return to pagan beliefs of multiple gods with the Father as the greatest among these gods.

What is the reason to obfuscate the differences in belief, and try to pass one off as the other?

Mormons should be told of the differences, so they can understand the god they follow is false, and come to desire to understand the Truth. One does not come to desire Truth if they believe, falsely, that they are already in possession of it.

Catholics and all Christians should understand the differences, so they are not confused by Mormons, who send tens of thousands of their missionaries out, masquerading as Christians, leading people to the worship of a false god.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Mormons worship a god they call father, they do not worship the person they call Jesus and certainly, never, ever in their entire lives worship the Holy Spirit.

Well I can see why they wouldn’t worship their version of the Holy Spirit, “shrinking violet” or “timid as a mouse” is the only way to describe the being they talk about. Irreverent toddlers in meetings chase this spirit away:shrug:

 

[po18guy]

I reject this entire premise as it is false. There is only one Jesus of Nazareth that died on a cross. That Jesus is worshiped by all Christians, Catholics and Mormons alike. There is only one God the Father that is worshiped, prayed to, and adored that Catholics and Mormons worship him. There is only one Holy Spirit that touches the hearts of mankind, that leads us, uplifts us, and gives us peace; Catholics and Mormons alike acknowledge him and praise him. If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics worship the same Jesus that sacrificed himself and was resurrected? If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics pray in name of Jesus? If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics baptize in their name.

The belief in Jesus is fundamental to a Catholic and to a Mormon. To think differently is to be misinformed and to preach it is to preach disinformation. In fact, I think it is very similar to those who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. At the end, there will be one faith and all show bow and acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ. I see no reason that those such as Catholics and Mormons will not be doing so together.

I invite all Mormons and Catholics to respected one another. Mormons come to the Mass, study the Holy Eucharist and come to understand its sacredness and beauty. In addition, because I was so inspired by John Paul II, I would encourage you to read his theology on the body. If you do these things, you will touched by the Holy Spirit.

For Catholics, the only thing I ask is that you forsake reading anti-Mormon literature. Abandon that vile practice as the plague it is. The same spirit that inspires its writing is the same spirit that leads others to write anti-Catholic “literature”.

I do not see the Truth mentioned in your post. We know that the enemy seeks to destroy the truth, and that the truth demands a defense. Truth is neither defended nor served through equivocation or by applying relativism to obviously different faiths.

 

[JeanMichel]

I do not see the Truth mentioned in your post. We know that the enemy seeks to destroy the truth, and that the truth demands a defense. Truth is neither defended nor served through equivocation or by applying relativism to obviously different faiths.

I do not support or accept relativism as a system of belief. Truth does not “demand” a defense, because it is truth. Truth will always win because God is truth. God needs no defense because he is all powerful.

Truth needs to be lived. Truth needs to be spoken. We do not need to tell lies, distort beliefs of others, or cause dissension to promote truth. Christ’s only instance of anger or what could be interpreted of as “defense” was to whip the moneychanges who defiled the temple, his Father’s house. He never got up on a rock and attacked the Pharisees; he taught the truth and lived it. When attacked by the Pharisees, he rejected them and taught truth.

The only way to serve truth is to live it! In doing so, others will see the Spirit within you and seek to follow. As for me and my house, we will follow Christ and emulate his example. May we be known as those who love God and aid others in coming to a greater knowledge of him.

Tell me, how much vinegar does it take to attract the bee? Does honey work better? There is great wisdom in it, but takes a man of great strength to choose honey (love) rather than anger and bitter feelings when teaching truth.

 

[Marie5890]

I do not support or accept relativism as a system of belief. Truth does not “demand” a defense, because it is truth. Truth will always win because God is truth. God needs no defense because he is all powerful.

Truth needs to be lived. Truth needs to be spoken. We do not need to tell lies, distort beliefs of others, or cause dissension to promote truth. Christ’s only instance of anger or what could be interpreted of as “defense” was to whip the moneychanges who defiled the temple, his Father’s house. He never got up on a rock and attacked the Pharisees; he taught the truth and lived it. When attacked by the Pharisees, he rejected them and taught truth.

The only way to serve truth is to live it! In doing so, others will see the Spirit within you and seek to follow. As for me and my house, we will follow Christ and emulate his example. May we be known as those who love God and aid others in coming to a greater knowledge of him.

Tell me, how much vinegar does it take to attract the bee? Does honey work better? There is great wisdom in it, but takes a man of great strength to choose honey (love) rather than anger and bitter feelings when teaching truth.

A living, breathing, beating heart life of discipleship!

 

[catholic-rcia]

I reject this entire premise as it is false. There is only one Jesus of Nazareth that died on a cross. That Jesus is worshiped by all Christians, Catholics and Mormons alike. There is only one God the Father that is worshiped, prayed to, and adored that Catholics and Mormons worship him. There is only one Holy Spirit that touches the hearts of mankind, that leads us, uplifts us, and gives us peace; Catholics and Mormons alike acknowledge him and praise him. If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics worship the same Jesus that sacrificed himself and was resurrected? If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics pray in name of Jesus? If this were not so, why would Mormons and Catholics baptize in their name.

The belief in Jesus is fundamental to a Catholic and to a Mormon. To think differently is to be misinformed and to preach it is to preach disinformation. In fact, I think it is very similar to those who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. At the end, there will be one faith and all show bow and acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ. I see no reason that those such as Catholics and Mormons will not be doing so together.

I invite all Mormons and Catholics to respected one another. Mormons come to the Mass, study the Holy Eucharist and come to understand its sacredness and beauty. In addition, because I was so inspired by John Paul II, I would encourage you to read his theology on the body. If you do these things, you will touched by the Holy Spirit.

For Catholics, the only thing I ask is that you forsake reading anti-Mormon literature. Abandon that vile practice as the plague it is. The same spirit that inspires its writing is the same spirit that leads others to write anti-Catholic “literature”.

Yes, one God for all who turn to Him or turn back to Him. Yes He is with us Catholic or Mormon even when we reject Him. The difference between understanding and living your Catholic faith, or understanding and living your Mormon faith is one of profound difference. It’s black and white. It is following two entirely different Gods. When I was LDS it was me doing the good works, looking back I felt a sense of great pride in doing good for others. As a Catholic who has been helping the LDS come to the Christ in the Christian sense it is when they discover the Holy Trinity that they see this pride not only that is within their church but in themselves as well.

They begin to see this as the sinful nature. This in where they begin to cross the bridge, a walk of surrender over to Jesus. I have been able to witness this while doing this work that is Gods alone.

One day I was walking into the Catholic Church up on the USA campus. Two Missionaries asked me why I was going in. We sat on the lawn while they began to tell me about the Great Apostasy. At one point they even laughed when I spoke about the Holy Trinity. I find so much joy in the fact that I am no longer in a faith built on anti Chritsianity, that it went evil and had to be restored. A religion built on the fall of the Catholic Church. Rather I am in a religion built on the fall of all of us together. It is why we rely on Jesus to bring us home.

I simply told then that I am one of the Great Apostasies’ and that this is why I go into my church. It was wrong for them to approach me the way they did yet God led their own pride to sit down and speak with a Catholic, to enter into a Bible study with four more Catholics and then to stand at the foot of our Crucifix asking questions.

I will never forget these moments for one single reason. It was good that they were there. There is a lot more to this than just claiming what you say. I will say it again. As one of the LDS faith I did not know Jesus, he was different. I found Him in my own conversion to Christianity. He is the one I follow now. I do not try to make Him proud of me like I used to do. You just get about working for Him. His joy is my joy now.

 

[flyonthewall]

OK… semantics for the “distancing” verses “distinction” and yet, here you say, that you are neither Catholic or Protestant and that these are the only two ways to be Christian? Then, by your own statement, LDS are not “Generally speaking” part of the Christian faith but something else… but not Christian.

We are neither Catholic or Protestant, I did not say there were only two parts to Christianity, I said generally speaking, there were only two parts…But there are more parts than just the two. LDS are separate from either one of those but Christian we are.

Mormons profoundly distance themselves from orthodox Christianity thru their beliefs, they define a God that does not coincide with the God of Christianity in that, as stated before in this thread, the fundamental basis of the LDS faith is different from that of the Christian faith, for example:
LDS does not interpret canonical Scripture as being solely the Old Testament and New Testament, as given in any version of the Christian Bible, Instead, they add the Book of Mormon and founder Joseph Smith’s other works, The Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants.
LDS members do not believe in the Christian Trinity. Mormons believe God the Father and God the Son, two separate beings, have fleshly bodies and that the Holy Ghost is a spirit man – a third separate being. Not the triune God of the Christian faiths
LDS members teach that God was once a finite being who achieved his exalted rank by “progressing.” That MAN, HUMAN, became GOD, not that God created Man and so forth.

Have you ever heard the story of the 5 Blind Men and the Elephant? While traditional or mainstream Christianity is trying to tell the world that an Elephant is very much like a rope, or a tree, or a wall or snake, or a spear, LDS are telling the world that an elephant is an elephant, and for that reason, we are told we don’t relly know what an elephant is.

Really?
Look at the third and fourth sentences of your quote… LDS beliefs are NOT based on the foundations of the Christian faiths - as spoken by a Prophet of the LDS Church. Our God comes from the word of Christ as given to and witnessed by the Apostles directly from Christ and passed on to the Church as established by Christ… not an angel, but Christ.

Yes Really. We do not take our understanding of Jesus Christ from the philosophies of man, but from God Himself.

It has been some years since I heard the interview; however, I believe that your quote of the dialogue was from much earlier in the discussion. The quote I gave was given only after the host point blank asked what does the LDS believe and “President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ. - 'No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.’ ”

And you really believe that he is saying we worship a different Jesus? The only way we worship a different Jesus is if you do not worship the Jesus found in the Bible. We don’t hold the traditional beliefs of Christ, but Jesus Christ, the person, the Son of God, is the same.
You are wanting to take one sentence from a man that has spoken volumes about Christ, and twist what he meant into something of your own construct.

:sad_yes: I would really appreciate a source for your quote!

Gordon B. Hinckley, “We Look to Christ,” Ensign (May 2002), 90.

Perhaps you were getting your information from another source, such as Search for the Truth DVD?

Altering quotes
In order to strengthen their claim, critics sometimes even modify these quotes. Consider the use of President Hinckley’s quote in the critical Search for the Truth DVD. The critics have actually added a phrase to the quote:

No I don’t believe in the traditional Christ. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the dispensation of the Fullness of Times.[3](emphasis added)

 

[flyonthewall]

Its black and white. Christians weather Catholic or Protestant all believe in the same God, the Same Jesus and the same Holy Spirit . Mormons believe in an entirely different God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. They confuse this by appearing to be Christian. They bear false witness regarding Christianity. Flyonthewall. you are doing this on this forum right now by saying you believe in the same Jesus Christians believe in. Just go with your beliefs and be honest in them. You believe in a different God than Christians. You have accepted your different god as your reality. It would be good f your religion called themselves Mormons, put your beliefs foreword in the light and convert in honesty. Jesus is the same whether you are Catholic of Mormon. For that matter whether you beleive in Him or not. He does not change.

If this helps you sleep better at night, then keep telling yourself that. But just know that you are wrong.
Worship the same God as is found in the Bible. We have more information about Him, which seems to scare you.
You desparately need us to believe in a “different” being, well if you keep clicking your heels together and repeating it, maybe it will happen…NOT.
The sooner you realize that we believe in the SAME God as you, but we hold differing beliefs, as well as some of the same, the sooner you will be able to move on.

 

[KathleenGee]

Rebecca and Rich come from Utah…the center of Mormon faith and its practices. I am now being made aware that the farther out one goes out from Utah, the more one finds greater moderation in Mormon beliefs. But I see Utah as the Mother Lode, the source of authentic Mormonism.

In regards to looking at anti-Mormon materials misrepresenting its religion,I came across highly bigoted, anti-Catholic Mormon materials at a West Coast Deseret book store in a most highly affluent and influential neighborhood. Over the past century, Mormonism has changed so much not only in some of their beliefs, but in how they express themselves…indeed, sounding like they have studied Catholic communication and presentation.

But there is enough disparity of faith that we should actively pray for the conversion of the Mormon people that we be one.

 

[KathleenGee]

Jean Michael,

I am a follower of John Paul II…and actively resuming so after taking a hiatus of raising my children in an anti-Catholic area of the state, and subsequent fragmentation of Catholic faith that has had to endure in it as well.

I have close to 90 booklets of Sunday Visitor’s, ‘The Pope Speaks’. Just his photos alone show great example of faith in action.

I am looking at right now, ‘Crossing the Threshold of Hope’, by John Paul II…pondering his chapters on why so many religions…and proceeding chapter on ‘Buddha’.

‘But if God Who is in heaven–and Who saved and continues to save the world–is One and only One and is He who has revealed Himself in Jesus Christ, why has He allowed so many religions to exist?..’

‘The Council defined the relationship of the Church to non-Christian religions in a specific document that begins with the words, “Nostra aetate” (In our time")…a concise and yet very rich document that authentically hands on tradition, faithful to the thought of the earliest Church Fathers…’

‘From the beginning, Christian Revelation has viewed the spiritual history of man as including, in some way, all religions, thereby demonstrating the unity of mankind with regard to the eternal and ultimate destiny of man. The Council document speaks of this unity and links it with the current trend to bring humanity closer together through the resources available to our civilization…’

‘The Church sees the promotion of this unity as one of its duties: “There is only one community and it consists of all peoples.” They have only one origin, since God inhabited the entire earth with the whole human race. And they have one ultimate destiny, God, whose providence, goodness, and plan for salvation extend to all…’

“Nostra Aetate” is a document Catholics and Mormons should study. We need to.

But John Paul II also speaks critically of aspects in other religions…Because Christ came and conquered sin and death, Christ restored the vision of the world created good as well. And he also comments in this book on the chapter of ‘Buddha’…this detachment…to include ‘the separate issue we are seeing in the past several years…both within religion and secular secret fraternities in Christian countries, the return of ancient gnostic ideas under the guise of the so-called New Age.’

Joseph Tereylpa (spelling) was a Russian religionist who was put in the Soviet gulag, I believe, in Siberia…he suffered very much but never lost faith, even challenging his guards. Every so once in awhile he would observe these Soviets, masters of disinformation we see so prevalent today…utilizing books of the New Age for power of man vs. God in Christ.

John Paul II says, ‘We cannot delude ourselves that this will lead to a renewal of religion. It is only a new way of practicing gnosticism–that attitude of the spirit that, in the name of a profound knowledge of God, results in distorting His Word and replacing it with purely human words. Gnosticism never completely abandoned the realm of Christianity. Instead, it has always existed side by side with Christianity, sometimes taking the shape of a philosophical movement, but more often assuming the characteristics of a religion or para-religion, if not declared, conflict with all that is essentially Christian.’

We do not compromise Christianity, we promote the integrity of faith–charitably.

 

[KathleenGee]

To deny Christianity and its Christian people, it is very hard then to take from Christ and His teachings and separate Him and His Word from His people…this is an injustice.

 

[stevekehl]

This is not a 20th century LDS belief that was either taught nor believed. Perhaps 19th century, but not 20th.

I know it was not taught when I was LDS.

(God had sex with Mary to concieve Jesus)

If this is true then LDS must admit that Brigham Young taught an untrue doctrine and therefore was not a true prophet. In "Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115 :
“The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood, was begotten of his Father, as we are of our Fathers.”
This is just one example of how LDS has a doctrine contrary to Scripture which shows it is not Christian.

 

[stevekehl]

Actually, you may want to check the words as I think the passage says “no other God beside me.” (Isaiah 44 and 45). That conveys a meaning of “instead of me”. It also refers specifically in those passages to the Savior being the Only Savior. This is the major point of those passages, with the commandment to the Israelites that they worship no other god and particularly no god made with hands.

That Scripture is Isaiah 44:6. In the second verse of that chapter we read “Thus saith the Lord…” so this is not Isaiah’s opinion. If you keep reading in verse 8 we see “ye are my witnesses. Is there another God beside me? yea there is no God, I know of not any.” This seems pretty unambiguous. If God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent and says twice there are no Gods beside himself, LDS must either admit there is only one God anywhere, ever, at any time, or admit that God is not omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. The two doctrines of Mormon and Christianity are incompatible.

 

[JeanMichel]

(God had sex with Mary to concieve Jesus)

If this is true then LDS must admit that Brigham Young taught an untrue doctrine and therefore was not a true prophet. In "Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115 :
“The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood, was begotten of his Father, as we are of our Fathers.”
This is just one example of how LDS has a doctrine contrary to Scripture which shows it is not Christian.

Actually these musings of Brigham Young have been denied by the Mormon Church. One that I recall my cousins talking about is the Adam-God theory. As I recall when he first talked about it other leaderes condemned it as false. Then as time passed just to make it clear to everyone latter leaders condemned it as false.

Mormon leaders appear to allowed the leeway to speculate about obscure things. These speculations have never been accepted as doctrine by the Mormon Church, but they create a field day for critics. In reality these individuals were very much men with many failings, but viewed as called of God by their members.

It reminds me of my feelings about Peter, my favorite apostle. Here we have a man that sat at the feet of God and was taught the Gospel. He was with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. He knew who Jesus was because God the Father told him. Yet, this is the man that denied Jesus not once, but three times. This weak vessel that turned his back on Jesus was the same person upon which the Church was built.

For me, men are weak vessels and are sinners regardless of their position. The Bible says, “and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong.” (1 Cor 1:27). The weak leaders of the Mormon Church are not why I reject their teachings.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Mormons today, follow and revere a man who they believe is a prophet, who they believe speaks to them as God’s mouthpiece. There is no option given in Mormonism, ever, for a person to sit back and think, “gee, our prophet just said some really great stuff but it was just his opinion and has no meaning to me”. If there is a Mormon here who thinks in this manner, I suggest they bring up this idea to their bishop and see what comes of it.

Mormons do however, take this liberty with their past prophets.

It is revisionist to say that Mormons believe Brigham Young had false teachings. The Mormons who were alive at the time Young was considered their prophet, who followed him 1200 miles to a desert, lost lives, gave up everything they owned but what could fit in a wagon…these people did not believe Young was teaching anything false.

It also raises questions of credibility. If a Mormon prophet has taught something false, who is to say the man they call a prophet today isn’t also teaching something that is false? Yet there are millions of Mormons, hanging on his every word, and maybe if 50 or 100 years, Mormons at that time will say, “eh, that was just some guy’s opinion”.

Mormons cannot answer this, without going into a non-committal “follow the Spirit”, which only goes back to the point that those who followed Brigham Young, and believed his teachings, believed they were “following the Spirit”. But now today, some Mormons are saying this “Spirit” led people to follow a man who was teaching something false.

It goes in circles, forever. God is not a God of confusion.

Also, the analogy to Peter is not a good one. Peter was horrified at the thought that he would betray Jesus, yet by human weakness born of fear, he did, and wept in regret at his own weakness. Peter never taught that his weakness was a doctrine born of divine origins.

Young had no such fear, and was not horrified at what he was teaching. He proudly taught his false teachings regarding the nature of GOD, very content with his own ideas being presented to people who revered him as a prophet. Teaching as though these ideas had divine origin, as doctrine, with no regret whatsoever.

 

[JeanMichel]

Mormons today, follow and revere a man who they believe is a prophet, who they believe speaks to them as God’s mouthpiece. There is no option given in Mormonism, ever, for a person to sit back and think, “gee, our prophet just said some really great stuff but it was just his opinion and has no meaning to me”. If there is a Mormon here who thinks in this manner, I suggest they bring up this idea to their bishop and see what comes of it.

Mormons do however, take this liberty with their past prophets.

It is revisionist to say that Mormons believe Brigham Young had false teachings. The Mormons who were alive at the time Young was considered their prophet, who followed him 1200 miles to a desert, lost lives, gave up everything they owned but what could fit in a wagon…these people did not believe Young was teaching anything false.

It also raises questions of credibility. If a Mormon prophet has taught something false, who is to say the man they call a prophet today isn’t also teaching something that is false? Yet there are millions of Mormons, hanging on his every word, and maybe if 50 or 100 years, Mormons at that time will say, “eh, that was just some guy’s opinion”.

Mormons cannot answer this, without going into a non-committal “follow the Spirit”, which only goes back to the point that those who followed Brigham Young, and believed his teachings, believed they were “following the Spirit”. But now today, some Mormons are saying this “Spirit” led people to follow a man who was teaching something false.

It goes in circles, forever. God is not a God of confusion.

Also, the analogy to Peter is not a good one. Peter was horrified at the thought that he would betray Jesus, yet by human weakness born of fear, he did, and wept in regret at his own weakness. Peter never taught that his weakness was a doctrine born of divine origins.

Young had no such fear, and was not horrified at what he was teaching. He proudly taught his false teachings regarding the nature of GOD, very content with his own ideas being presented to people who revered him as a prophet. Teaching as though these ideas had divine origin, as doctrine, with no regret whatsoever.

Do you have any reference for your statement in the first paragraph. When I have talked to my cousins they have made it very clear that the prophet does not speak as a prophet unless moved upon by the Holy Ghost. This makes sense to me and they have shown me this language in their publications. Where do you get your information that seems to conflict with the Mormon Church publications?

Revisionst? I assume you read about Parley P. Pratt, another apostle, that condemned the Adam-God theory when he first heard it. How many others condemned it? You seem to talk about things with such strong feelings, but your position is not based in reality. Did some people believe it was true simply because BY said it? I suppose so, but others rejected. It does not appear as if this is so clear cut as you try to make it sound.

You seem to know BY’s heart in great depth. Please explain how this is so? How do you know what his fears were? What is so unfortunate is the bitterness you talk about Mormons. It is evident you feel hurt personally by their very existence in the world. I am sorry that you feel so hurt. I encourage you not to give them so much power over you; let it go and know that you are doing what the Lord asks of you. You have no need to feel bitter toward them or anyone else. You are a disciple of God.

These Mormon people are far more noble than you give them credit. Their leaders have been just men…just like Peter. AND yes, it is an excellent analogy because all men are sinners. If we always are so willing to find the mote in our brother’s eye, we forget to remove the beam that is in our own.

God is not a God of confusion is correct. Let us not be the ones to distort the beliefs of others. It is much easier and Christlike to proclaim the truth we know.

 

[z_0101]

We are neither Catholic or Protestant, I did not say there were only two parts to Christianity, I said generally speaking, there were only two parts…But there are more parts than just the two. LDS are separate from either one of those but Christian we are.

(…snip…)
No, you are talking in circles – no we aren’t but yes we are.
Sorry, can’t be both ways. By your first statement, Momons are not Christains.

And you really believe that he is saying we worship a different Jesus? The only way we worship a different Jesus is if you do not worship the Jesus found in the Bible. We don’t hold the traditional beliefs of Christ, but Jesus Christ, the person, the Son of God, is the same.

Give me a break. Mormon’s basic tentents describe a FINITE god not an ETERNAL god.

Catholic-Christians and those faiths dervived therefrom have an eternal, triune God. For the Catholic Church, the knowledge and understanding of the true nature of God is a mystery.
Mormons have a “God” that was a “MAN” that was “Created” by another "MAN’ ad-infititam. Jesus was a “MAN” that was “Created” thru the SEXUAL act between Mary and “god” not a “begot” by the power of the Holy Spirit. Oh for that fact… the Holy Spirit is an incarnation in “FLESH?!” Wow how 180 can you get.

You are wanting to take one sentence from a man that has spoken volumes about Christ, and twist what he meant into something of your own construct.

Gordon B. Hinckley, “We Look to Christ,” Ensign (May 2002), 90.
Perhaps you were getting your information from another source, such as Search for the Truth DVD?

Hardly… he made the same statment several times. I just happend to actually hear this one from his own mouth…

However:

Look at the dates of the quotes you used ( I bolded them above) vs. mine:
“President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ. - 'No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.’ ” —LDS Church News, June 20, 1998, p. 7

• Your source is not the same conversation at all nor within the same context. As for the source - LDS News not a Catholic resources. As for when… I wasn’t Catholic in 1998 and really couldn’t have cared less about the positions of the Catholic Church, or any Church at the time.
• As I have mentioned before… I have read a good number of the texts currently in use by the LDS Church and there are VERY active members of the faith in my family; thus, my resources are very reliable and direct.

I am not taking one sentence from one person. In my prior post, I listed thee other comments made by the founders and prophts of the LDS Church.​

 

[RebeccaJ]

Do you have any reference for your statement in the first paragraph. When I have talked to my cousins they have made it very clear that the prophet does not speak as a prophet unless moved upon by the Holy Ghost. This makes sense to me and they have shown me this language in their publications. Where do you get your information that seems to conflict with the Mormon Church publications?

My information may be in conflict with your cousins, it is not in conflict with what the Mormon church teaches. Obedience to their prophet is not optional.

Revisionst? I assume you read about Parley P. Pratt, another apostle, that condemned the Adam-God theory when he first heard it. How many others condemned it? You seem to talk about things with such strong feelings, but your position is not based in reality. Did some people believe it was true simply because BY said it? I suppose so, but others rejected. It does not appear as if this is so clear cut as you try to make it sound.

It was Orson Pratt who condemned it, not his brother Parley. Orson Pratt published his disagreements in the publication “The Seer”. Young rebuked him, and the conflict continued until Pratt was threatened that he would face being disfellowshipped.

So yes, Pratt condemned it, and was nearly disfellowshipped for going against the Mormon prophet.

Before Young’s death he ensured that this doctrine was made part of the Mormon temple endowment.

Your view is revisionist.

You seem to know BY’s heart in great depth. Please explain how this is so? How do you know what his fears were? What is so unfortunate is the bitterness you talk about Mormons. It is evident you feel hurt personally by their very existence in the world. I am sorry that you feel so hurt. I encourage you not to give them so much power over you; let it go and know that you are doing what the Lord asks of you. You have no need to feel bitter toward them or anyone else. You are a disciple of God.

JeanMichel, I speak the truth from being raised in Mormonism, and then studying it further as an adult. Ad hominem attacks against me won’t change what Mormonism is. Caricaturizing people who KNOW what Mormonism is won’t change what it is either.

You need to do some more research, rather than speaking from idealism.
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"Some years ago, I advanced a doctrine with regard to Adam being our father and God, that will be a curse to many of the Elders of Israel because of their folly. With regard to it they yet grovel in darkness and will. It is one of the most glorious revealments of the economy of heaven, yet the world hold derision. Had I revealed the doctrine of baptism from [sic.] the dead instead Joseph Smith there are men around me who would have ridiculed the idea until dooms day. But they are ignorant and stupid like the dumb **." (Brigham Young)

That is Young’s heart, on the matter.

These Mormon people are far more noble than you give them credit. Their leaders have been just men…just like Peter. AND yes, it is an excellent analogy because all men are sinners. If we always are so willing to find the mote in our brother’s eye, we forget to remove the beam that is in our own.

God is not a God of confusion is correct. Let us not be the ones to distort the beliefs of others. It is much easier and Christlike to proclaim the truth we know.

There is no distortion. But you seem to have a romanticized view of “noble Mormons”. They’re just people JeanMichel, and like all people, have good attributes and bad.

I am telling you the truth, it is you who keeps on insisting that truth is an idealism, relative to nothing more than “being nice”. Truth is not based on ideologies, and just because you base truth on an ideology, it doesn’t mean that everyone else is, or should.

Being Christlike is not an ideology, as you have made it.

Peace

 

[StJudePray4Me]

Original poster here…

Rebecca, can I ask you as a former LDS…the original question: Do you feel that the Jesus Christ who you know today as a Catholic is the same Jesus you knew as a Mormon?