LDS church publishes an article teaching about Lent

[Porknpie]

TexanKnight:

It’s inconsistent Tex when you were Catholic, and still is inconsistent now, to profess that a Church that had a complete falling away from the Truth, in a great apostasy, could, some 250+ years later, infallibly discern the canon of NT scripture.

Why is it inconsistent?

Tex,

You believe that the Church was infallible in discerning the Canon of NT scripture…yes?

 

[TexanKnight]

Tex,

You believe that the Church was infallible in discerning the Canon of NT scripture…yes?

define infallible. Do I believe the NT was inspired by God? Yes

 

[Stephen168]

You are still not reading. It MUST be HIS body…not just a symbol. Stop trying to correct Jesus…He knew what he was saying.

Give up the bread and water of prison and come HOME!

Ok…So, Jesus saying THIS IS MY BODY is unclear and needs your interpretation?

And yet you use wonderbread and water. Again, bread and water is prison food. Come out of the LDS prison into truth.

I was not mocking you and you know it. So do not play the victim I am stating a fact. Prison food is bread and water and I consider you to be in prison.

That is your opinion, and it is disrespectful in what I assume is supposed to be a civil discourse on my faith.

Really? Your missionaries (you never answered if you were one) tell people what they believe is wrong. Your Church has a history of calling the Catholic Church the Church of the Devil. Your temple ceremonies portray Catholics priests as agents of Satan (or at least did until I stopped attending in 1989). Please do not claim disrespect where none is intended while painting Catholics they way you do.

 

[TexanKnight]

Stephen168:
Ahhhh…a trip through memory lane. Thank you so very much.

Let me give you some more.

I once believed that abortion was fine. I once thought 40 was really old. I once proclaimed that Santa was real. I once was a male stripper. I used to be Democrat.

Then…I grew up…things changed. Perspectives refocused. God spoke…

It happens. As we grow and study, changes occur.

 

[lax16]

Ahhhh…a trip through memory lane. Thank you so very much.

Let me give you some more.

I once believed that abortion was fine. I once thought 40 was really old. I once proclaimed that Santa was real. I once was a male stripper. I used to be Democrat.

Then…I grew up…things changed. Perspectives refocused. God spoke…

It happens. As we grow and study, changes occur.

You believe the apostasy did happen? You believe that Jesus founded a Church that couldn’t/didn’t last? You believe the Holy Spirit is no longer guiding the Church? You no longer believe in the Real Presence?

 

[TexanKnight]

You believe the apostasy did happen? You believe that Jesus founded a Church that couldn’t/didn’t last? You believe the Holy Spirit is no longer guiding the Church? You no longer believe in the Real Presence?

I hesitate to answer completely for fear of getting banned.

I believe the apostasy occurred. I could enumerate all the things that Catholic Popes and Bishops did to support that, but I won’t.

I believe that Jesus did not fail. I believe He chose to start over.

Did God fail when HIS world needed a restart after the flood where God wiped out the entire world save one family? No. People made choices and consequences happened. God started over. Same with the Church. People made choices, consequences happened, Jesus started over. Is that failure? I do not believe so.

What the Spirit does and when is not my call. I believe I am doing what the Holy Spirit has led me to do. I believe I am with the Church that Christ “restarted”.

I hope that answers your question.

 

[lax16]

“As far as I know, God’s commandments are mandatory. I am not sure if it is intentional, but you have not responded to my points about selling ordinances and things like indulgences”.

It is still up to each person to decide to follow God’s commandments. Should a church mandate that each person tithe or they can’t be a member? What about free will?

As far as selling ordinances and indulgences…first one has to believe that the Catholic Church is not the church founded by Jesus and protected by the Holy Spirit until the end of time. If one does not believe that, then all of these arguments are an attempt to justify falling away from the faith and to try to convince others to do the same.

 

[Stephen168]

I have found that most have thoughts about other churches that are not accurate.

I guess sometimes it is best to look at what unites us

As a Catholic, I went to confession often. As an LDS, I confess daily. I do not need a 40-day period to delve more deeply…I do so constantly.

 

[Stephen168]

Yes, I have checked the out. It just not the same as asking somehow “How does your Catholic faith affect your life?”, which is more what I’m interested in.

I think every Catholic would give you a different answer.
I think Dorothy’s response to OP would be a common thread. We are thankful.
Thankful for God and his creation.
Thankful for his Church and his sacraments
Thankful for the incarnation and the eucharist.

I’m comforted knowing I’m in the Church that established the canon of the New Testament, the dates for Easter, and Christmas.

I’m grounded in a set of beliefs about God and the eucharist which have never changed.

Yes, very thankful.

 

[TexanKnight]

As far as I know, God’s commandments are mandatory. I am not sure if it is intentional, but you have not responded to my points about selling ordinances and things like indulgences.

It is still up to each person to decide to follow God’s commandments. Should a church mandate that each person tithe or they can’t be a member? What about free will?

If you are LDS and do not pay tithing, your are still a member. There are certain things you cannot do. This is the same with Catholic Church…if you commit certain sins, you are not supposed to take communion. I married a non-Catholic, so I was unable to take communion. You see, there are consequences for no following the commands of God. But just because one does not tithe does not mean they are kicked out of the LDS Church. As to free will…can you commit adultery and take the sacrament? Nope. What about free will?

As far as selling ordinances and indulgences…first one has to believe that the Catholic Church is not the church founded by Jesus and protected by the Holy Spirit until the end of time. If one does not believe that, then all of these arguments are an attempt to justify falling away from the faith and to try to convince others to do the same.

I am not justifying anything. This started because someone compared missionaries to salesmen. I simply wanted to point out that selling baptisms, weddings, indulgences, etc. makes a pretty good argument to who sells what. If one does not believe, then good will not be seen. If one does believe, then one will accept even the most incredible things…right?

 

[TexanKnight]

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Originally Posted by TexanKnight View Post
I have found that most have thoughts about other churches that are not accurate.

I guess sometimes it is best to look at what unites us

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Originally Posted by TexanKnight View Post
As a Catholic, I went to confession often. As an LDS, I confess daily. I do not need a 40-day period to delve more deeply…I do so constantly.

Yes. Did you have a point?

 

[iepuras]

Cost of my Catholic Baptism, Confirmation and First Communion = $0

Cost of my children’s Catholic Baptism = $0

Cost of my children’s Chrismation and First Communion = $0

Cost for our priest to come and bless our home every year = $0

Cost of my Catholic wedding = $0*

Annual cost to obtain temple recommend so I could be sealed in and LDS temple for free = $7,500

*The dispensation required to get married in the Catholic Church was rather complicated due to the fact that I was unbaptized, my husband is Greek Catholic and the priest is Roman Catholic. We had to pay a $35 administrative fee to the Greek Catholic eparch (bishop) to prepare the dispensation paperwork and send it to the Holy See for approval. The priest paid the fee and refused to allow us to pay. We ended up making a contribution to the parish’s capital campaign because of the kindness of the priest.

 

[jane_doe]

I think every Catholic would give you a different answer.
I think Dorothy’s response to OP would be a common thread. We are thankful.
Thankful for God and his creation.
Thankful for his Church and his sacraments
Thankful for the incarnation and the eucharist.

I’m comforted knowing I’m in the Church that established the canon of the New Testament, the dates for Easter, and Christmas.

I’m grounded in a set of beliefs about God and the eucharist which have never changed.

Yes, very thankful.

Thank you for your thoughts Stephen.

 

[TexanKnight]

Cost of my Catholic Baptism, Confirmation and First Communion = $0

Cost of my children’s Catholic Baptism = $0

Cost of my children’s Chrismation and First Communion = $0

Cost for our priest to come and bless our home every year = $0

Cost of my Catholic wedding = $0*

Annual cost to obtain temple recommend so I could be sealed in and LDS temple for free = $7,500

*The dispensation required to get married in the Catholic Church was rather complicated due to the fact that I was unbaptized, my husband is Greek Catholic and the priest is Roman Catholic. We had to pay a $35 administrative fee to the Greek Catholic eparch (bishop) to prepare the dispensation paperwork and send it to the Holy See for approval. The priest paid the fee and refused to allow us to pay. We ended up making a contribution to the parish’s capital campaign because of the kindness of the priest.

You were lucky. Every parish I attended charged.

You claim 7500…I am guessing that was the tithe the Lord Commanded?

And since you paid zero I am assuming you NEVER contributed in the two collection plates at every mass?

or to the yearly Bishop’s Collection Goal?

or the yearly parish collection goal?

That is sad. I contributed in all. See, I tithed as a Catholic. The Lord said to.

 

[jane_doe]

It is still up to each person to decide to follow God’s commandments. Should a church mandate that each person tithe or they can’t be a member? What about free will?

A Mormon who does not pay tithing is still a member and can contribute to the church community in many ways.

But, paying tithing is a commandment (one of the basic ones), so if a person is not yet willing to follow that commandment, they are for the time kept from making higher commitments-- such would simply be damning to their spiritual development.

It is actually very similar to how Catholics not in a state of Grace are kept (or should keep themselves) from taking Communion.

 

[Marie5890]

I’m glad the article has been removed, I was disappointed by it. I love having advent and lent as seasons where I can really concentrate on my spiritual life and see where I’m lacking. For instance this lent I’m working on my prayer life. My husband and I have family prayers in the evening and we pray together on our way into work every morning but my personal prayer life is very lacking. So I’m giving up something (time) and I’m giving it to God. I’m getting up a half hour early every morning so I can pray the rosary by myself and read some scripture or a spiritual book.

But that doesn’t mean I don’t examine my conscience at any other time of the year! I usually attend confession at least twice a month and for me I actually find I examine myself more now that I’m a Catholic than when I was a Mormon.

As a Mormon I thought that since I was doing all the things I was supposed to do, going to church, taking the sacrament, reading my scriptures, praying, avoiding sexual sin, keeping the word of wisdom, holding a calling, all that stuff, that I was doing pretty good and I never really took a hard look at myself and saw how much I had to work on. I knew that I still had “minor” imperfections but I was never really going to be perfect was I? And so I never felt the need to look deeper into my soul.

As a Catholic, whenever I do an examination of conscience I realize how I fall short on a regular basis. SoI go to confession and repent and keep trying. The difference for me now is that I’m aware of these sins and I repent of them and try to not commit them again. And some things (gossip, uncharitable thoughts, little white lies, gluttony) were never even on my radar as sins that I needed to repent of and avoid when I was Mormon.

MomaKate this also has been my experience.

I find when I do a serious examine of conscience, I realize just how much I need God’s mercy, and His grace. Im left all the more in awe and humble of His love for me,

 

[TexanKnight]

MomaKate this also has been my experience.

I find when I do a serious examine of conscience, I realize just how much I need God’s mercy, and His grace. Im left all the more in awe and humble of His love for me,

That is soooo true. Each week, when I take the Sacrament, I do the same examination and am totally in awe

 

[lax16]

TexanKnight:

If you are LDS and do not pay tithing, your are still a member. There are certain things you cannot do. This is the same with Catholic Church…if you commit certain sins, you are not supposed to take communion. I married a non-Catholic, so I was unable to take communion. You see, there are consequences for no following the commands of God. But just because one does not tithe does not mean they are kicked out of the LDS Church. As to free will…can you commit adultery and take the sacrament? Nope. What about free will?

It is not the same. Can you go to the temple without a recommend? No.
Can anyone go into a church, cathedral and St. Peter’s Basilica? Yes.

Can I commit adultery and take communion? Yes. Should I? No.

I am not justifying anything. This started because someone compared missionaries to salesmen. I simply wanted to point out that selling baptisms, weddings, indulgences, etc. makes a pretty good argument to who sells what. If one does not believe, then good will not be seen. If one does believe, then one will accept even the most incredible things…right?

You wouldn’t be here on CAF insisting that the Catholc Church does this wrong and that wrong if you weren’t trying to convince everyone that the church started by Joseph Smith (!) were the right church.

 

[lax16]

A Mormon who does not pay tithing is still a member and can contribute to the church community in many ways.

But, paying tithing is a commandment (one of the basic ones), so if a person is not yet willing to follow that commandment, they are for the time kept from making higher commitments-- such would simply be damning to their spiritual development.

It is actually very similar to how Catholics not in a state of Grace are kept (or should keep themselves) from taking Communion.

Are they a member in good standing? What privileges are revoked by not paying?

 

[TexanKnight]

It is not the same. Can you go to the temple without a recommend? No.

True

Can anyone go into a church, cathedral and St. Peter’s Basilica? Yes.

But, if you are breaking the commandments can you take communion? no. can you get married in the Church? no. essentially, the things we go to the temple to do…so…it is a lot the same

Can I commit adultery and take communion? Yes. Should I? No.

Wrong. If the priest knows…he should not let you. Now…if you are not honest with the priest…then you are taking it wrongly and deceivingly. Your call.

You wouldn’t be here on CAF insisting that the Catholc Church does this wrong and that wrong if you weren’t trying to convince everyone that the church started by Joseph Smith (!) were the right church.

You know better than that. I have been back two days. Have I insisted the Catholic Church is wrong? No. I have defended The LDS Church and answered your questions. I have not once said the Catholic is wrong. Not once. I have said I believe I am where the Holy Spirit wants me. I have stated I am in the Church I believe Jesus restarted. When comments have been made, I have showed where our Churches are similar. But I have not once said the Catholic Church is wrong. Nor am I trying to convince anyone of the truth of the LDS Church. I have simply responded to statements and questions.