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No. 1holycatholic’s post was equally infantile by not giving any reasons, and just saying that it can’t be done. I much prefer Bishop Soto’s approach of giving reasons for "no"s that are grounded in "yes"es. I’m not an unreasonable person, but if something can be done, I will find a way, even if no one else can see it.
No 1holy catholics post was not infantile, he/she quite simply stated the truth, You cannot be both Mormon and Catholic, because you post absurd and childish comments does not make it so! You cannot find a way to be both Mormon and Catholic because is does not exsist. The reason others cannot see it is because it just is not so, you sound like a petulant child who cannot have his/her own way.

Incidentally I was not aware just how silly, nonsensical and absurd Mormonism was untill you suppled that info. Claiming you are both Catholic and Mormon just makes you sound rediculous,
 
No 1holy catholics post was not infantile, he/she quite simply stated the truth, You cannot be both Mormon and Catholic, because you post absurd and childish comments does not make it so! You cannot find a way to be both Mormon and Catholic because is does not exsist. The reason others cannot see it is because it just is not so, you sound like a petulant child who cannot have his/her own way.

Incidentally I was not aware just how silly, nonsensical and absurd Mormonism was untill you suppled that info. Claiming you are both Catholic and Mormon just makes you sound ridiculous,
And to prove your point.
People are laughing at you, not with you.

ETA: and may I add, pitying you, as well.
 
Oh come on you Mormons! At least be honest! There’s a gigantic divide between Catholicism and Mormonism. I know it. I deal with it every day in my life since my daughter “jumped ship” (Yes, the missionaries don’t like the saying, but look it up–the Catholic Church is nicknamed “the barque of Peter”. 😉 )

There is a difference and you all know it. Don’t believe? Why do you think the LDS forbid non-LDS to witness their convert children’s weddings? And if I shared Faith stories about our elder brother sisters in Christ with my grandchildren, taught them to make Rosaries (did offer my convert daughter and her husband :p–they refused ), made or bought my grandchildren “Catholic” jewelry, gave them “Catholic” videos or books or CDs for Christmas or other holidays, prayed “Catholic” prayers before meals, how long do you think I would be allowed any relationship with them? And so, along with the Faith and Spirituality, they are bereft of their Sacraments and their rich heritage, stories, prayers and even activities.

A person can be Catholic or LDS–but there is no way that he can be both if he is honest with himself. We all know it. You are only fooling yourself. You are not fooling any of us.
 
The arguments against Mormonism’s Christianity are largely unconvincing to an unbiased audience, though even if they were, being Christian in one sense makes me Christian by default in the same way that wet + dry = wet.
Mormons are polytheists. Christians are monotheists.

Polytheism is not monotheism.

You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. :rolleyes:
 
My Catholic extended family (on my dad’s side) prays with my Mormon immediate family, and my life-long Mormon mom gave me my first rosary.
You have lied before. And you have admitted to those lies. I do not believe you.
 
Then don’t believe me. But I am telling the truth. Why is it so hard to believe that an inter-faith family can get along?
Because you lie and nothing you say is trustworthy. The real thing that makes me worried about you is in four or five years when you are old enough to drive, will you treat other drivers and the traffic laws with the same disrespect and contempt that you treat everyone, with no exceptions, here?
 
There you go begging the question again. I’m not convinced that Mormons are polytheists and neither are most other Mormons. Mormon scriptures specifically state that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One God.
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Joseph Smith declared, “I will preach on the plurality of Gods. . . . I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and that these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods” (History of the Church 6:474).
Three is always more than one, even for Mormons. 😉
 
And please tell me you at least know of some healthy inter-faith families. They’re not that uncommon, you know.
I know. My family consists of various Christians-quite a few denominations of Protestants and of course, Catholic. Still we can have something in common. Mormonism, however, has different beliefs and we also all have to be wary of proseltyzing now (and then there’s that “Baptism of the Dead” thing or disrespect for the dead–if they can’t get you in life–they’ll get you in death.).
 
These passages carry more weight than Smith’s impromptu utterances.

“And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.”

“Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.”
D&C 132: 37
37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
LDS teaching is that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are gods.
 
In the context of larger Mormon theology, that’s roughly equivalently to the Catholic Church declaring someone a saint. 2 Nephi 31:21 and D&C 20:28 are very clear on the matter, and anything else has to be taken with them in account.
No it is not. Saints do not have god-like powers or knowledge. If the BoM meant to say they were in Heaven, then it would say that. It did not, it says they are gods.
 
, and my life-long Mormon mom gave me my first rosary. (I didn’t even ask her for one. She just thought I might enjoy it.)
Really come on now, you really want us to believe she gave you rosary because she thought you might enjoy it. that comment made me laugh.

Did you have any idea how to say or the rosary? or what it was about? How exactly were you supposed to enjoy it? Your credability is shot, what you are posting now is just plain funny! andlike rpp said not believable.:whistle:
 
What does theosis mean to you?

And that was from the Doctrine and Covenants, not the Book of Mormon.
I am done conversing with a liar, wielder of witchcraft and a pot stirer. You are simply unworthy of any attention.
 
Polytheism lives in the LDS! Whoopie!

And I’m going to Hell for being merely Catholic.

Peace,

Gail

P.S. Sorry for sounding so derogatory, but I’m tired and it’s time for prayers…
 
This is how I see it, and it’s authentic, if unpopular, in Mormonism as a whole.
so, what do you make of this:

‘I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”’
 
My Catholic extended family (on my dad’s side) prays with my Mormon immediate family, and my life-long Mormon mom gave me my first rosary. (I didn’t even ask her for one. She just thought I might enjoy it.)
The other poster is correct. The rosary is not to be ‘enjoyed’ but used as a means of adoration for christ and intercession.

However, if your mom gave you the rosary when you were a child then I might see why she said what she said. 🙂
 
What part of the statement “Jesus is God” don’t you understand?
And yet, I have heard priests pray heavenly father in the name of christ. In fact, most EV sects pray to the father in the name of christ, including Rory and Wendy Alec who run GOD TV.

How many gods are there? :confused:
 
And yet, I have heard priests pray heavenly father in the name of christ. In fact, most EV sects pray to the father in the name of christ, including Rory and Wendy Alec who run GOD TV.

How many gods are there? :confused:
As Jesus showed us with the Lords prayer payer We pray to god our father. When we pray in the name of Christ our Savior our Lord we are but acknowledging that it is through the Son we as gentiles have been brought into a new covenant with God. I conclude most of my prayers " in Christ name I pray".

I acknowledge but one God in the Trinity of the Father Son and Holy ghost. 3 in One. as the Nicaean Creed state that they are one in being.

It is quit clear however that Mormons do not hold to this understanding that they hold that the Father Son and Holy Ghost are all 3 separate and all 3 gods. That my dear whyme and Tsuzuki is why you can not be a Catholic and a Mormon the basic understanding of who ans what the Trinity is is incompatible.

This is not said to be mean or hateful it is just plain simple fact. Also if the things that JS has been accredited with saying are being thought by Mormons weather or not they appear in Mormon scripture is not important. they are in official text put out by the LSD being taught as truths of faith. And your argument that Js never wrote down the speech in question but that this is what 2 others wrote of hearing him say is also a bunk if he did not say it and did not believe it were is his statement refuting it?

An another thing we have evidence all over the world of the cities and peoples going back 2, 3, 4 and more years ago. Coins, Weapons. ruins of city walls and building. To date there has been not one shred of evidence to support the tales of the BoM found anywhere in the Americas. Why? I say it because it is a work of fiction.
 
Mormons are embarrassed about this doctrine and so they try to deny it’s really taught. Even President Hinckley denied it was taught when the proof is right on the LDS web site that it is taught! Mormons are just “lying for the Lord” when they try this tactic. Pretty dishonest.
This is pretty much the way I see it: It is a “advanced” doctrine which is denied and downplayed on the outside, but once you become a member you are not a “true Moromon” unless you believe it.
According to the Bible, it is possible to add to the glory of God:Matthew 5:

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

John 12:

28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

John 14:

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 15:

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.And here is a well-known quote from modern LDS scripture:Moses 1:

39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.To “glorify” someone means to add to or increase their glory. God increases or adds to His own glory by bringing about the salvation and redemption of man. Jesus adds to the glory of God by helping in that process (with the Atonement). Likewise we add to the glory of God in our own small ways by helping to further that cause.
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No. God cannot be added or subtracted from. Those passages mean the transcendent Glory of God is more fully revealed to His creatures. When someone realizes a Truth more fully and they say, “Glory be to God!” that means THEY THEMSELF recognized God’s Glory in a more profound way, NOT that they were adding onto God.

You left this critical remark off of your John 12 quote:28Father, glorify your name!" Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
30Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine.
 
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