LDS: King Follett Sermon - WOW! WOW! WOW!

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tundramom said:
So did the moderators take off T’s “mormon rite” or did he do it himself?

If so, what made you decide to take it off of your signature line T?

in Christ
Steph
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He said in another thread that the moderators removed it.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Have you ever stopped and thought this through?

Every person’s experience is different. If your god lived at one time on another planet, you can’t even begin to assume what that god’s life was like. Did he live a life of luxury? Was there such a thing on that planet? Did he live in poverty? Did he ever go hungry or was he always fed? Did he go through life healthy and live to 90 years (is that earth years or god’s planet years?) or was he mentally retarded with multiple health problems and died at age 4? Did he give birth? Did he have a large family or was he infertile. Did he marry at all? Did he worry over stock market crashes? Did he have a kingdom on the Nile river? Did he milk cows and farm and worry over rain and healthy calves? Did bullies pick on him at school or was he voted most popular? Did he go to school? Did he receive loving nurture or endless torture?

What, experiences, exactly did your god have that made it possible that he has “been there done that” in relationship to every single experience that every single person who has ever been born would have?

Sounds to me like your god is you.
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Excellent. I can’t say I’ve been through the life of a baby aborted before birth. But God has. He was with that baby from the moment of conception so he understands that better than I ever could.
 
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!
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Nothing new here, Paul wrote about such things a long time ago:

Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
 
AMDGtoo said:
God created us. He doesn’t need to understand us. It is more than obvious that it is we who don’t understand Him.
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No doubt that god created us. We are his spirit children. But the question of who is god, is the issue here. JS took the notion of god into a new direction. I can’t see how god can understand us adequately if he had no experience as a human being. For god to create life without knowledge of what that life contains would be dreadful for us all.

And I might add, because we have physical bodies, a body that according to more orthodox christianity god never had, we are basically more knowledgeable than god at least in our humanness.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Have you ever stopped and thought this through?

Every person’s experience is different. If your god lived at one time on another planet, you can’t even begin to assume what that god’s life was like. Did he live a life of luxury? Was there such a thing on that planet? Did he live in poverty? Did he ever go hungry or was he always fed? Did he go through life healthy and live to 90 years (is that earth years or god’s planet years?) or was he mentally retarded with multiple health problems and died at age 4? Did he give birth? Did he have a large family or was he infertile. Did he marry at all? Did he worry over stock market crashes? Did he have a kingdom on the Nile river? Did he milk cows and farm and worry over rain and healthy calves? Did bullies pick on him at school or was he voted most popular? Did he go to school? Did he receive loving nurture or endless torture?

What, experiences, exactly did your god have that made it possible that he has “been there done that” in relationship to every single experience that every single person who has ever been born would have?

Sounds to me like your god is you.
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Because he lived in human form. All humans share common ground. We suffer hunger, joy, pain, temptation, goodness, evil etc. And most importantly, we have emphathy. The human experience is not that different for each individual. We may have different biographies but the human experience is not that different for each person.
 
BartBurk said:
He claims to be Catholic with a Mormon wife and children. He claims he attends mass every week. I think he may also claim to have been baptized Mormon at one time, but I’m not sure about that.
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I was christened a catholic as a baby. I joined the lds church at 18. I now attend Mass quite regularly a few times a week, if possible. 🙂
 
why_me said:
But the question of who is god, is the issue here. JS took the notion of god into a new direction. I can’t see how god can understand us adequately if he had no experience as a human being. .
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Do you deny Jesus, or do you assume we do? :confused: God knows our every thought, and all our experiences, far beyond the wisest person living. How can you limit him like that?
 
1holycatholic said:
The book of mormon is irrelevant. Joseph Smith started a new, previously unknown polytheistic religion. Smith’s religion incorporates popular fads from that time.

Since polytheism is impossible, Mormonism is false.
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It is not a bad book and if read for its religious instruction, it can be quite helpful and interesting. To think that a man wrote such a book is quite a fete because it is filled with god, christ, civilization and religious instruction.
 
Most of the good content of the BOM is quoted or paraphrased from the Bible.
 
why_me said:
Because he lived in human form. All humans share common ground. We suffer hunger, joy, pain, temptation, goodness, evil etc. And most importantly, we have emphathy. The human experience is not that different for each individual. We may have different biographies but the human experience is not that different for each person.
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Who do you believe created these things about you? Don’t you believe that the One who created you would know???

If you build something, don’t you understand quite well everything about it?

Honestly whyme, do you believe your capacity for joy is accidental?
 
That is encouraging. I was concerned that people with limited access to American history would be more prone to being sucked in by BOM BS. So the counter to it is more based on theology than history?
 
Yes, their training in Marxism probably gave them a healthy dose of skepticism.
 
why_me said:
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we are basically more knowledgeable than god at least in our humanness.
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That is probably one of the most arrogant statements I have ever read.

How does anyone possible believe that? God created us he is the one who gave us our humaness, He made us, he and only he knows just exactly how we are made. He and only he knows exactly how we think, he and only he knows everyones humaness. He most certainly does not have to learn from us about our humaness, he is the one who made us!
 
That’s the problem with Mormonism - it does not believe or teach that God created “humanness”. Therefore they find it easy to believe that without a physical body, God the Father could not understand human nature.
 
tundramom said:
So did the moderators take off T’s “mormon rite” or did he do it himself?

If so, what made you decide to take it off of your signature line T?

in Christ
Steph
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I still see the same signature.
RebeccaJ said:
Have you ever stopped and thought this through?

Every person’s experience is different. If your god lived at one time on another planet, you can’t even begin to assume what that god’s life was like. Did he live a life of luxury? Was there such a thing on that planet? Did he live in poverty? Did he ever go hungry or was he always fed? Did he go through life healthy and live to 90 years (is that earth years or god’s planet years?) or was he mentally retarded with multiple health problems and died at age 4? Did he give birth? Did he have a large family or was he infertile. Did he marry at all? Did he worry over stock market crashes? Did he have a kingdom on the Nile river? Did he milk cows and farm and worry over rain and healthy calves? Did bullies pick on him at school or was he voted most popular? Did he go to school? Did he receive loving nurture or endless torture?

What, experiences, exactly did your god have that made it possible that he has “been there done that” in relationship to every single experience that every single person who has ever been born would have?

Sounds to me like your god is you.
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:clapping:
 
Tsuzuki said:
He’s both, just as I and RebeccaJ are. You can’t un-Catholic yourself, and both I and RebeccaJ are still on the official rolls of the LDS church.
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This is factually incorrect. Engaging in the heresy of Mormonism causes you to separate yourself from the Body of Christ. You may think you are still Catholic, but in order to accept Mormon beliefs, you must reject essential Catholic beliefs, thus separating yourself from the Church, “un-Catholicing” yourself as it were. You cannot be both.
 
Tsuzuki said:
Heresy is different from schism. And my (deranged, apparently) mind is able to accept Mormon beliefs without rejecting essential Catholic ones.
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Mormons don’t believe in God. That’s impossible to reconcile with Catholicism.
 
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