LDS Position on Abortion

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CCC#2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56

It would seem that the Catholic Church values ALL human life not just the born:)
What life does the Mormon value?
 
It is in line with what is reasonable. It is in line with what makes sense. The Catholics here want to tell me that the life of the foetus is more important than the life of the mother. If there is a choice between saving the life of the mother or the foetus, you save the foetus and kill the mother! That is a ludicrous suggestion. It is an absurd idea. It is criminal even.
So, if a murderer broke into a Mormon home threatening to kill the family, a Mormon mother would say, “Kill the child, not me! My life is more valuable!’” It sounds to me like you have your values backward by calling the efforts of a mother to save the life of her child over her own as “criminal”.
That is why Catholics don’t want to obey it.
Which “Catholics” don’t obey it? Faithful Catholics? I don’t think so.
People have a sixth sense that tells them if a doctrine is right or wrong; and if they perceive that it is wrong they simply don’t obey it, or they rebel against it.
People fall into sin when they ignore the laws of the Father and decide that “the time isn’t right” or “this will interfere with *my *life”. It’s called self-centeredness in place of God-centeredness.
The tragedy of that situation then is that they may then reject the would idea, and don’t want to obey it even under those circumstances when it is right that they should. They may even lose confidence in the whole institution, and won’t want to obey any of the rules!
We don’t have a “choice” to decide which of God’s rules we can follow. Thou shalt not kill. That’s a Commandment for all time.
That is why there are more Catholic women practising abortion than Protestant ones, and certainly more than LDS ones.
Number of exceptions for a woman to get an abortion in the Mormon church: 2+

Number of exceptions for a woman to get an abortion in the Catholic Church: 0

Murder is murder. The Catholic Church is the only Church to value the dignity of life from natural conception to natural death without exception.
When a religion dies, it can’t think straight any more. It strains at a gnat and looses sight of the “weightier matters”.
This has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The Church has been alive for 2,000 years. The gates have not prevailed against it.
Somebody once asked Joseph Smith once how he was able to govern such a large group of people. He replied, “I teach them correct principle, and they govern themselves”.
Joseph Smith invented a religion. An angel named Moroni did not lead him to golden plates. He did not receive divine inspiration to translate them. He was a very inventive science fiction writer, not a prophet. It is blasphemy to teach that God was not always “a god” and that Mormons will one day have the possibility to become gods and rule their own planets. These are all lies and Joseph Smith was a liar.
But when a religion dies it gets stuck in the past, and loses the ability to adapt to new situations, and to identify and teach correct principles. When you teach people correct principles, they have an innate ability to recognize that it is correct, and want to obey it.
When did the Commandment against killing become outdated?
The Catholic rule of priestly celibacy is another example of such crazy practices of the Catholic Church which has absolutely no sense at all. The “writing is on the wall” for the Catholics!
Celibacy is entirely biblical.

Read more here:

scripturecatholic.com/the_priesthood.html

Jesus Himself was celibate. Although, Joseph Smith created a blasphemous teaching that Jesus married and that he was descended from Jesus, did he not? But then, Joseph Smith had 34 wives so “continence” was not his strong suit.
 
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Awesome post…may I say that I totally agree with every FINE point that you have made!!!👍
So, if a murderer broke into a Mormon home threatening to kill the family, a Mormon mother would say, “Kill the child, not me! My life is more valuable!’” It sounds to me like you have your values backward by calling the efforts of a mother to save the life of her child over her own as “criminal”.

Which “Catholics” don’t obey it? Faithful Catholics? I don’t think so.

People fall into sin when they ignore the laws of the Father and decide that “the time isn’t right” or “this will interfere with *my *life”. It’s called self-centeredness in place of God-centeredness.

We don’t have a “choice” to decide which of God’s rules we can follow. Thou shalt not kill. That’s a Commandment for all time.

Number of exceptions for a woman to get an abortion in the Mormon church: 2+

Number of exceptions for a woman to get an abortion in the Catholic Church: 0

Murder is murder. The Catholic Church is the only Church to value the dignity of life from natural conception to natural death without exception.

This has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The Church has been alive for 2,000 years. The gates have not prevailed against it.

Joseph Smith invented a religion. An angel named Moroni did not lead him to golden plates. He did not receive divine inspiration to translate them. He was a very inventive science fiction writer, not a prophet. It is blasphemy to teach that God was not always “a god” and that Mormons will one day have the possibility to become gods and rule their own planets. These are all lies and Joseph Smith was a liar.

When did the Commandment against killing become outdated?

Celibacy is entirely biblical.

Read more here:

scripturecatholic.com/the_priesthood.html

Jesus Himself was celibate. Although, Joseph Smith created a blasphemous teaching that Jesus married and that he was descended from Jesus, did he not? But then, Joseph Smith had 34 wives so “continence” was not his strong suit.
 
Number of exceptions for a woman to get an abortion in the Mormon church: 2+

Number of exceptions for a woman to get an abortion in the Catholic Church: 0

Murder is murder. The Catholic Church is the only Church to value the dignity of life from natural conception to natural death without exception.

Murder is murder. Abortion to save the mother’s life is not murder. No one will ever convince me (or the rabbis or, apparently, the Mormons) otherwise.
 
Murder is murder. Abortion to save the mother’s life is not murder. No one will ever convince me (or the rabbis or, apparently, the Mormons) otherwise.
now Valke…we have been over this…didnt all those Catholics PM you and explain this to you;) (just kidding)
 
How about the lady down the street who has church callings, is PTO president, and is going to school. All this while maintaining a household with 4 kids and a husband.
Well, I’ve seen this sort of overcommitment before in a few Christian women. The families were NOT in good shape. Ultimately ended in divorce in one case of a close friend. What you describe above, a mother of 4 and a husband, along with PTO president, going to school, ya da ya da, that is the very description of an overcommitted woman. The only way that sort of situation would work is if it is a very unconventional family, such as independently wealthy so that hubby doesn’t have to work 12/6 for a corporation, for example.
 
Murder is murder. Abortion to save the mother’s life is not murder. No one will ever convince me (or the rabbis or, apparently, the Mormons) otherwise.
Killing a baby to save a mother’s life is not killing? I don’t agree. But then, in Jewish theology, a baby is only a partial life. So, do you only kill the part of the baby that is alive to save the mother’s life?
 
now Valke…we have been over this…didnt all those Catholics PM you and explain this to you;) (just kidding)
I think I’m talking this off of my “talking topics” lists. Let’s pick something safe to talk about. Like euthenaisa!
 
I think I’m talking this off of my “talking topics” lists. Let’s pick something safe to talk about. Like euthenaisa!
LOL!
How about you pick another safe topic…how about property taxes in NJ;)
 
However, if there were a single, unwed mother in the Mormon community, I suspect she would be helped. Mormons seem to take care of members in tough straits.
Your suspicions would be wrong. As a divorced single Mom living in Utah County 16 years ago, I experienced something a little bit different. As long as I was busy being active in the church, yeah I was helped. As soon as I got a job and couldn’t participate more fully I was pretty much shunned.

in Christ
Steph
 
There should be NO EXCEPTION for abortion in ANY case!!! As a female, if my life were at stake i could not imagine saving myself before my own baby. The desire to save the child should be innate!

Isaiah 49:1
Listen to me, you islands;
hear this, you distant nations:
Before I was born the Lord called me;
from my birth he has made mention of my name.

Why is this so hard to understand Zerinus?.. just watch this link I came across from another thread. It is VERY difficult to watch. I cried, and feel like I as a pro-lifer in every circumstance I have done nothing to fight this injustice to our world’s unborn.

abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html

Peace Be With you all,

Regis University Student
 
There should be NO EXCEPTION for abortion in ANY case!!! As a female, if my life were at stake i could not imagine saving myself before my own baby. The desire to save the child should be innate!

Isaiah 49:1
Listen to me, you islands;
hear this, you distant nations:
Before I was born the Lord called me;
from my birth he has made mention of my name.

Why is this so hard to understand Zerinus?.. just watch this link I came across from another thread. It is VERY difficult to watch. I cried, and feel like I as a pro-lifer in every circumstance I have done nothing to fight this injustice to our world’s unborn.

abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html

Peace Be With you all,

Regis University Student
I never said that anyone should be forced to have an abortion. But I don’t think it would be ethical to force anyone to die rather than have an abortion.

zerinus
 
Thank you perez639 for supplying the link to this video. If more women who are considering an abortion would just LOOK and see what they are contemplating I believe there would be less abortions. There will still be those who don’t care and selfishly think of their own needs above that of their unborn child… but perhaps a few who are unaware of what actually happens in an abortion will change their minds.

in Christ
Steph
 
I never said that anyone should be forced to have an abortion. But I don’t think it would be ethical to force anyone to die rather than have an abortion.

zerinus
I don’t think it would be ethical to force anyone to die either. That’s why all abortion is wrong. Did you not realize that with abortion, someone always dies?
 
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