Lead plaintiff in Pennsylvania voter ID case gets her photo ID

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But what about the Republican fraudulent voters who are not so talented? Have you no pity for them?
Republicans are the ones putting in voter ID laws to prevent fraudulent voters, and Democrats are the ones opposed to it. Where do you think the fraudulent voters are? Obviously, they are on the side opposing voter ID laws.
 
Hold that thought and don’t let the topic change…What makes this woman special? Will that special treatment be available to other elders? What does a voter have to do to get the voter regulations violated in their favor AND most importantly, how is photo ID a guarantee against fraud if it can be obtained without a voter meeting the requirements? I’m confused…:confused: What values exactly are at play here?
Excellent questions. Does anyone who supports this law care to address them?
 
Hold that thought and don’t let the topic change…What makes this woman special? Will that special treatment be available to other elders? What does a voter have to do to get the voter regulations violated in their favor AND most importantly, how is photo ID a guarantee against fraud if it can be obtained without a voter meeting the requirements? I’m confused…:confused: What values exactly are at play here?
Excellent questions. Does anyone who supports this law care to address them?
From the article linked in the OP: State officials called it an unplanned exercise in what they’ve been saying for weeks: Clerks behind counters at Pennsylvania Department of Transportation centers can take age and other factors into consideration when granting exceptions to the list of documents the law requires, licensing bureau director Janet Dolan said.

“PennDot has said all along that they would work with folks on a case-by-case basis,” said Ron Ruman, a Department of State spokesman.

I know that DMVs are able to be pretty reasonable about this because when I was young, I had a problem similar to Mrs Applewhite’s. I have never had a problem getting an id, because despite some variation in paperwork, it is clear that all of it applies to me. And I was not born in a time when this sort of thing was loosely managed like Mrs Applewhite was.

Notice that at the very end of the article, they said that there was no sign the clerk recognized Mrs Applewhite.
 
From the article linked in the OP: State officials called it an unplanned exercise in what they’ve been saying for weeks: Clerks behind counters at Pennsylvania Department of Transportation centers can take age and other factors into consideration when granting exceptions to the list of documents the law requires, licensing bureau director Janet Dolan said.

“PennDot has said all along that they would work with folks on a case-by-case basis,” said Ron Ruman, a Department of State spokesman.

I know that DMVs are able to be pretty reasonable about this because when I was young, I had a problem similar to Mrs Applewhite’s. I have never had a problem getting an id, because despite some variation in paperwork, it is clear that all of it applies to me. And I was not born in a time when this sort of thing was loosely managed like Mrs Applewhite was.

Notice that at the very end of the article, they said that there was no sign the clerk recognized Mrs Applewhite.
It sounds like thge state is bending over backwards to get people what is required to comply with the law.
 
Republicans are the ones putting in voter ID laws to prevent fraudulent voters…
Now thats an interesting statement considering the fact that the State admitted that there was no evidence of in-person voter fraud in the first place nor do they have any reason to believe that it would occur in this election.
 
Now thats an interesting statement considering the fact that the State admitted that there was no evidence of in-person voter fraud in the first place.
You keep using no evidence of voter fraud like the government goes through every vote to see if it’s valid. There can be a lot of voter fraud and no one would know it.
 
You keep using no evidence of voter fraud like the government goes through every vote to see if it’s valid. There can be a lot of voter fraud and no one would know it.
There could also be unicorns ballroom dancing on Pluto and we wouldn’t know that either. If you specifically state in a legal document that you have no reason to believe that voter fraud will occur then there are obviously other motives behind the law.
 
There could also be unicorns ballroom dancing on Pluto and we wouldn’t know that either.
Could be, but unicorns ballroom dancing on Pluto don’t have any impact on elections. 🤷

I just wish Democrats would quit pretending they are worried about disenfranchising voters. As I’ve posted several times, with no challenge, there is no evidence that the supposed disenfranchising of legitimate voters would impact one party more than another. Democrats are just using that to cover up their fear that their fraudulent voting contingent won’t be able to fluff their numbers in states with voter ID laws.
 
I just wish Democrats would quit pretending they are worried about disenfranchising voters. As I’ve posted several times, with no challenge, there is no evidence that the supposed disenfranchising of legitimate voters would impact one party more than another. Democrats are just using that to cover up their fear that their fraudulent voting contingent won’t be able to fluff their numbers in states with voter ID laws.
That “fraudulent voting contingent” doesn’t exist according to the State of Pennsylvania and it doesn’t matter which party disenfranchisement would benefit; it’s wrong, illegal, unconstitutional, and I hope PA is ravaged in the courts when it occurs in November. Don’t forget that the constitutionality of such laws was only upheld on the condition that disenfranchisement does not occur in the election.
 
There could also be unicorns ballroom dancing on Pluto and we wouldn’t know that either. If you specifically state in a legal document that you have no reason to believe that voter fraud will occur then there are obviously other motives behind the law.
If I suspect someone is going to shoot you, should I go to the police with my suspicions or just keep my mouth shut.
 
That “fraudulent voting contingent” don’t exist according to the State of Pennsylvania and it doesn’t matter which party disenfranchisement would benefit; it wrong, illegal, and unconstitutional.
But, the Democrats claim that it will benefit the Republicans…with no evidence. Apparently, that lack of evidence doesn’t matter.

It is completely legitimate to request and require ID when voting. It is done in many countries. And, your “illegal and unconstitutional” claim doesn’t hold water. One state (Indiana) already won their challenge in the Supreme Court in 2008.

msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/ns/politics/t/supreme-court-upholds-voter-id-law/

Oh wait…let me guess…you don’t consider the Supreme Court’s ruling valid in this case, even though you trumpet the legitimacy of every other Supreme Court ruling on issues you disagree with…
 
If I suspect someone is going to shoot you, should I go to the police with my suspicions or just keep my mouth shut.
The State pointed out that it has no suspicion or belief that in-person voter fraud has occurred in the past or would occur in this election if the law were to be overturned.
 
That “fraudulent voting contingent” doesn’t exist according to the State of Pennsylvania and it doesn’t matter which party disenfranchisement would benefit; it’s wrong, illegal, unconstitutional, and I hope PA is ravaged in the courts when it occurs in November. Don’t forget that the constitutionality of such laws was only upheld on the condition that disenfranchisement does not occur in the election.
Where is all this disenfranchisement? You’d think Democrats are never allowed to vote.
 
Oh wait…let me guess…you don’t consider the Supreme Court’s ruling valid in this case, even though you trumpet the legitimacy of every other Supreme Court ruling on issues you disagree with…
As has been pointed out to you; the law was upheld on the condition that no disenfranchisement occurs. When it does at the polls that law will be scuttled in the blink of an eye.
 
As has been pointed out to you; the law was upheld on the condition that no disenfranchisement occurs. When it does at the polls that law will be scuttled in the blink of an eye.
Yep. So, the burden is on you to show real disenfranchisement…not on evidence of voter fraud. Ball’s in your court. As the OP of this thread shows, the claims so far are bogus. Again, obviously Democrats are just afraid that their illegitimate voters won’t be able to vote this year…
 
As has been pointed out to you; the law was upheld on the condition that no disenfranchisement occurs. When it does at the polls that law will be scuttled in the blink of an eye.
You mean when the Democrats find someone who’s never voted in their 50 or so years of life, and pay them a bunch of money to say they were barred from voting?
 
Again, obviously Democrats are just afraid that their illegitimate voters won’t be able to vote this year…
Those “illegitimate voters” don’t exist but I do find it interesting that the Democrats seem to be the only ones fighting for the right of the elderly, which generally swing to the right, to vote.
You mean when the Democrats find someone who’s never voted in their 50 or so years of life, and pay them a bunch of money to say they were barred from voting?
No, I mean the thousands of elderly men and women in the State who have voted for decades without any need of a photo-ID but will be forced to sit this one out because of the State’s shoddy record keeping.
 
Those “illegitimate voters” don’t exist.
If you say so…it’s the only logical explanation I can come up with for the Democrats fighting voter ID and claiming that Republicans benefit from voter ID.

The difference is that legitimate voters who currently don’t have ID can get it and vote. Illegitimate voters can’t. I’m sure they will come up with forgeries, and such, but there is a limit to how well fraud can be prevented. The basics are sufficient…according to the US Supreme Court…since they don’t present an unreasonable burden.
 
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