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marvin
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The Platform has 24 planks from Abortion to Welfare and Poverty. I support 23 of them.
#24 just happens to be the elephant in the room.
#24 just happens to be the elephant in the room.
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vern_humphrey
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Marvin has answered you.
You can SAY you don’t support abortion, but your money supports people who do. You can pretend you don’t support abortion, but if your party becomes the majority in Congress, the key chairman seats will all be filled with ardent pro-abortionists.
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Richardols
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vern humphrey:
And the money of an anti-war Republican supports the war. So what?
I believe that the pro-life work that my wife and I did here in Little Rock is at least, if not more, than the loudmouths on this Forum have done. So much for us “supporting abortion.”
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Richardols
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Conservatives on this Forum, not just I, have said that he didn’t do as much as he could for her. He copped out.
If you don’t know what it means, how can you comment?
Why? Have you no imagination? Don’t you know what the “conventions” for showing various feelings are? Look at the use of emoticons on this Forum. Would you rather have everyone spell out that they’re happy or smiling or are angry, etc.?
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Ruthmary
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I started life as a Democrat, and believed that Republicans were evil. I have to confess, shamefacedly, that I voted for Jimmy Carter twice. He professed to be a strong Christian, and after Nixon, I wanted to believe him, so I rationalized that he was just misunderstanding abortion, and that the Holy Spirit would show him where he was wrong. All during the '80s I was conflicted, not wanting to align myself with the ‘evil’ Republicans, and yet discouraged with the Democrat positions.
My mind was made up when Bill Clinton came out defending the death penalty, and said in a speech that the Democrat party was the pro-choice party. I have never voted Democrat since. I won’t vote for Democrat anything. Almost every time there’s a moral issue they come out on the wrong side. Then Mr. Clinton made a total mockery of the presidency. He may have been gifted by God with a brillliant mind and charismatic charm, but he’s misused his gifts, and used his great mind to fool everybody. For the one who said that Clinton was awesome, I challenge you to study up just a bit more on this man, who shamed our country. It’s almost unbelievable to me how he has gotten away with what he’s done. The more I find out about him, the less respect I have for him. I can barely look at his face. And if this is the best that the Democrats can come up with, then I want nothing to do with Democrats.
I recently heard a great quote from Noah Webster
*** “In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide…* When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.”* Noah Webster, Letters to a Young Gentleman
As Catholics, the teachings of the Church must guide us in our life choices, and that includes our voting choices. The Catholic Answers Voting Guide is a great little pamphlet that should be in every home.
God bless America, and may we use His blessings to spread the Good News of His Love
Ruthmary
My mind was made up when Bill Clinton came out defending the death penalty, and said in a speech that the Democrat party was the pro-choice party. I have never voted Democrat since. I won’t vote for Democrat anything. Almost every time there’s a moral issue they come out on the wrong side. Then Mr. Clinton made a total mockery of the presidency. He may have been gifted by God with a brillliant mind and charismatic charm, but he’s misused his gifts, and used his great mind to fool everybody. For the one who said that Clinton was awesome, I challenge you to study up just a bit more on this man, who shamed our country. It’s almost unbelievable to me how he has gotten away with what he’s done. The more I find out about him, the less respect I have for him. I can barely look at his face. And if this is the best that the Democrats can come up with, then I want nothing to do with Democrats.
I recently heard a great quote from Noah Webster
*** “In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide…* When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.”* Noah Webster, Letters to a Young Gentleman
As Catholics, the teachings of the Church must guide us in our life choices, and that includes our voting choices. The Catholic Answers Voting Guide is a great little pamphlet that should be in every home.
God bless America, and may we use His blessings to spread the Good News of His Love
Ruthmary
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Richardols
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Ruth, as one opposed to the death penalty (Bravo for you!) are you aware that the Republicans very much defend the death penalty?
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miguel
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I think Winston Churchill said it originally.
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mlchance
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vern humphrey:
:whacky:
– Mark L. Chance.
But that’s perfectly okay. Just ask Richardols. He’ll explain ad nauseum that abortion doesn’t kill children; therefore, what can be possibly be wrong with abortion?
:whacky:
– Mark L. Chance.
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Richardols
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I’ll just bet that you’re a real pro-lifer.
How many Saturday morning vigils have you made in front of an abortion mill saying the rosary with other pro-lifers? I’ve said hundreds over many years. What has your wife done for the pro-life cause? Mine ran an alternatives to abortion office for years here in Little Rock.
I suspect that my family has done more hands-on pro-life work than nearly all the self-proclaimed “pro-lifers” jawing about it on these threads.
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Robert_Bay
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I have had to delete some personal attacks off this thread. Please be careful before pressing ‘submit’
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KathleenElsie
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To me it is an individual that I vote for. It is a party that I belong to.
But in all cases it is the non-negotiable issues of the Catholic Church that are the reasons for that vote and for belonging to the party.
As long as abortion is considered a “right” of privacy by an individual will not receive my vote.
Softening of a view to get elected will not fool me. I and most of the people I talk to are far smarter then to fall for this tactic.
But in all cases it is the non-negotiable issues of the Catholic Church that are the reasons for that vote and for belonging to the party.
As long as abortion is considered a “right” of privacy by an individual will not receive my vote.
Softening of a view to get elected will not fool me. I and most of the people I talk to are far smarter then to fall for this tactic.
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vern_humphrey
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If you honestly oppose the war, you cannot ethically give money or support to groups that support the war.
But “Johnny does it, too” didn’t work when you tried it on your mother, so why try it on us.
Everyone else on the forum is a “loudmouth?” Is that your position?
I suspect you’d find many people on this forum who have done a lot for pro-life causes – and not supported pro-abortion politicians and parties while doing it.
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Richardols
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vern humphrey:
Suggesting that we not pay our taxes if we don’t?
No.
I don’t doubt that there are those who have done so. I’d love to hear a bit of testimony from those who have been or are in the trenches and where.
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vern_humphrey
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That’s what Jane Fonda did. Of course, the IRS simply took the amount owed out of her bank account.
Then why did you call them “loudmouths?”
That’s a rather fundamentalist Protestant approach, isn’t it? Most of us don’t see any point to getting up and bragging.
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Richardols
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vern humphrey:
You’re the one who said, “everyone else on the Forum is a loudmouth.” I denied that. But, some are.
No one has to brag. But, when someone accuses me of being pro-abortion, and I tell them what my family has done, I’d like to know what those accusers have done.
Except not being able to respond.
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vern_humphrey
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You said:
No one has called you a name – why do you need to call others names?
Well, from what I gather, they have worked to defeat pro-abortion politicians, not support and fund them.
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Richardols
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vern humphrey:
BTW, the posts Robert Bay removed above were an attack by ML Chance on me for being pro-abortion and my response to him.
My term was descriptive, not directed at any particular person. It’s not an ad hominem remark. As for “no one calling me a name,” there have been enough suggestions that I am pro-abortion.
BTW, the posts Robert Bay removed above were an attack by ML Chance on me for being pro-abortion and my response to him.
Well, I’d love to see a few examples of who was working in some pro-life politician’s campaign (I am aware of your foray into politics), but politics isn’t everything. I’d like to know who might be active in on-the-street anti-abortion work.
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vern_humphrey
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“Son of a bitch” is a descriptive term, too – but I wouldn’t advise you to describe someone that way while standing within arm’s length of them!http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
“Loudmouth” is a perjorative term. It is disrespectful and not properly used in gentlemanly debate.
Shall I send you the membership list of the Stone County Right to Life Committee? Shall we talk about those who work in things like Project Rachael. Or people who adopt the “unadoptables?”
Are we playing “I’m holier than you are?”
The question before the house is, can a Catholic support a political party which openly supports abortion on demand? Until that plank in the Democratic Party Platform is eliminated, we will continue to kill a million plus babies a year – and all the picketing and adoptions in the world won’t stop it.
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Ruthmary
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Yes, and I’m sorry about that. While I was conflicted in the ‘80s, that was the reason I used for not going Republican. I did research on that question, and found that the distinction is that abortion is an “intrinsic” evil, and the death penalty for criminals is not. It’s in the Cathechism.
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52089-2005Mar20.html
<McCarrick, like Hahn, noted that Article 2267 of the Catholic catechism, an authoritative compendium of church teaching, says the church “does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives” against a criminal. But the catechism also quotes John Paul II as saying that today, cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”>
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Richardols
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Exactly so. A consistent pro-life position should include opposition to both abortion and the death penalty.
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