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mlchance
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Well, you don’t have to argue it. You could just say, “You’re wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Leave me alone.”
– Mark L. Chance.
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– Mark L. Chance.
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StevenFrancis
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I would much rather it be taken seriously instead of being made a joke of on TV and in movies, and be regarded as the serious degredation of the dignity of human being that it is. Everyone involved with it is somebody’s daughter or son. Civil government would do all people a much greater favor by actually enforcing the laws that actually exist in most places, and seriously cracking down on not just the prostitutes, but the customers of the prostitutes as well. Beef up vice, and I said earlier, take it seriously, understanding that a great number of the prostitutes are also victims of human trafficking and are slaves of a kind.
Some thought from the catechism:
2355 Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit.139 Prostitution is a social scourge. It usually involves women, but also men, children, and adolescents (The latter two cases involve the added sin of scandal.). While it is always gravely sinful to engage in prostitution, the imputability of the offense can be attenuated by destitution, blackmail, or social pressure.
Peace,
Steve
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Linda_Marie
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Where I live, the police follow what is called a ‘containment policy’. While prostitution is legal, running a brothel is not. However, police turn a blind eye because the girls are actually safer in the brothel than on the streets. Only women are allowed to run a brothel but one of them was actually a surgically altered transgender but he was accepted as a woman. The brothels are ‘contained’ on one street and the hookers are not allowed to solicit on the streets or in the pubs. The police regularly inspect the brothels and frequently find drugs. It appears the only way the girls can stand it is if they are high on something. Also, despite the regular medicals, they also suffer a high rate of STD infections. They suffer from a number of psychological problems relating to their profession as well. Unlike Sydney though, Hay Street is clean. Perhaps it’s cause we are really not a very big town and policing it is much easier for us than for them.
I had a conversation once with one of the more infamous madames in town. Her payroll was being done by the accountant in the office next to me and she sat down to chat with me while her work was being done. She felt she was fullfilling a need but had been disowned by her family. This caused her great grief but not enough to leave the business.Sometimes some of her girls would come into the office to discuss their wages. They were pretty rough looking, hard used, lacking in self-respect.
They are lured into it by the high wages - $180 per hour, no skills required. Young girls probably think that it would be a good way to earn some money quickly while they decide what else they’d like to do. They have no idea of the down-side of having sex with any man who can pay.
Until I met some of the people involved, I thought that making it legal and attempting, at least, to protect the girls was a better way of dealing with it. Now, I’m not so sure. No matter what sort of protection, medical care etc is used, the girls still suffer.
It made it very hard for me, as a mother of sons, to raise my boys with a respect for women. The brothels are close to the supermarket and the girls sit out on their verandahs in their ‘working clothes’ from early evening. I was working full time and my dh lived on the minesite where he worked so I had no choice but to bring my boys with me shopping.There was no way to keep them from seeing the girls in their scanty negligees. Answering, “Mom, why are those girls dressed like that? What are they doing?” to a five year old is not easy. By the time they were in primary school, all the kids knew what went on at Hay Street. How do you protect their innocence when legal prostitution is in-their-face?
I had a conversation once with one of the more infamous madames in town. Her payroll was being done by the accountant in the office next to me and she sat down to chat with me while her work was being done. She felt she was fullfilling a need but had been disowned by her family. This caused her great grief but not enough to leave the business.Sometimes some of her girls would come into the office to discuss their wages. They were pretty rough looking, hard used, lacking in self-respect.
They are lured into it by the high wages - $180 per hour, no skills required. Young girls probably think that it would be a good way to earn some money quickly while they decide what else they’d like to do. They have no idea of the down-side of having sex with any man who can pay.
Until I met some of the people involved, I thought that making it legal and attempting, at least, to protect the girls was a better way of dealing with it. Now, I’m not so sure. No matter what sort of protection, medical care etc is used, the girls still suffer.
It made it very hard for me, as a mother of sons, to raise my boys with a respect for women. The brothels are close to the supermarket and the girls sit out on their verandahs in their ‘working clothes’ from early evening. I was working full time and my dh lived on the minesite where he worked so I had no choice but to bring my boys with me shopping.There was no way to keep them from seeing the girls in their scanty negligees. Answering, “Mom, why are those girls dressed like that? What are they doing?” to a five year old is not easy. By the time they were in primary school, all the kids knew what went on at Hay Street. How do you protect their innocence when legal prostitution is in-their-face?
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Texas_Roofer
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I cannot follow you at all if making it illegal stops the behavoir then we would not have bugleries, drug trades or shootings. Yet we have these things, so what is the difference? Let me ask it this way What is the standard for prostitution? What is the correct penalty?
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utunumsint
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This is the best article I’vce found so far because it is peer reviewed, and sites sources and has a global perspective. I did not know that Germany has aslo legalized prostitution.
prostitutionresearch.com/laws/000022.html
God bless,
Ut
prostitutionresearch.com/laws/000022.html
God bless,
Ut
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Arclight
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Ut … You’ve done a nice job in running down this info.
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aspawloski4th
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whether illegal or not prostitution is going on everywhere any way. It is called an escort service.`
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Athanasiy
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I used to live in Amsterdam , for a some time .
To live in that city for the Christian person its very not easy , especially for the young person .
There is every thing what your body needs there , but your spirit screams and warns you on every corner.
I think what saved me from falling to sin , in that city ,
it’s a ‘’ God’s fear ‘’ and 14 – 16 working hours per day , and using any free time by absorbing reading .
Living there , I was considering that my ‘’blessings’’
are as a condition and result of ‘’walking in God’s fear ‘’
only that understanding saved me from the falling to sin there.
But , whatever I would say , still that liberalism had left some unforgettable pictures in my memory
Which I would like to forget , but I can not .
That’s why , I can understand those conservative Christian who say that its even not good , to go to the area called Red Light District , or even to go to an Amsterdam .
I wasn’t there too long time.
I saw a lot of things there , and I can tell – it’s a lie that prostitution protects the women .
, actually in the touristic cities where the prostitution is legal there at once the networks of illegal prostitution starts to be based. I do not operate the statistics , though I read some articles on this topic . Beside the legal night clubs or brothels , there are a lot of illegal clubs and brothels .
And they grow as mushrooms in cities like these ones.
Police closes down and discovers a lot of places like these ones, and new and new are opening again .
And many women from the third world countries are in a real slavery there .
The real slavery in the most democratic country in the twenty first century .
Yes , the very professional Dutch police tries to solve the problem , but it can not to solve the problem.
And may be , that is the reason that now , there are the talks about closing down a lot of clubs and brothels or even to close down the red light district , just because they can not solve these problems.
Indeed , in Netherlands , especially in Amsterdam , in the recent time , a lot of places like these ones are closed down.
I agree that to call a prostitute woman as a criminal it may be sounds uncharitable .
Because a lot of women do it not by their will , if they even do it by their will its just because of the desperate poverty back at home .
There is no justification for prostitution , and there is no justification of what they are doing.
I think , may be the Swedish or Norwegian way of solving this problem sounds practical.
What do we think about it ?
The ones who buy sex must be punished , and the ones who offer sex must be re-educated to stop what they are doing.
But to legalize it , to advertise it , to say its normal , I think it’s a signs of not healthy society.
Because , for the young people , it leads to understanding that its more prestigious to be the ‘’ prostitute ‘’ , than to be a doctor or lawyer , or another honorable profession , just because the prostitutes makes much more money than not- prostitute.
To live in that city for the Christian person its very not easy , especially for the young person .
There is every thing what your body needs there , but your spirit screams and warns you on every corner.
I think what saved me from falling to sin , in that city ,
it’s a ‘’ God’s fear ‘’ and 14 – 16 working hours per day , and using any free time by absorbing reading .
Living there , I was considering that my ‘’blessings’’
are as a condition and result of ‘’walking in God’s fear ‘’
only that understanding saved me from the falling to sin there.
But , whatever I would say , still that liberalism had left some unforgettable pictures in my memory
Which I would like to forget , but I can not .
That’s why , I can understand those conservative Christian who say that its even not good , to go to the area called Red Light District , or even to go to an Amsterdam .
I wasn’t there too long time.
I saw a lot of things there , and I can tell – it’s a lie that prostitution protects the women .
, actually in the touristic cities where the prostitution is legal there at once the networks of illegal prostitution starts to be based. I do not operate the statistics , though I read some articles on this topic . Beside the legal night clubs or brothels , there are a lot of illegal clubs and brothels .
And they grow as mushrooms in cities like these ones.
Police closes down and discovers a lot of places like these ones, and new and new are opening again .
And many women from the third world countries are in a real slavery there .
The real slavery in the most democratic country in the twenty first century .
Yes , the very professional Dutch police tries to solve the problem , but it can not to solve the problem.
And may be , that is the reason that now , there are the talks about closing down a lot of clubs and brothels or even to close down the red light district , just because they can not solve these problems.
Indeed , in Netherlands , especially in Amsterdam , in the recent time , a lot of places like these ones are closed down.
I agree that to call a prostitute woman as a criminal it may be sounds uncharitable .
Because a lot of women do it not by their will , if they even do it by their will its just because of the desperate poverty back at home .
There is no justification for prostitution , and there is no justification of what they are doing.
I think , may be the Swedish or Norwegian way of solving this problem sounds practical.
What do we think about it ?
The ones who buy sex must be punished , and the ones who offer sex must be re-educated to stop what they are doing.
But to legalize it , to advertise it , to say its normal , I think it’s a signs of not healthy society.
Because , for the young people , it leads to understanding that its more prestigious to be the ‘’ prostitute ‘’ , than to be a doctor or lawyer , or another honorable profession , just because the prostitutes makes much more money than not- prostitute.
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utunumsint
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The next chapter in the debate continues. Here is the distilation of his points.
Any fresh ideas in helping to respond would be appreciated. General strategies, facts, etc…
God bless,
Ut
Any fresh ideas in helping to respond would be appreciated. General strategies, facts, etc…
God bless,
Ut
Hi Friend1, Sorry about the long delay in responding. Not much time on my end for this.
So is this an accurate summary of your position Friend 1?
- Legislation could solve many of the problems raised by the CTAW, although no system is perfect. Still, legalizing prostitution would be a positive change for the better, despite what CTAW says, and what current examples prove.
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iamrefreshed
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How about the fact that 93% of women in the sex trade were sexually abused as children? These women don’t often ‘choose’ prostitution as a way to make a living. They do so out of a deep psychological wound created during their childhood.
In other words, they are victims.
Maybe we should gather up the rest of societies wounded souls and put them in jobs where the ‘normal’ folks can further abuse them?
In other words, they are victims.
Maybe we should gather up the rest of societies wounded souls and put them in jobs where the ‘normal’ folks can further abuse them?
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Texas_Roofer
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?? is their abuse any less tragic if they live celebate? Any child abused cannot properly know boundaries after that incident. Teaching proper boundaries and living such are the method to use. The cops cannot correct these causes or issues.How about the fact that 93% of women in the sex trade were sexually abused as children? These women don’t often ‘choose’ prostitution as a way to make a living. They do so out of a deep psychological wound created during their childhood.
In other words, they are victims.
Maybe we should gather up the rest of societies wounded souls and put them in jobs where the ‘normal’ folks can further abuse them?
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utunumsint
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But wouldn’t you agree with the previous poster that those who “use” such people are preying on people who are already predisposed to prositution because of their previous sexual abuse? I think the basic idea is that no one in their right mind choses prostitution as a profession, unless they are already psychologically damaged.
Just to reiterate, my current opinion is that being a pimp or a jon should remain criminal, but being a prostitute should not. Or at least we should not impose severe penalties on prostitutes, but easier ones, designed to give them the help they need, to put them in touch with councilers, etc…
God bless,
Ut
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Texas_Roofer
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I have exception with what you say in that wrong is wrong regardless of who does it (pimps, jons, girls) however we cannot stop it, nor can police, jail, or courts. So it is best controlled with education not law.
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utunumsint
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But to legalize it legitimates this activity, and will create an even bigger problem. Don’t you agree?
God bless,
Ut
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1ke
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There is abundant evidence that legalized prostitution in Amsterdam is a complete failure and has brought in organized crime, sex trafficking, money laundering, and a host of other undesirable crimes into the city.
iht.com/articles/2008/02/24/europe/dutch.php
msnbc.msn.com/id/28083380/
iht.com/articles/2008/02/24/europe/dutch.php
msnbc.msn.com/id/28083380/
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Daedelus76
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Nobody on their deathbed says “Gee, I wish I had been a prostitute”. I think alot of the harsh punishments don’t really do alot, the real issue is why are people seeking this way of life out in the first place.
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Texas_Roofer
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No, I do not agree the activity cannot be legitimized by us, nor can it be stopped. So I do not believe it will create bigger problems, in fact it could free the justice system to focus on bigger problems.
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