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My friend would say, its just the system that failed. A better system could be created that would fix all these problems. We just have to try again.

How would you respond?

God bless,
Ut
Personally, I would not argue this line of reasoning at all.

You asked for evidence that the system in Amsterdam was not working, and I provided it.

Your friend stated, “Amsterdam and Nevada have legalized prostitution, and it has done great things for their economy, and kept the city districts clean.” I provided evidence to the contrary from the source-- the government of Amsterdam and the Netherlands.

If his answer is to ignore the facts that refute his own assertion, I don’t see what the point is in continuing the dicscussion. He is not wanting discussion, he is merely wanting a one way conversation. There is nothing fruitful that can come from this.
 
Personally, I would not argue this line of reasoning at all.

You asked for evidence that the system in Amsterdam was not working, and I provided it.
That is one approach. Maybe the best one.

Thanks.
Ut
 
No, I do not agree the activity cannot be legitimized by us, nor can it be stopped. So I do not believe it will create bigger problems, in fact it could free the justice system to focus on bigger problems.
But if you read the previous posts from my friend, it has become obvious to me that the justice system would now have to divert massive amounts of policing resources into controling this now legal prostitution business. As has been shown in Australia, Swizterland, Amsterdam, and many other places, the police has a tendency to just give up, and turn a blind eye to everything but the most criminal and life threatening activities. How can this be an improvement?

God bless,
Ut
 
But if you read the previous posts from my friend, it has become obvious to me that the justice system would now have to divert massive amounts of policing resources into controling this now legal prostitution business.
? today most police ignore prostition if it were legal there would be no reason waste time on the subject
As has been shown in Australia, Swizterland, Amsterdam, and many other places, the police has a tendency to just give up, and turn a blind eye to everything but the most criminal and life threatening activities. How can this be an improvement?
God bless,
Ut
I truly think you have it backwards in Amsterdam the police are changing the rules but not to eliminate prostitution. That is better than the US were we continue to ignore both the issue of prostitution and other crimes in the same areas. Human trafficking, kidnapping, public intoxication are illegal here and there at least Amsterdam is addressing the issues.
 
Amsterdam to close many brothels, marijuana cafes
Amsterdam unveiled plans Saturday to close brothels, sex shops and marijuana cafes in its ancient city center as part of a major effort to drive organized crime out of the tourist haven.
The city is targeting businesses that “generate criminality,” including gambling parlors, and the so-called “coffee shops” where marijuana is sold openly. Also targeted are peep shows, massage parlors and souvenir shops used by drug dealers for money-laundering.
“I think that the new reality will be more in line with our image as a tolerant and crazy place, rather than a free zone for criminals,” said Lodewijk Asscher, a city council member and one of the main proponents of the plan.
URL: usatoday.com/news/world/2008-12-06-amsterdam-brothels-cafes_N.htm

Prostitution is a tragedy, exploitation, and disgrace. Legalizing prostitution gives this sort of thing increased societal legitimacy, which it should not receive, and increases criminal activity. :(:(:(:(:mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
? today most police ignore prostition if it were legal there would be no reason waste time on the subject.
Agreed, except for the ocasional blitz against prostitutes and catching jons trying to solicite an undercover cop. But what these actions do is cause the regular folk, who might be tempted to solicite a prostitute, to think twice. It is a deterent to those who might solicite, if only it were legal. And on the same note, legalizing prostitution might make it more attractive to certain people who might become prostitutes, if only it were legal. But if you legalize prostitution, you remove society’s ability to censure these activities, to come down hard on it when it starts to get out of hand, as the articles provided by 1ke and AveSantaMaria show. Legalizing prostitution is simply a gift for pimps. Notice in Amsterdam, it is also legal to be a pimp.
I truly think you have it backwards in Amsterdam the police are changing the rules but not to eliminate prostitution. That is better than the US were we continue to ignore both the issue of prostitution and other crimes in the same areas. Human trafficking, kidnapping, public intoxication are illegal here and there at least Amsterdam is addressing the issues.
The criminal problems still remain in Amsterdam, but now the government has become the pimp. There are advocacy groups for jons and pimps lobbying for recruitment from a wider variety of ethnic groups. Since only 2% of prostitutes are actually residents of Amsterdam, they must go abroad to recruit. How do you know that these people from abroad are not being coerced by pimps, or forced to immigrate on the basis of threates against their family? And how many immigrate to find a way out of poverty?

I also disagree that criminalization is not addressing the issue. I think it is. There are all sorts of programs that jons must go through when they are caught in my country. Its called jon school. Pimps go to jail, when they are caught, but I think it is difficult to prove somtimes.

God bless,
Ut
 
Agreed, except for the ocasional blitz against prostitutes and catching jons trying to solicite an undercover cop. But what these actions do is cause the regular folk, who might be tempted to solicite a prostitute, to think twice. It is a deterent to those who might solicite, if only it were legal. And on the same note, legalizing prostitution might make it more attractive to certain people who might become prostitutes, if only it were legal. But if you legalize prostitution, you remove society’s ability to censure these activities, to come down hard on it when it starts to get out of hand, as the articles provided by 1ke and AveSantaMaria show. Legalizing prostitution is simply a gift for pimps. Notice in Amsterdam, it is also legal to be a pimp.
Interesting logic you use. If the crack downs cause problems why is prostitution present today? What happened to the fear of crackdowns? Let me suggest the crackdowns are for you and you alone. The crack downs let you feel like prostition is being reduced when in fact it is really the opposite.
The criminal problems still remain in Amsterdam, but now the government has become the pimp. There are advocacy groups for jons and pimps lobbying for recruitment from a wider variety of ethnic groups. Since only 2% of prostitutes are actually residents of Amsterdam, they must go abroad to recruit. How do you know that these people from abroad are not being coerced by pimps, or forced to immigrate on the basis of threates against their family? And how many immigrate to find a way out of poverty?
I also disagree that criminalization is not addressing the issue. I think it is. There are all sorts of programs that jons must go through when they are caught in my country. Its called jon school. Pimps go to jail, when they are caught, but I think it is difficult to prove somtimes.
God bless,
Ut
The changes in prostitution are occuring in Amsterdam! not here where we are still turning a blind eye to it. I find it interesting people in Amsterdam are educated on the subject and their women chose not to participate! I would rather my daughter was educated and thus refused to participate rather than be told you can make unbelieveable money with no downside. The pimps need you, they need you do keep it illegal so they can collect the business at premium prices, and to scare the girls in your country. If you legalize the action the pimps lose their unique position.
 
Interesting logic you use. If the crack downs cause problems why is prostitution present today? What happened to the fear of crackdowns? Let me suggest the crackdowns are for you and you alone. The crack downs let you feel like prostition is being reduced when in fact it is really the opposite.
Wait a second. Are you also saying that keeping prostitution illegal increases prostitution? Can you provide any kind of evidence backing up this claim?

Here is my evidence contradicting your claim. (prostitutionresearch.com/laws/000022.html) I invite you to provide me with statistics that counter their claims (honestly -because I haven’t found any yet).
  1. Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control
    the sex industry. It expands it.
Contrary to claims that legalization and decriminalization would regulate
the expansion of the sex industry and bring it under control, the sex
industry now accounts for 5 percent of the Netherlands economy (Daley,
2001: 4). Over the last decade, as pimping became legalized and then
brothels decriminalized in the Netherlands in 2000, the sex industry
expanded 25 percent (Daley, 2001: 4). At any hour of the day, women of
all ages and races, dressed in hardly anything, are put on display in
the notorious windows of Dutch brothels and sex clubs and offered for
sale – for male consumption. Most of them are women from other countries
(Daley, 2001: 4) who have in all likelihood been trafficked into the
Netherlands.
There are now officially recognized associations of sex businesses and
prostitution customers in the Netherlands that consult and collaborate
with the government to further their interests and promote prostitution.
These include the Association of Operators of Relaxation Businesses,
the Cooperating Consultation of Operators of Window Prostitution, and
the Man/Woman and Prostitution Foundation, a group of men who regularly
use women in prostitution, and whose specific aims include to make prostitution
and the use of services of prostitutes more accepted and openly discussible,
and to protect the interests of clients (NRM Bureau, 2002:115-16).
Faced with a dearth of women who want to work in the legal sex sector,
the Dutch National Rapporteur on Trafficking states that in the future,
a proposed solution may be to offer [to the market] prostitutes from
non EU/EEA countries, who voluntarily choose to work in prostitution.
They could be given legal and controlled access to the Dutch market (NRM
Bureau, 2002: 140). As prostitution has been transformed into sex work,
and pimps into entrepreneurs, so too this potential solution transforms
trafficking into voluntary migration for sex work.The Netherlands is
looking to the future, targeting poor women of color for the international
sex trade to remedy the inadequacies of the free market of sexual services.
In the process, it goes further in legitimizing prostitution as an option
for the poor.
Legalization of prostitution in the State of Victoria, Australia, has
led to massive expansion of the sex industry. Whereas there were 40 legal
brothels in Victoria in 1989, in 1999 there were 94, along with 84 escort
services. Other forms of sexual exploitation, such as tabletop dancing,
bondage and discipline centers, peep shows, phone sex, and pornography
have all developed in much more profitable ways than before (Sullivan
and Jeffreys: 2001).
Prostitution has become an accepted sideline of the tourism and casino
boom in Victoria with government-sponsored casinos authorizing the redeeming
of casino chips and wheel of fortune bonuses at local brothels (Sullivan
and Jeffreys: 2001). The commodification of women has vastly intensified
and is much more visible.
Brothels in Switzerland have doubled several years after partial legalization
of prostitution. Most of these brothels go untaxed, and many are illegal.
In 1999, the Zurich newspaper, Blick, claimed that Switzerland had the
highest brothel density of any country in Europe, with residents feeling
overrun with prostitution venues, as well as experiencing constant encroachment
into areas not zoned for prostitution activities (South China Morning
Post: 1999).
The changes in prostitution are occuring in Amsterdam! not here where we are still turning a blind eye to it. I find it interesting people in Amsterdam are educated on the subject and their women chose not to participate! I would rather my daughter was educated and thus refused to participate rather than be told you can make unbelieveable money with no downside. The pimps need you, they need you do keep it illegal so they can collect the business at premium prices, and to scare the girls in your country. If you legalize the action the pimps lose their unique position.
I suggest that the reason they refuse to enter into their home grown industry is that they have a much higher standard of living than those who come from abroad, and so do not come to a point where they would even consider this trade. Amsterdam preys on the poor, the oppressed and the weak people of the world, not those in their own country. In fact, what they do is subject all those foreigners to this indecency, profit from it through taxartion, without ever having to send their own kids into such horrible places.

God bless,
Ut
 
Hi utunumsint

We have fundamental issues here. The website you mention is built on the idea if prostitution is legal everybody does it and if illegal nobody does it. That is simply incorrect, here in Texas a prostitution issue is in the news every couple of weeks. Some even tell of prostitution on New York or Washington DC. Since Texas, New York, and DC all ban prostitution why is it in the news? Because the ban does not stop the practice. Please consider what really happens if there are 5.000 illegal prostitution acts a day in the US and the law changes in 20 places to make the practice legal does it make sense these 20 places will see more of the formerly illegal customers? Of course it does so why would such be considered proof? Economists will tell you the sex drive is not linked to law and thus the problem, people have the same sex desire before and after sex laws change. I am sure the people who set up the website have the best intention, and my guess Sullivan and Jeffreys(2001) did also yet the conclusions listed go against every thing we know about human behavior and economics. Btw I can not find a copy of “Sullivan and Jeffreys(2001)” to read.

btw here is an alternate website if you want to read both sides prostitution.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000115
 
Hi utunumsint

We have fundamental issues here. The website you mention is built on the idea if prostitution is legal everybody does it and if illegal nobody does it.
Not really. The idea is that if you legalize prostitution, you make an existing problem worse. It does not deny that illegal prostitution happens. Can you provide a quote from the website I provided that supports your claim?
That is simply incorrect, here in Texas a prostitution issue is in the news every couple of weeks. Some even tell of prostitution on New York or Washington DC. Since Texas, New York, and DC all ban prostitution why is it in the news? Because the ban does not stop the practice.
Agreed. The question is, would making it legal make things better or worse?
Please consider what really happens if there are 5.000 illegal prostitution acts a day in the US and the law changes in 20 places to make the practice legal does it make sense these 20 places will see more of the formerly illegal customers? Of course it does so why would such be considered proof? Economists will tell you the sex drive is not linked to law and thus the problem, people have the same sex desire before and after sex laws change. I am sure the people who set up the website have the best intention, and my guess Sullivan and Jeffreys(2001) did also yet the conclusions listed go against every thing we know about human behavior and economics. Btw I can not find a copy of “Sullivan and Jeffreys(2001)” to read.
Here is a link to some Sullivan and Jeffreys articles, but you have to subscribe and probably pay to get them. vaw.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/8/9/1140

Consider also there is a tendency among some groups to label any human behaviours as normal, simply because there are people who do these things. This would be the naturalistic approach to human behaviour, removing ethical and moral questions from the analysis, and seeing human beings purely as objects of study, like an animal in the wilderness. Yes, people have a sex drive, but we can expect that they people should be able to control themselves. Isn’t this reasonable? And if that behaviour is inherently destructive and violent to women, wouldn’t it be irresponsible to legalize it. Are you willing to make the claim that prostitutes do not suffer harm from practicing prostitution?
btw here is an alternate website if you want to read both sides prostitution.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000115
Thanks. I’ll read it over my lunch break.

God bless,
Ut
 
The website sited is produced by a single individual to promote their personal “research”. I am sure that person has good intentions and I have no desire to bad mouth that person (Dr. Farley). By no means does that require me to dismiss all other facts. I hope you realize the website basically is in favor of legalizing prostitution! Let me quote them for you “CATW favors decriminalization of the women in prostitution.” So I agree with them on that.

Concerning the control of sexual desires certainly rape should remain illegal, as well as in endangering minors. Telling two adults they cannot have sex even if they desire it is against Natural Law and thus doomed to failure. By the way have you read the Old Testament in the Bible did God condemn Abraham?
 
The website sited is produced by a single individual to promote their personal “research”. I am sure that person has good intentions and I have no desire to bad mouth that person (Dr. Farley).
There are articles from multiple authors on the CATW website. They also quote from peer reviewed scholarly articles. You can attack their credibility, but they provide solid facts.
By no means does that require me to dismiss all other facts. I hope you realize the website basically is in favor of legalizing prostitution! Let me quote them for you “CATW favors decriminalization of the women in prostitution.” So I agree with them on that.
This has also become my position as I’ve stated below. (Except for extreme cases where the prostitute turns into a pimp. Or her behaviour becomes too self desctructive.)
Concerning the control of sexual desires certainly rape should remain illegal, as well as in endangering minors. Telling two adults they cannot have sex even if they desire it is against Natural Law and thus doomed to failure.
Forcing a person to have sex with another through that person’s poverty, emotional vulnerability, or immaturity is not the same as prohibiting two consenting adults from freeling engaging in their desires. I repeat, are you willing to make the claim that prostitutes do not suffer harm from practicing prostitution?
By the way have you read the Old Testament in the Bible did God condemn Abraham?
I have not mentioned religion at all in this discussion.

God bless,
Ut
 
There are articles from multiple authors on the CATW website. They also quote from peer reviewed scholarly articles. You can attack their credibility, but they provide solid facts.
there are 10 references used on their research page 7 or the 10 list Dr. Farley. Also Dr. Farley is listed as the founder and no other names are listed.
This has also become my position as I’ve stated below.
good we all agree prostitution should be legal
(Except for extreme cases where the prostitute turns into a pimp. Or her behavior becomes too self destructive.)
and how can you know which cases are which?
Forcing a person to have sex with another through that person’s poverty, emotional vulnerability, or immaturity is not the same as prohibiting two consenting adults from freeling engaging in their desires. I repeat, are you willing to make the claim that prostitutes do not suffer harm from practicing prostitution?
Have you watched TV lately? They actually have contests in which women compete to “date” a has been star. The winner often gets money. That sounds awful close to prostitution to me. Are you willing to state every act of relations can be properly defined as prostitution or not? If a girl charges a guy $200 for an hour message then decides to have relations with him is that really prostitution, how do you know?
I have not mentioned religion at all in this discussion.
God bless,
Ut
Well should Abraham have been condemned by god, or jailed by men, which was appropriate
 
Hi Texas,

I wanted to come back to this point for a moment:
Hi utunumsint
Please consider what really happens if there are 5.000 illegal prostitution acts a day in the US and the law changes in 20 places to make the practice legal does it make sense these 20 places will see more of the formerly illegal customers?
It does stand to reason that pimps will take their women (and children) to places where they wont face prosecution. But does it stand to reason that the only way to end this problem of human trafficking is to legalize it everywhere? I would say no. You could just as easily reverse the argument. If every place had stricter anti-pimping and John laws, you would also see less trafficking to those places. The pimps would avoid those places. So trafficking increases, the weaker the anti-pimping/john are in a particular place and conversely it decreases the stricter they are.
Of course it does so why would such be considered proof?
It is a demonstrated fact that prostitution, and pimping increases the moment you legalize it. I’ll dig up some more statistics on this for you.
Economists will tell you the sex drive is not linked to law and thus the problem, people have the same sex desire before and after sex laws change. I am sure the people who set up the website have the best intention, and my guess Sullivan and Jeffreys(2001) did also yet the conclusions listed go against every thing we know about human behavior and economics. Btw I can not find a copy of “Sullivan and Jeffreys(2001)” to read.
What do economists know about ethics and moral questions? As far as I can tell, they are only good at knowing how to make a buck, or how to analyze trends in the economy.
btw here is an alternate website if you want to read both sides prostitution.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=000115
This link didn’t work. I found the procon website, but the article did not show up.

God bless,
Ut
 
It does stand to reason that pimps will take their women (and children) to places where they wont face prosecution. But does it stand to reason that the only way to end this problem of human trafficking is to legalize it everywhere? I would say no. You could just as easily reverse the argument. If every place had stricter anti-pimping and John laws, you would also see less trafficking to those places. The pimps would avoid those places. So trafficking increases, the weaker the anti-pimping/john are in a particular place and conversely it decreases the stricter they are.
I would say this is not entiarly correct. If something is legal the price for it generally drops significantly. As their is a lot less risk involved. So i would say that the pimps would remain where they where to reap the higher prices for the illegal activity.
It is a demonstrated fact that prostitution, and pimping increases the moment you legalize it. I’ll dig up some more statistics on this for you.
I would challange these statistics. When prostitution is illegal. It is something very few people would admit to being involved in. Its a very dark and dirty secret that you hide. However once its legal a lot of these people come out into the light. They are less ashamed of what they do. This gives the impression that its on the increase when in actual fact it probebly remains at a stable level.

Making prostetution legal, is a very good way to solve a lot of social issues. I admitt its not what we would like to see more of. However making it an honost prefession, would remove the criminal aspect to it. Some of the facts about women who are abducted and trafficed into prostitution are terrible. Anything to reduce the suffering of these women would be benificial. A lot of these girls are taken from their homes, with the promise of work. They are then force fed drugs to get them addicted. Before they know what is happening they are little more than automated sex toys for anyone and everyone. And they have no escape!

Having a government regulated buisness. Would mean that the girls could choose to become prostitutes. They could do it in safe enviroments, protected from the pimps and abusive johns.

Prostitution is a terrible thing. But you can never prevent women who wish to do it from doing it. It is impossible, and extremly difficult to prove if someone is paying for sex or not. Legalisation and regulation would protect innocent women from being sold like cattle into the buisness and traded off between pimps. It would protect the women who wish to sell their bodys.

All in all I think that the moral cost to sociaty of having legalised prostitution is far outweighed by the benifit to the innocent young girls through out the world who wont be sold into slavery prostatution and eventual death.
 
Hi Texas,

I wanted to come back to this point for a moment:

It does stand to reason that pimps will take their women (and children) to places where they wont face prosecution. But does it stand to reason that the only way to end this problem of human trafficking is to legalize it everywhere? I would say no. You could just as easily reverse the argument. If every place had stricter anti-pimping and John laws, you would also see less trafficking to those places. The pimps would avoid those places. So trafficking increases, the weaker the anti-pimping/john are in a particular place and conversely it decreases the stricter they are.
Economists look at why people trade and what determines trade values (compensation) we see over and over supply and risk. Pimps and trafficers are paid so much because 1) their risk is high, as the trade is illegal, and the supply is small, as the trade is illegal. So pimps and trafficers benefit from the illegal status. Once the laws are removed no one would have a reason to pay large compensation to anyone else.
It is a demonstrated fact that prostitution, and pimping increases the moment you legalize it. I’ll dig up some more statistics on this for you.
I think this is a missunderstanding, if the 5,000 illegal acts can be legel in a specific location, many if not most will go to that local so in that one location business booms but IT IS NOT NEW BUSINESS, it is transferred business from the illegal locations to the legal locations. To generate new business you have to increase desire (or lower price). So unless sexual desire is a function of law, no change will happen in desire
What do economists know about ethics and moral questions? As far as I can tell, they are only good at knowing how to make a buck, or how to analyze trends in the economy.
Economist study trade, why it happens. Because they study all trades whether sexual or not, whether legal or not, they are unbias. Economist understand main trades are illegal do to ethics ( murder, pollutions, sex, etc). Economist study these issues well because both illegal trades which remain dispite the law, and the effect on substitue products or services are sever.
This link didn’t work. I found the procon website, but the article did not show up.
God bless,
Ut
Well I do not know why so let me post the address with out a link
prostitution.procon.org/.

Second let me post some credential of those some who wrote some of the “pro” arguements

– Marjan Wijers - Chair of the European Commission’s Expert Group on Trafficking in Human Beings in her article in the book Global Sex Workers 1998

–Sherry F. Colb, JD Judge Frederick Lacey Scholar at Rutgers Law School E-mail to ProCon.org Dec. 17, 2006

–The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), wrote in its 2007 Policy 211, faxed to ProCon.org on Apr. 30, 2007:

–The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs wrote in its 2005 document “Dutch Policy on Prostitution: Questions and Answers” provided on its website:

–John Turley-Ewart, PhD, Deputy Comment Editor for National Post, wrote in his July 7, 2006 National Post article “Lessons From a German Brothel”:

–Paul R. Abramson, PhD, Professor of Psychology at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), wrote in his 2003 book Sexual Rights in America: The Ninth Amendment and the Pursuit of Happiness:

–Leah Platt Boustan, PhD, Assistant Professor of Economics at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), wrote in the article “Regulating the Global Brothel,” published in the July 2, 2001 issue of The American Prospect:

–Alan Young, LLM, Associate Professor of Law at Osgoode Hall Law School of York University, wrote in the article “Home Sweet Hooker,” published in the Jan. 5, 2006 issue of NOW magazine:

–Pelham D. Glassford, former Police Chief of Washington, DC, was quoted in the May 11, 1936 TIME article “Policeman on Prostitution” as having stated:

–Kirby R. Cundiff, PhD, Associate Professor of Finance at Northeastern State University, wrote in his Apr. 8, 2004 article “Prostitution and Sex Crimes,” published on the Independent Institute’s website:

–Linda M. Rio Reichmann, JD, Director of the American Bar Association’s (ABA) Child Custody Pro Bono Project, wrote in the article “Psychological and Sociological Research and the Decriminalization or Legalization of Prostitution,” published in the Apr. 1991 issue of Archives of Sexual Behavior:

–Sherry F. Colb, JD, Professor of Law and Judge Frederick Lacey Scholar at Rutgers Law School, wrote in her Dec. 17, 2006 email to ProCon.org:

–Camille Paglia, PhD, Professor of Humanities and Media Studies at the University of the Arts, was quoted as having stated in the article “Interview: Camille Paglia - The Prostitute, The Comedienne & Me,” in the Jan./Feb. 1995 issue of Urban Desires:

–Vaclav Maly, Auxiliary Bishop of Prague, was quoted as having stated in the May 4, 2002 article “Czech Bishop Calls for Legalising Prostitution” on the Radio Prague website:
 
I would say this is not entiarly correct. If something is legal the price for it generally drops significantly. As their is a lot less risk involved. So i would say that the pimps would remain where they where to reap the higher prices for the illegal activity.
Price drops because supply increases. This is the basic law of supply and demand. The more you supply, the cheaper the commodity. By legalizing it, you flood the market, driving down prices. By making it illegal, you make the “commodity” scarce, and thus drive up the prices. But from a human perspective, who cares? We have still reduced the number of women and children being sold on the streets.
I would challange these statistics. When prostitution is illegal. It is something very few people would admit to being involved in. Its a very dark and dirty secret that you hide. However once its legal a lot of these people come out into the light. They are less ashamed of what they do. This gives the impression that its on the increase when in actual fact it probebly remains at a stable level.
There are actual studies from the Neatherlands, and Australia, and Germany that challange your opinion. Please reffer to the article I posted previously which showed these statistics. Or back up your opinion with facts.
Making prostetution legal, is a very good way to solve a lot of social issues. I admitt its not what we would like to see more of. However making it an honost prefession, would remove the criminal aspect to it. Some of the facts about women who are abducted and trafficed into prostitution are terrible. Anything to reduce the suffering of these women would be benificial. A lot of these girls are taken from their homes, with the promise of work. They are then force fed drugs to get them addicted. Before they know what is happening they are little more than automated sex toys for anyone and everyone. And they have no escape!
Please read this article. prostitutionresearch.com/laws/000022.html

If you have already, the support your opinion with facts, studies etc…
Having a government regulated buisness. Would mean that the girls could choose to become prostitutes. They could do it in safe enviroments, protected from the pimps and abusive johns.
Prostitution is a terrible thing. But you can never prevent women who wish to do it from doing it. It is impossible, and extremly difficult to prove if someone is paying for sex or not. Legalisation and regulation would protect innocent women from being sold like cattle into the buisness and traded off between pimps. It would protect the women who wish to sell their bodys.
All in all I think that the moral cost to sociaty of having legalised prostitution is far outweighed by the benifit to the innocent young girls through out the world who wont be sold into slavery prostatution and eventual death.
We now have several examples from places where prostitution has been legalized that totally prove your points false. Please find out more about it.

God bless,
Ut
 
Price drops because supply increases. This is the basic law of supply and demand. The more you supply, the cheaper the commodity. By legalizing it, you flood the market, driving down prices. By making it illegal, you make the “commodity” scarce, and thus drive up the prices. But from a human perspective, who cares? We have still reduced the number of women and children being sold on the streets.
Either way your argument about the pimps moving is not really acurate. Would they not stay where they could earn more money ?
There are actual studies from the Neatherlands, and Australia, and Germany that challange your opinion. Please reffer to the article I posted previously which showed these statistics. Or back up your opinion with facts.
I have looked at a lot of statistics on the issue. I still maintain that the increase in protitution activities is artaficialy inflated due to people hideing it previous to it being legal.
If you have already, the support your opinion with facts, studies etc…
I saw and read the artical. But in the end it all comes down to how exactly the law is passed and enforced.

Please look at prostitution in New Zealand as an example.
We now have several examples from places where prostitution has been legalized that totally prove your points false. Please find out more about it.
God bless,
Ut
New Zealand proves most of my points true. In the end it comes down to how you legalise something. Do you mearly make it no longer illegal. Or do you regulate the industry. A heavely regulated sex indutry is the best way in which to tackle the problems assosiated with prostatution.
 
Price drops because supply increases. This is the basic law of supply and demand. The more you supply, the cheaper the commodity. By legalizing it, you flood the market, driving down prices. By making it illegal, you make the “commodity” scarce, and thus drive up the prices. But from a human perspective, who cares? We have still reduced the number of women and **children being sold **on the streets…
This is a good chance to understand the interplay of Natural Moral Law. Some children are sold, some will continue to be sold, however these sales oppose Natural Moral Law so the general public will never, ever accept this. (see a change of law does not change legitimacy) Siliarly you can now see if child prostitution is made legal demand will not increase !

FYI though the above post concerning supply and demand is common sense correct, the real way to say it is lower price allows more existing demand to be fulfilled (again it is not new demand). But the posters point that more suppliers (prostitute) would be expected to enter is correct. And the same principles are true which is once legal issues are dropped, woman who considered prostitution but found the leagl cost too high now find the cost (of supply) lower

Hope that helps
 
Either way your argument about the pimps moving is not really acurate. Would they not stay where they could earn more money ?
I can name a few reasons: self preservation, the fear of going to jail. Then there is also the problem of having quality merchandise (i.e. women in this case). How long do you think the average prostitute can work before her resale value decline? Recruiting would also be harder.
I have looked at a lot of statistics on the issue. I still maintain that the increase in protitution activities is artaficialy inflated due to people hideing it previous to it being legal.
So laws provide absolutely no deterent to prostitution? I do not believe this is true, and I would like to see some evidence to the contrary (you still have not provided it).
I saw and read the artical. But in the end it all comes down to how exactly the law is passed and enforced.
Please look at prostitution in New Zealand as an example.
New Zealand proves most of my points true. In the end it comes down to how you legalise something. Do you mearly make it no longer illegal. Or do you regulate the industry. A heavely regulated sex indutry is the best way in which to tackle the problems assosiated with prostatution.
Please check out this document which provides quotes from the New Zealand Prostitution Law Review Committee and its finding from 2006 (prostitutionresearch.com/Report%20on%20NZ%2010-29-2008.pdf). I’ll quote some parts to underline what has happened since legalization.
“The majority of sex workers felt that the law could do little about violence that
occurred.” (page 14)
35% reported in 2007 that they had been coerced to prostitute with a given john in the
past 12 months. (page 46)
A majority of respondents felt that decriminalization made no difference with respect to
the violence of johns in prostitution – they felt that it was inevitably a part of the sex
industry. (page 57)
The Report notes that “few” sex workers, regardless of whether they were prostituting
indoors or outdoors, reported any of the incidents of violence or crimes against them to
the police. (page 122)
Many owners of brothels have the same exploitive contract arrangements that existed
before prostitution was decriminalized. Often no written contracts or their questionable
quality. (page 157)
And also this.
  1. Street prostitution in New Zealand’s cities increased dramatically after
    prostitution was decriminalized in 2003, according to many news reports, and
    according to one report from the New Zealand Prostitution Review Committee
    itself.
    In 2006, an Auckland lawyer declared decriminalization a “disaster” which had resulted
    in an “explosion” of children in prostitution in Auckland and Christchurch, three murders
    of people in prostitution, and local businesses complaining of prostitution occurring on
    their premises and used condoms littering streets and doorways. (“Barrister labels
    prostitution law ‘a disaster’” (stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3640007a11,00.html
    April 17, 2006)
    Mama Tere Strickland, a Maori street outreach worker (who came to Berkeley to speak
    out against Measure Q in 2004) stated that in 2005, the numbers of those prostituting
    on the street in Auckland have increased by 400% since decriminalization.
    3
    The New Zealand Prostitution Review Committee states that street prostitution in
    Auckland more than doubled in just one year, 2006-7. (page 118).
    “Estimates indicate that the number of street workers in Manukau City may have
    quadrupled since June 2003….”
    Manukau City Council, Report of Manukau City Council on Street Prostitution Control
    available at
    manukau.govt.nz/uploadedFiles/manukau.govt.nz/Publications/Plans_&_Poli
    cies/mcc-report-on-streetprostitution-aug-2005.pdf.
    The New Zealand Prostitution Review Committee comments on citizens’ complaints of
    increased street prostitution in two large communities in New Zealand: Christchurch and
    Manukau. (page 16). In these same two communities, Christchurch and Manukau,
    street prostitution has shifted into traditionally residential areas where community
    residents harassed those in prostitution and people in street-based prostitution
    “propositioned members of the public, were aggressive, disruptive, and noisy.”
    Complaints from residents included “condoms, excrement, and other bodily waste” left in
    the street, shops, car parks, and on private property. P (124)
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