is it? You believe all other churches do not have the fullness of truth in them, except yours. So you look down at the others. It is a common mormon malady. pretend all you want I think it is quite evident… People are not dumb they can see it.
actually I think he hit the proverbial nail on the head.
the wrong end of the stick how? I think you enjoy offending others here.
All I can say is that you are incapable of understanding plain reason. I had already explained the meaning of “vain repetition” in this post:
The idiocy seems repeatedly to be coming from you. Every church on earth thinks that it is the right one; otherwise there would be no point in its existence. If the Lutherans believed that Catholicism is better, or even as good, why not disband Lutheranism and become Catholics? If Catholics believed that Lutheranism is better, or even as good, why not disband Catholicism and become Lutherans? The same goes for every other religion. Mormonism is no different. We believe that we have all the truth; but that does not translate into despising other religions. The Catholics may despise non-Catholic religions; the Lutherans may despise non-Lutheran religions; the Moslems may despise non-Moslem religions. But let me assure you as an LDS that we do not despise other religions.
You would. No surprise there.actually I think he hit the proverbial nail on the head.
For the reason that I explained in post #204. That is the correct meaning of “vain repetition,” not what it says in that article.
That is a stupid thing to say. Explaining to people the correct meaning of things is not offending them.
No way zerinus. I am often very patient with you but you are so wrong on this one it isn’t funny.
The Bible tells us that we only have one intercessor in heaven, and that is Jesus Christ:
Prayer is not the same as asking your friends here on earth to help you. Your friends are people you can see, and whom you can talk to and know that they can hear. Prayer is an act of faith. It is an appeal to a supernatural being whom you do not see, but whom you believe in faith is able to hear and answer. I don’t know of any instance in the scriptures where one is supposed to appeal to any other being in heaven than the supreme, omnipotent God for assistance. Jesus talked a lot about prayer in the Gospels; but the object of His prayers was always the one God, not anything else. It is contrary to the whole order of things that God has established in the Bible, both the OT as well as the NT.
We don’t claim to have a monopoly of good ideas. The Catholic Church is so blatantly wrong on some doctrinal matters that it is to be expected that other people before us should have identified them. The Protestants are right about many errors that they have identified in Catholicism; and the Catholics are right about many errors they have identified in Protestantism; and we are right about many errors that we have identified in both.
Mediator isn’t intercessor
That doesn’t say “only intercessor”
It is asking for Jesus’ help that we pray, so how is that losing faith?
We believe Mary and the Saints are our friends as well.
I understood so much more than you give me credit for. I also understand you believe that your way is correct and everyone else is wrong in regards to this. You are prideful in your responses and yet you harm your own spirituality by refusing to admit this to yourself. For example you insist your defintion of vain repetition is the only correct definition. And you do not need to lecture me on the Temple. I was a Temple worker for years I know very well what goes on inside them. You are welcome to see it the way you do but you are in no place to state it is any different for Catholics than it is for the LDS.
Your answer is no surprise either.
And who are you to dviine the correct interpretation? Your response was only your opinion on the meaning nothing more.
Yes please continue to excuse your actions by placing the errors on someone else.
And the LDS are wrong on most doctrinal matters.
Jesus qualifies to be our intercessor by virtue of His mediation role, which comes by virtue of His atoning sacrifice. Show me one verse in the Bible which teaches, suggest, or implies any other mediator or intercessor between God and man that Jesus Christ.
It does. If others were included, they would have been mentioned. Jesus is the only Redeemer, the only mediator, the only propitiation, hence the only intercessor. Show me one passage in the Bible that mentions any other.
You are not. You are asking Mary’s help, or the Saints’ help, to intercede on your behalf to Jesus or to God. That is unbiblical and wrong.
Then wait until you get there, and ask them if they can help. You don’t pray to them. You pray to God.
Your faith is strong in whom? In Mary and the Saints? As Paul said: “Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” (1 Corinthians 1:12.) Likewise I say, was Mary crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of the Saints? There is only one Intercessor and object of faith mentioned in the Bible, and that is Jesus Christ. Show me one passage in the Bible that mentions, or implies, another.
No, you pray to Mary and the Saints. That is not the same as praying to God.
Then you should pray to Him direct, instead of going through Mary. Where does it say in the Bible that you need to do that.
Show me a verse in the Bible that says you need to do that. I don’t know of any that even implies it.
The problem comes in on things like this when one doesn’t understand the unity of God. We are all one with him.
It is obvious that you are at your wit’s end. You are at the end of your tether. You are incapable of responding to a direct theological challenge, therefore you resort to personal attacks.