Let's Create a Traditional Catholic Wishlist

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As I’ve said in another post, check out the Nun’s Mass at the Shrine of Our Blessed Sacrament if you want holy and reverent. To all these great wishes, I wish to move the Tabernacle back into the Church so it stops feeling like a multi-purpose room, stop the parishes being run by lay people, and stop using those Eucharistic Ministers at Mass - can we not wait in line a little longer to receive from a priest or deacon?

So for now, I concentrate on God, close my eyes so as not to be distracted so much, obey the Magesterium, and try not to judge all the stuff that seems so wrong to me.
Nice…👍 It’s like you read my mind!

I have been so spoiled by my home parish with some exceptionally faithful priests, so anytime I have to go to another parish, I have to work really hard to “concentrate on God, close my eyes so as not to be distracted so much, obey the Magesterium, and try not to judge all the stuff that seems so wrong to me.”

Oh! And Mass at the Shrine is incredible!!!
 
Here is my list. It is too radical for most people. You give me the oppurtunity to dream of something that never will be? Here it is:

Restoration of the Ancient Rite of Latin Catholic Church.

restoration of the use of the “hypostatic union/trinitarian prayer symbol” with fingers while praying or doing sign of cross

restoration of bowing instead of kneeling and genuflecting (which came from the penitent prisoner customs, I am not a prisoner)

restoration of baptism by immersion as the normal way of baptism, pouring being only for emergencies when immersion would be too difficult.
“The church at one time practiced immersion. This was up to the thirteenth century. The Council of Ravenna, in 1311, changed the form from immersion to pouring.” (Our Faith and the Facts, p. 399).

restoration of Infant chrismation/confirmation within one year after baptism (this was law until 1200 in england), communion after confirmation, not vice versa.

restoration of minor orders (sub deacons and so forth)

restoration of ancient fasting during almost entire lent and advent and every friday and wednesday of the entire year also fast. this includes fasting from meat and dairy products as well as more prayers during this time, the prayer and sacrifice is even more important than food.

restoration of ancient chant, old roman, gallican, mozarabic, corsican, ambrosian and “organum” with ison.so forth, using the marcel peres’ ensemble organum technique, NOT the solesmes technique.

restoration of elaborate vestments

restoration of western iconography with emphasis on painted or written frescoes and mosaic, bas relief carvings, as opposed to free standing statues which celebrates “the beauty of the human body”. Ideally they should be venerated as well, as many were in Rome in the 6th century. However they can also serve only as teaching aids if they must. (in Northern Europe this was usually the case)

restoration of careful sacrament reception, no sacraments received anonymously. Anyone the priest does not know will not be communed unless the priest has spoken with them beforehand.

“restoration of bishops ordained from within monks/archimandrites.” <-this used to be one, but Im no longer certain that can be correct, still it may represent the future if " the married priesthood" has it’s way. I can say though that between 967 to 1067 in england before the Norman invasion, 70% of the bishops were from the ranks of monks.

restoration of semi-apophatic theology, pre-scholasticism. Thomas Aquinas to be seen in a different context. ApoTheosis will rule the west oncemore.

restoration of “high mass” every sunday (full hour and a half liturgy instead of shortcuts), vespers on saturday, no multiple liturgies every day that contribute to destruction of a sense of community and give the liturgy an assembly line “come here just to get it over with because it’s the law” feeling (no more daily liturgy except within monasteries)

restoration of community by having food served after sunday liturgy.

restoration of saints created by the diocese, not by the hierarchies miracle squad, (from bottom up, instead of top down). one doesn’t have to have any miracles to be canonized.

restoration of life long pastorship for priests, not moving them from one parish to another 1000 miles away ever 4 years and breaking the heart of the parishners and breaking up community (and possibly hiding priests problems from those in new parish)

restoration of sourdough leavened bread for the Eucharist which Rome used for the first 800 years. the same sourdough starter was kept going for years. (regulations insisting on the use of unleavened bread at the Eucharist date form the 9th century: not before)

restoration of the anathema for pope Honorius in clerical oaths. Prior to roughly 1150, all priests were required to take a specific oaths that said, among other things, that pope Honorious was a herertic. He, among many others, was officially anathematized in all ordination services. Why was this removed?

restoration of the sign of the cross (the ancient church began on the right shoulder). All the ancient prayers of the church, when mentioning direction, go from right to left. This includes Patrick’s Breastplate prayer, as well as the Bidding of the Bedes. Even Francis of Assisi crossed himself in this fashion.

restoration of the “Bidding of the Bedes,” a particularly beautiful, four part series of invocations found in English liturgy books in the 500s, mirroring very closely the litany of the Byzantine liturgy. Why was it removed?
 
restoration of Early Christian Basilican, Byzantine, Romanesque and pre-Romanesque architecture.

restoration of Synods (They were replaced with “Councils,” or advisory bodies to the pope). A synod and a council are two very different things. Bishops appearing at a council are at the pope’s court, and act only as his advisors. The words “council” and “curia” are closely related. It is not a meeting in the ancient sense of Synod, but merely the servants of papal power. Their opinions mean nothing to the outcome, which can only be promulgated and ratified by the papal potentate. <-this view may be untrue?, not my words, Fr. Raphael Matthew Johnsons idea (hes in Fayetteville, PA).

restoration of Epiklesis upon the older Roman liturgies. Preferably adding the Epiklesis from the Gallican/Mozarabic/Ambrosian liturgies to it.

THE END (for now)

P.S. if it means anything most of my family grew up in the Diocese of Arlington, VA…so did I. 😉
 
Here is my list. It is too radical for most people. You give me the oppurtunity to dream of something that never will be? Here it is…
That’s a tall order. I’m still trying to figure out why Benedictions and exposition of the Blessed Sacrament fell out of favor.
 
“Thats a tall order” This is exactly what Father Elias Yelovich said to me when he heard me tell a Western Rite Vicariate Deacon that I held the Western Rite Church as a model for the Latin Catholic Church to learn from. The three of us were standing in the middle of St. James Antiochian Orthodox Mission Church in Westminster, MD on a Paschal Sunday. Father Elias thought I was a little crazy to compare the western orthodox to the western catholic. He was probably right.
 
That instead of creating wishlists dwelling on things we are neither authorized, nor qualified to do, we create wishlists of all our reforms needed in our own souls–something we are authorized and qualified–and mandated by God–to change. Once all traditional-minded people burn with the fire of perfect chairty instead of just grumbling, murmuring, and complaining, the other “wishes” will come together–this method has been proven true by the work of many Saints 🙂
 
  1. Actual discouragement from the ‘wear whatever you want’ mentality
  2. Hymnals that contain Catholic Hymns …and aren’t unrecognizable
  3. To receive on the tongue without causing confusion or disdain
  4. To not have to ‘make an appointment’ for confession
  5. Crucifixes returned to a visable point in the church
  6. A Catholic Church that actually looks like a Catholic Church
and oh yeah…
  1. leave the dang prayers… alone!

    (if Shakespeare doesn’t need to be changed into the modern day ‘vernacular’
    to be understood or appreciated… then neither should Traditional Catholic prayers!
 
(if Shakespeare doesn’t need to be changed into the modern day ‘vernacular’
to be understood or appreciated… then neither should Traditional Catholic prayers!
Ask most any student who studies Shakespeare whether they could understand and appreciate him better in more modern language - I know what I thought of him back then, and most of it wasn’t complimentary!
 
That instead of creating wishlists dwelling on things we are neither authorized, nor qualified to do, we create wishlists of all our reforms needed in our own souls–something we are authorized and qualified–and mandated by God–to change. Once all traditional-minded people burn with the fire of perfect chairty instead of just grumbling, murmuring, and complaining, the other “wishes” will come together–this method has been proven true by the work of many Saints
I concur and heartly agree… thanks for the “bringing down to earth” 👍
 
Ask most any student who studies Shakespeare whether they could understand and appreciate him better in more modern language - I know what I thought of him back then, and most of it wasn’t complimentary!
I have studied Shakespeare and while what you say may be true for some, I don’t believe he would still be Shakespeare if we have tried to change him/his writings into something more modern merely to suit our own convenience… just my opinion.

Bless you.
Margaret
 
No need to bring us down to earth Icarus, but thank you. We are all entitled to express our opinions and vent once in a while! You don’t necessarily have to agree and there are many nontraditional threads to chose from for this very reason 🙂

Many blessings to you,
Margaret
 
No need to bring us down to earth Icarus, but thank you.
I was thanking Genesis for bringing us down to earth… 😉 😉 or was the word Concur wrong? Thought it meant agreement!
 
I was thanking Genesis for bringing us down to earth… 😉 😉
I know and understand … Has nothing to do with you Icarus, my apologies if it seemed so! 🙂

Guess I just get a little tired of trying to post in the Traditional forum as it always seems those with modernist viewpoints come in so often (the forum and thread clearly titled mind you) solely for the purpose of criticizing and condemning, under the thinly veiled guise of encouraging ‘charity’ and goodwill. (While at the same time not practicing it themselves by their very act of doing so).

This forum was created for like-minded people to share ideas and I just don’t think it necessary or productive to be constantly told by those who have modernist agendas what we are or are not “authorized, nor qualified to” express. Especially since what we are expressing for the most part centers on preserving what is already part of Catholic doctrine but in danger of being obliterated by abuses.

I don’t wander over to other forums (clearly titled) whose ideas i don’t subscribe to and then feel I have a right to express my annoyance because they aren’t discussing what I feel should be discussed. If I don’t agree with their viewpoint, I leave them be to discuss in peace, practice charity in not criticizing, and realize they are exercising their freedom of speech and perfectly allowed to do so…
 
I understand that, and by the content of my postings, one would hopefully be of the understanding that I am clearly Traditionalist. Without Tradtition (or the Latin Mass), i wouldnt have become a Catholic.
 
i’m not a Trad Cath in the sense that i don’t attend TLM, there’s also none available within the vicinity as far as im concerned.
my wishlist anyway:

no wimpy music at Mass
people knowing the Real Presence and showing due reverence and respect, not chatting and doing what-have-you
people dressed appropriately
Priests doing the Consecration slowly. i get annoyed when then bring down the Consecrated Host at once.
 
I do think it will be a huge step forward if we stop worshipping our favourite forms of worship and concentrate on what we are worshipping.

If we will build genuine devotion in our hearts which is not dependent on the form of a church building, the sex of an altar server, or the language in which we pray the “Our Father.”
[sign] amen! [/sign]
My wish? Increased availability of confession.
Well put Hrolf, I agree 🙂
 
I wear a veil, I bow, and I am over 21 two times plus. You would not believe how many little children ask me why I wear a veil. Even the parents are astounded when I quote biblical references. Retired priests are having to teach an entire generation of priests how to speak Latin. Thank goodness you still have to have a veil or your head covered and modest dress to see the Pope. If your listening Holy Father, how about teaching the young children what they want and need to know about our sacred traditions.😃
 
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