Let's stop using the word "abortion"

[10gr8kids]

Well, abortion is the name of the procedure. Same with euthanasia.

This can be said for another procedures, there is a name for it, we don’t simply say “I want you to cut me open and remove my uterus!” do we?

You might have just proven the OP’s point.

Abortion is not comparable to a hysterectomy and it is much more than just a procedure.

 

[Lea101]

You might have just proven the OP’s point.

Abortion is not comparable to a hysterectomy and it is much more than just a procedure.

It’s still a medical term. The word isn’t the problem, it’s how we describe it. Do we say it’s the removal of tissue from a pregnancy or do we say it’s the ending the life of the fetus. The term is the least of our problems

 

[DebChris]

It’s still a medical term. The word isn’t the problem, it’s how we describe it. Do we say it’s the removal of tissue from a pregnancy or do we say it’s the ending the life of the fetus. The term is the least of our problems

How do we let a woman facing a crisis situation in her life know that she has alternatives?
Prior to 1870, in the United States there were no laws against abortions. Contrary to modern perceptions, it was actually the feminists of the era who fought for the laws that protected women against a slick industry with glitzy advertising.
No woman is empowered by the loss of her child.
Feminists for Life states the number one reason given by women seeking abortions is a lack of resources. The most common approach in recent years by pro-life groups is to lead women to those resources. It is to lead them to places like Birthright, and Room at the Inn. It is campus programs that provide diapers and clothing for the newborn, so the mother doesn’t feel she has to make a choice that cannot be changed.

For a time when my brother was still alive, he lived across the street from an abortion clinic. What these women did not need is what he heard on a daily basis. They didn’t need the name calling, etc. One day a woman brought her daughter to his apartment and asked if he and his wife would babysit while she took her for an abortion. My sister-in-law knew it was not what the daughter wanted. With authority, she simply said, “I wish you wouldn’t.” That’s all it took to save a life.
Often what these women need is compassion. They need to know that somebody actually cares about them, doesn’t see them as “baby-killers” but as scared individuals who need to know there are other better life affirming choices.
Our job is to loving point them toward those other alternatives.

 

[PRmerger]

PRmerger-- your defense of the Pope is very weak considering there are more than 50 million worldwide every year. He is the singular individual in the world responsible and able to stop it.

And yet Jesus, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, could not stop evil in his day.

How is it that you feel this Pope has more power than Jesus Christ Himself?

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.James 1:27

Amen!

think Pope JPII and St Teresa of Calcutta neglected a Godly opportunity during their lifetimes. Imagine these two saints living at the same time joining together at St. Peters Square, or on the steps of the US capital or in front of the entire UN and proclaiming the sanctity of the unborn. What a huge, HISTORIC, worldwide impact that would have had, but never was.

It seems like you feel that these 2, also, were more powerful than Jesus, the Word Incarnate.

Your elevated view of men (or perhaps your ignoble view of Christ, the Eternal Logos) is peculiar indeed coming from a putative Catholic.

 

[IWantGod]

PRmerger-- your defense of the Pope is very weak considering there are more than 50 million worldwide every year. He is the singular individual in the world responsible and able to stop it. He limits himself to talking a couple times a year about 50 million mothers committing murder and 50 million babies being murdered. He is directly responsible to God for this responsibility above anybody else in the world because he is the Pope.

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.James 1:27New

I think Pope JPII and St Teresa of Calcutta neglected a Godly opportunity during their lifetimes. Imagine these two saints living at the same time joining together at St. Peters Square, or on the steps of the US capital or in front of the entire UN and proclaiming the sanctity of the unborn. What a huge, HISTORIC, worldwide impact that would have had, but never was.

The Pope knows that there is no legal solution to the problem.

 

[Rau]

…I think Pope JPII and St Teresa of Calcutta neglected a Godly opportunity during their lifetimes. Imagine these two saints living at the same time joining together at St. Peters Square, or on the steps of the US capital or in front of the entire UN and proclaiming the sanctity of the unborn. What a huge, HISTORIC, worldwide impact that would have had, but never was.

It is your assumption that such an act would have been **hugely **beneficial. But on what basis do you hold that rose-coloured view? The bulk of the world feels no allegiance to either of those people (before or after they became saints), and a large proportion of those that feel some, already know their position and have rejected it.

 

[Joe_5859]

How come nobody’s after all these CAF members who criticize us for calling baby-killing what it is but won’t say a word against the murderers? The Pope, at least, has to consider prudence in what he says.

If I wanted to be part of a group that defends murderers, I’d join a Nazi board. You hypocrites make me sick. But at least you’ve helped me decide to leave, so thanks for that.

I have to say, you are over the line with this post. No one here is “defending murderers.” Abortion is a grave evil. On that we all agree.

If you’re point was that we need to be more precise with our language and less sanitized and so we should not adopt language such as “terminating the pregnancy” or “removing a clump of cells”, then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But the word “abortion” is (in my opinion) not an example of this type of doublespeak.

That’s why I said I agree with your principle of using the proper language to describe things. I don’t think you have selected the best examples.

We all have to have prudence in what we say. Not just the pope.

 

[Rau]

PRmerger–

Yes, the Pope can do greater things than Jesus…

Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.John14:12

Maybe you never read this passage.

IWantGOD…Several Central American countries ban abortion completely so a legal solution is possible, but of course a change of heart is paramount.

Rau…Unfortunately you are right that most of the world rejects the message, but as Jesus said we should leave the 99 to save the 1 lost sheep. What if by doing what I suggested they could save 1 mother and baby? That would be worth it a million times over.

Jesus spoke to all in that quote. Yet your focus is on what one particular man should do.

 

[PRmerger]

PRmerger–

Yes, the Pope can do greater things than Jesus…

Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.John14:12

Fair enough.

So you think Jesus was a failure for not healing everyone in Palestine?

And it’s up to Pope Francis to do what Jesus couldn’t do?

Is that your view?

Also, would you mind using the “quote” feature? It makes things segue more clearly.

 

[PRmerger]

I never said or implied or thought Jesus was a failure at anything.

Excellent. For that would be really, really bad if you did.

So you should apply the same logic to Pope Francis.

And to yourself, as well. For you surely haven’t gotten rid of abortion in your little corner of the world, yet I criticize you not a whit for not being able to end abortion in your world.

 

[PRmerger]

I never said or implied or thought Jesus was a failure at anything. Do you have audio or video proof of me that I did? (Thanks for the tip about quotes)

It is up to the Pope to do at least three thing Jesus said to do: 1. leave the 99 to find the one lost sheep. 2. Shout the Gospel from the rooftops. 3. Rebuke the sinner(Spiritual work of Mercy).

I focus on the Pope because he is the one person in the world most responsible for stopping abortion. He is the successor of Peter and Vicar of Christ on earth which no other person in the world can claim those titles and that corresponding responsibility and authority.

Also, this is still not correctly using the quote feature.

You need to include the poster’s name in the post so everyone can see to whom you’re responding.

All you need to do is click on the little “quote” icon.

 

[nodito]

Chris, when you see a post you want to quote, hit the quote button at the bottom of that post. It’ll show a bracket with the word “quote=NAME OF POSTER” then another bracket ] then the content of the post, then another bracket with and end quote symbol] Keep all that as is and just type your reply below it.

 

[Hockeygurl]

Not gonna happen.

abortion is a medical term.
there are 2 types of abortion. 1. spontaneous (miscarriage) and 2. Therapeutic.

Every prenatal record has these on them as it is important to know the patient’s history.

so the word abortion will never be eradicated from the earth.

Just sayin’

 

[DebChris]

Not gonna happen.

abortion is a medical term.
there are 2 types of abortion. 1. spontaneous (miscarriage) and 2. Therapeutic.

Every prenatal record has these on them as it is important to know the patient’s history.

so the word abortion will never be eradicated from the earth.

Just sayin’

I don’t have a medical dictionary handy. There are actually a number of different types of abortions.
The Catholic Church recognizes spontaneous abortions (miscarriages and stillborn).
There are also circumstances in which a medical procedure may be performed with full knowledge that the secondary effect is the termination of a pregnancy. Both the life of the mother and child are in jeopardy. The child cannot live without the mother. Such a therapeutic abortion would occur with an ecoptic pregnancy. It is the unintended, but natural result of the procedure used to save the mother’s life.

It is the voluntary procedure, which is not therapeutic, that the Church stands against. She tries to find resources for the mother to find other alternatives.

 

[Rau]

It is the voluntary procedure, which is not therapeutic, that the Church stands against. She tries to find resources for the mother to find other alternatives.

Terming the intentional killing case “therapeutic” is the applicable euphemism.

When the child is not wanted we do something therapeutic to eliminate her. When the child is wanted but at risk, we do something therapeutic to save her. You see, in all cases we deem ourselves to be doing good and use language accordingly.

 

[DebChris]

Terming the intentional killing case “therapeutic” is the applicable euphemism.

When the child is not wanted we do something therapeutic to eliminate her. When the child is wanted but at risk, we do something therapeutic to save her. You see, in all cases we deem ourselves to be doing good and use language accordingly.

That’s not what I said.
I did not call any type of voluntary abortion therapeutic. That is not what the Church teaching, nor is it medical terminology.
What the Church recognizes is situations when both the life of the mother and child are in danger. I gave an explicit example, that of an ectopic pregnancy, commonly called a tubal pregnancy. The primary concern is saving the mother’s life. It is an unfortunate secondary outcome of the procedure that the child’s life is lost in the process.

 

[Joe_5859]

Just another note, the word “abortion” is also used in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (as well as other Church documents). And why does the Church use that word? Because people understand what it means.

 

[Rau]

That’s not what I said.
I did not call any type of voluntary abortion therapeutic. That is not what the Church teaching, nor is it medical terminology.

Please see the earlier post by hockeygurl. It was her use of the term I was remarking on.

 

[DebChris]

Please see the earlier post by hockeygurl. It was her use of the term I was remarking on.

I accept that.
However you used my quote which was a response to what she had said.
I wanted to clarify any misunderstanding. Tabor’s Medical Dictionary has a whole column of different types of abortions.