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What is the Jewish understanding of the antichrist and the final days? 🙂
heh. That reminds me of an argument I got into with some Israeli friends about Obama. At one point they were saying that President Obama could be the antichrist. I laughed and said "You can’t have an antichrist wihtout a christ. Since when do Jews believe in Christ??
 
Not to mention the fact that the Jews have no inteniton of demolishing the Dome and the only way they could do that is if the mulsim world were stupid enough to force a war on Israel and then lost.
Actually, I was just repenting of my annoyance over the Dome because it is a magnificent monument, and it enshrines a key place of Jewish & Christian veneration as well as of Muslim belief.

I wouldn’t mourn if the Al-aqsa were moved to another venue, however.
 
Frodo gets to the Cracks of Doom, then Gollum seizes The Ring but falls into the fire and The Ring is destroyed.

Basically.

In other words, bit of a silly question. 😉
Sounds more like The Ring Of The Nibelungen to me, except that Siegfried and BrĂźnnhilde are dismissed somehow!!!
But seriously, why do you call this question a silly one? Is it because it might have nothing to do with Judaism maybe?
 
There was a really interesting documentary on UK Channel 4 about ‘Revelation’ and ‘magic mushrooms’ 😛 - it’s all somebody else’s preoccupation, anyway and, obviously, if you don’t believe in the Christian ‘Christ’ the idea of the Christian ‘anti-Christ’ is pretty absurd to say the least.

Here’s the Wikipedia article on Jewish eschatology.
Well, if Christ means Messiah (or Moshiach), and if the Jews are waiting for the coming of the Messiah, would there also be the idea of an anti-Messiah according to Judaism? (Whether the Messiah is Jesus or anyone else would not be specified then, of course!)
 
Oops! I just realize it must be Shabbos where you are, Kaninchen, so I expect you may not answer these questions as of right now. I hope you will have spent a very good one then. Shalom lakh!
And shalom lekha to you as well, Valke2!
 
heh. That reminds me of an argument I got into with some Israeli friends about Obama. At one point they were saying that President Obama could be the antichrist. I laughed and said "You can’t have an antichrist wihtout a christ. Since when do Jews believe in Christ??
The same question I asked Kaninchen I am asking you, Valke2. And aren’t the Jews expecting the coming of the Messiah? Isn’t that part of Judaism as well (“Christ” is greek for Messiah or hamoshiach if you prefer. --I wonder if the Sephardim spell it differently when writing in English?)
 
Well, if Christ means Messiah (or Moshiach), and if the Jews are waiting for the coming of the Messiah, would there also be the idea of an anti-Messiah according to Judaism? (Whether the Messiah is Jesus or anyone else would not be specified then, of course!)
I don’t think there is such a concept. Although we have plenty of experience with false messiahs. The Jewish belief in a messiah is different from a christian belief. We are not expecting a good vs. evil showdown and we do not ascribe the Messiah with Divine attributes.
 
The same question I asked Kaninchen I am asking you, Valke2. And aren’t the Jews expecting the coming of the Messiah? Isn’t that part of Judaism as well (“Christ” is greek for Messiah or hamoshiach if you prefer. --I wonder if the Sephardim spell it differently when writing in English?)
We await the Messiah, yes. For us, he will be a leader that unites the Jewish people in a time where all the world worships the One God and the Jews return to Israel, and the Temple is rebuilt. We do not await God to come to earth in the form of a man.

The Messiah will usher in an age of peace, plowshares from swords, etc.
 
We await the Messiah, yes. For us, he will be a leader that unites the Jewish people in a time where all the world worships the One God and the Jews return to Israel, and the Temple is rebuilt. We do not await God to come to earth in the form of a man.

The Messiah will usher in an age of peace, plowshares from swords, etc.
PEACE you have got to be joking , How can you have peace if a fanatical religious group demolish the Mosque, peace will only come --when the world has had enough ,-- the Zionists can not have it all their own way,
 
PEACE you have got to be joking , How can you have peace if a fanatical religious group demolish the Mosque, peace will only come --when the world has had enough ,-- the Zionists can not have it all their own way,
Zionists are by and large not interested in demolishing anything. Every post you have made is against judaism and against Israel. I get that you hate us. So let’s call it a day and ignore each other.
 
PEACE you have got to be joking , How can you have peace if a fanatical religious group demolish the Mosque, peace will only come --when the world has had enough ,-- the Zionists can not have it all their own way,
I maybe wrong but I think you’ve been reading a lot of anti-israeli propaganda. Just curious, where are you getting this thing that the zionist want to demolish the Mosque and build the temple on that site? As far as I know the zionist are talking about bullding the Temple around that area, but not necessarily at the exact place where the Dome is?
 
I maybe wrong but I think you’ve been reading a lot of anti-israeli propaganda. Just curious, where are you getting this thing that the zionist want to demolish the Mosque and build the temple on that site? As far as I know the zionist are talking about bullding the Temple around that area, but not necessarily at the exact place where the Dome is?
On the net you will find thousands of Zionist sites who,s members proclaim the Holy Mosque will be demolished, forcing Palistinians out of Jerusalem is part of the plan, I see the Athiest Jews in Russia call Israel. Bastardistan
 
You should change your name to threadkiller. Take your politics to the appropriate threads.
 
I am meditating on the Jewish liturgy, which is a reflection of the heavenly liturgy, and the tabernacle (tent of worship), which is said to be a sign of the temple of God, and I was wondering if any of my fellow older brethern could help me out? Thank you in advance.

The tabernacle is sapphire, and has a flap for a door, and there is a purple curtain that divides the tent from the holy of holies, and that only the High Priest may enter the holy of holies to offer the sacrifice of Israel to the Lord, and that above the tent would appear a cloud as a sign of the Divine Prescence. Before the Ark of the Covenant, which contains the commandments and staff of Aron and upon which the Lord sits as Lord, is seven lamps. Israel would gather around the tabernacle to pray and offer sacrifice.

According to Judaism, what is the significence of the tabernacle, the door, the colors, the holy of holies, the high priest, the Ark, the commandments and staff of Aron, the mercy-seat upon which God sits, the lamps, and the gathering and offering of all Israel?

I apologize for such a long and hard question. But I am curious. I would give my own understanding of such things, but I fear it would offend some Jews, so I only ask what the things symbolize, and, if I made any mistakes, to please correct me.
 
According to Judaism, what is the significence of the tabernacle, the door, the colors, the holy of holies, the high priest, the Ark, the commandments and staff of Aron, the mercy-seat upon which God sits, the lamps, and the gathering and offering of all Israel?

I apologize for such a long and hard question. But I am curious. I would give my own understanding of such things, but I fear it would offend some Jews, so I only ask what the things symbolize, and, if I made any mistakes, to please correct me.
I will get back to you on this as I don’t have a complete answer off the top of my head.
 
Do you think someone (in our day) could prove they are descended from King David?

What would the implications be?
 
Do you think someone (in our day) could prove they are descended from King David?

What would the implications be?
I’m not aware of any means of proving this, other than if a person fullfills all the other conditions associated with the Messiah, we (Jews) would assume the lineage.

I don’t know if there would be any real implications associated with someone who could prove they were a descendant. It doesn’t by itself grant them Messiah status.
 
Regarding the Tabernacle:

More space is devoted to the Tabernacle in the Torah than to anything else. As you know it was portable and accompanied the Jews through the wilderness Exodus (25: 1-31; 17; 35: 1-4: 38).

Sticking with the symbolism, which I believe was your original question:

Early Rabbis (2nd to 4th centuries CE and earlier) made a connection between the Tabernacle and the Universe. I remember reading an article that noted the similarity of language in the commanding of the building of the Tabernacle and the language used in the Creation story. The inner hanging with the cheriubims represented the sky and angels. The structure of the Tabernacle itself represetned the earth and everything on it.

In the Torah we learn that the purpose of the Tabernacle was for God to have a dwelling place among His people. “…that I may dwell among them.” Some Rabbis interpet this as saying that teh purpose of the Tabernacle was to give the people the chance to make room in their hearts for God to dwell in. (That’s why God says “dwell among” instead of dwell inside.)

That’s one or two ways to view the Tabernacle symbolicly.
 
Regarding the Tabernacle:

More space is devoted to the Tabernacle in the Torah than to anything else. As you know it was portable and accompanied the Jews through the wilderness Exodus (25: 1-31; 17; 35: 1-4: 38).

Sticking with the symbolism, which I believe was your original question:

Early Rabbis (2nd to 4th centuries CE and earlier) made a connection between the Tabernacle and the Universe. I remember reading an article that noted the similarity of language in the commanding of the building of the Tabernacle and the language used in the Creation story. The inner hanging with the cheriubims represented the sky and angels. The structure of the Tabernacle itself represetned the earth and everything on it.

In the Torah we learn that the purpose of the Tabernacle was for God to have a dwelling place among His people. “…that I may dwell among them.” Some Rabbis interpet this as saying that teh purpose of the Tabernacle was to give the people the chance to make room in their hearts for God to dwell in. (That’s why God says “dwell among” instead of dwell inside.)

That’s one or two ways to view the Tabernacle symbolicly.
Thank you 🙂
 
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