LGBT equality same as black equality

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I know for a fact that some lesbians outright hate all guys.
I’m wondering why the radical feminists tend to support homosexism.
Exactly my point. Why should anyone be proud of fear and prejudice against the different gender??? I thought we are to be against prejudice, not in favor of it. Unless our society is bigoted in the name of enlightenment, in which case it is a false enlightenment due to it’s bigotry.
 
For a number of misogynists I’ve met the only thing preventing them from being vocal was wanting sex,
The arrested development of these men is unfortunate. Should we aim for their rehabilitation? Or is that too judgmental? Or should we be proud of their arrested development which occurred naturally?
 
Exactly my point. Why should anyone be proud of fear and prejudice against the different gender??? I thought we are to be against prejudice, not in favor of it. Unless our society is bigoted in the name of enlightenment, in which case it is a false enlightenment due to it’s bigotry.
What is truly saddening is that now, heterophobia is creeping into the mainstream consciousness.
 
The question you have to ask yourself is can two people of the same sex share a relationship similar to that of a man and woman. The answer is yes. Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon that occurs within our humanity. It is as sinful as when a man lusts over his own wife. As Jesus says to lust over a woman is to commit adultry in your heart. Both homosexuality and heterosexuality are sinful. You just think that homosexuality is totally perverse and disregard the true intamacy that two people of the same sex share. That intamacy is not sinful. Rather, It is the lust of any sexuality that is sinful. So you should put your self on the same level of sin as a homosexual because this lust is contained within you; and if you say it isn’t I will never believe you because I wasn’t born into this world yesterday.

Condemn homosexuality, condemn your own sexuality.
 
First, sodomy laws were repealed, then this. I hate words like left, right and middle. I prefer words like right and wrong. Moral relativity removes those words from being used or acted on by some people, but there is a God who sees it all.

Part of the issue is this: having grown up in the 1950s and 1960s, sex was a private matter. What was meant to be private was kept private. I’m sure my parents had sex but they never talked about it. Then two terrible - society damaging - things occurred: Adult Bookstores selling graphic, gynecological porn appeared, including some gay porn. Prior to that, the worst you get get was partial or full nudity, and it was considered dirty, as in morally harmful. Not long ago, on another message board, someone wrote: “Does anybody remember when porn was considered dirty and hard to get?” That was the proper mindset. The worst the average person could do in a regular bookstore was buy Playboy, otherwise, he had to know where to get publications that didn’t care about articles or publishing quality authors or dealing with cultural matters. Usually, that was a liquor store run by a gruff looking guy who had a small selection of “girlie mags” on a rack or shelf behind him near the floor so no kids could get a look.

The other thing was being “openly” sexually deviant (I’m using the dictionary definition). Oh sure, we knew about gay people, but whatever they did was done in private. Today, the gay (LGBT) publication, The Advocate, ran a photo of the first “openly” lesbian to be elected to lead a state legislative chamber.

"Out Lesbian Elected Oregon House Speaker

“Tina Kotek will be the first openly gay woman to lead a state legislative chamber.”

She’s a woman. And that’s where the whole “it’s just the same as Black equality” argument breaks down.

Black
Hispanic
Woman

Anybody here that would not identify these people if you saw them 100% of the time? That’s where we’re being lied to. I never identified any of the gay people I knew as automatically gay just by looking at them. I was told.

Wake up my fellow Catholics. As much as we should care for and respect anyone who identifies as gay/LGBT, we don’t need it shoved in our faces, and so-called gay marriage is a counterfeit, a perversion. The Church calls it a disordered form of human sexuality. We have no need to demonize anyone regarding what they do in private. However, once it’s made public, it becomes an open scandal and a genuine cause of confusion, especially for young people.

If my business hired only LGBT people in the future, their sexual orientation would mean nothing. They would only be required to do their job and be reasonably nice to their coworkers, like the rest of us. Their being “openly” whatever does not add anything to their work skill set.

Don’t be fooled into a false acceptance of a wrong idea.

Peace,
Ed

I have zero political party affiliation.
 
The question you have to ask yourself is can two people of the same sex share a relationship similar to that of a man and woman. The answer is
NO

Will never be unitive
Will never be complementary
Will never mirror the love between an actual man and an actual woman

It is friendship, sexualized.

Sex does not sanctify friendship, including heterosexual friendships which are not formalized by legitimate marriage.
 
I just read this entire diatribe, although verbose, philosophical in nature (no pun intended) quite enlightening. Trying to equate civil rights somehow, on any level, with homosexuals desiring equal rights in a society that is clearly going down the toilet, with legislating homosexual marriage (wrong word-civial union would be better applied), is a waste of time. Must of us know individuals who have same sex attraction that are intelligent well meaning productive members of society. This, I believe, is not the point. I have friends who are devout Catholics who have same sex attraction but opt to live lives of celebacy. Just as I have heterosexual friends who live chaste lives. If we allowed ourselves to succumb to our ever desire, anything that makes us ‘feel good’ we might all be in trouble. what separates us from lower forms of life. animals. is we have a choice…although love has little to do with conjugation, it is part of it. Do I look at my wife with physical desire, you call lust…she happens to be beautiful, you betcha, It sounds like you are trying to argue on some rational level that homosexual behavior is normal…trying to compare a relationship between husband and wife something to be strictly viewed on a sexual intercourse level is rediculous. but one has to wonder why individual with same sex attraction who chose to live as partners simply sit around and hold hands and philosophize all day…and I have to wonder if you don’t know what the definition of sodomy is what’s up…you are obviously quite literate and very articulate, but come on my friend…what’s your beef…there ARE moral absolutes, do we agree ? Pray for me, and I will pray for you sir. I honestly believe that if I were born feeling same gender attraction that I would chose to live a chaste life…PAX
 
NO

Will never be unitive
Will never be complementary
Will never mirror the love between an actual man and an actual woman

It is friendship, sexualized.

Sex does not sanctify friendship, including heterosexual friendships which are not formalized by legitimate marriage.
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I just read this entire diatribe, although verbose, philosophical in nature (no pun intended) quite enlightening. Trying to equate civil rights somehow, on any level, with homosexuals desiring equal rights in a society that is clearly going down the toilet, with legislating homosexual marriage (wrong word-civial union would be better applied), is a waste of time. Must of us know individuals who have same sex attraction that are intelligent well meaning productive members of society. This, I believe, is not the point. I have friends who are devout Catholics who have same sex attraction but opt to live lives of celebacy. Just as I have heterosexual friends who live chaste lives. If we allowed ourselves to succumb to our ever desire, anything that makes us ‘feel good’ we might all be in trouble. what separates us from lower forms of life. animals. is we have a choice…although love has little to do with conjugation, it is part of it. Do I look at my wife with physical desire, you call lust…she happens to be beautiful, you betcha, It sounds like you are trying to argue on some rational level that homosexual behavior is normal…trying to compare a relationship between husband and wife something to be strictly viewed on a sexual intercourse level is rediculous. but one has to wonder why individual with same sex attraction who chose to live as partners simply sit around and hold hands and philosophize all day…and I have to wonder if you don’t know what the definition of sodomy is what’s up…you are obviously quite literate and very articulate, but come on my friend…what’s your beef…there ARE moral absolutes, do we agree ? Pray for me, and I will pray for you sir. I honestly believe that if I were born feeling same gender attraction that I would chose to live a chaste life…PAX
You don’t see why having someone to share your burdens and multiply your joy with would be important to some people? You don’t understand the stress relief effects from cuddling with someone?

Many heterosexual couples commit the sin of sodomy…

Maybe in the end you would choose a chaste life, but if you so confident that you would choose chastity before getting involved with someone of the same sex, maintain chastity through your entire life and never in a moment of weakness would choose otherwise I think you severely underestimate that cross.
 
What if “some unknown percentage” of homosexuals developed a fear or intolerance of those of the different gender throughout development? My teenage friend who later became homosexual was very mysogynistic. Should we be expected to celebrate some people’s fear and xenophobia of those of a different gender just because the gender seems foreign or different?
It sounds like your friend had some internalized homophobia. Perceiving his homosexuality as a lack of masculinity he compensated by adopting a misogynist attitude. It’s not at all uncommon. He probably out grew it, too.
NO

Will never be unitive
Will never be complementary
Will never mirror the love between an actual man and an actual woman

It is friendship, sexualized.

Sex does not sanctify friendship, including heterosexual friendships which are not formalized by legitimate marriage.
Why must it be unitive?
Why is complementarity necessary?
How can you, as an outsider, possibly know the love felt between two people?
Who said marriage was about sex? Sex easily occurs outside of marriage. There is a difference between saying marriage is the appropriate place for sex and that sex defines a marriage. What is distinct about a marriage is the relationship.
 
It sounds like your friend had some internalized homophobia. Perceiving his homosexuality as a lack of masculinity he compensated by adopting a misogynist attitude. It’s not at all uncommon. He probably out grew it, too.

Why must it be unitive?
Why is complementarity necessary?
How can you, as an outsider, possibly know the love felt between two people?
Who said marriage was about sex? Sex easily occurs outside of marriage. There is a difference between saying marriage is the appropriate place for sex and that sex defines a marriage. What is distinct about a marriage is the relationship.
She is explaining the Catholic point of view. Although, some may question the statement that sexual intimacy cannot be unitive, unless between opposite genders. It clearly cannot be procreative.
 
And that’s what gay activists are saying about heterosexuals. It’s phrased very emotionally so as to shut down any questions in the gay community itself.

Christians are called hate-filled.

Any attempt to call disordered sexual behavior wrong is followed by gay people and gay marriage advocates insisting it’s not. And we fear homosexuals.

After reading a lot of posts, it’s obvious straights don’t fear any gay person.

Fear is a natural response to a real world threat. But by branding our attempts to encourage homosexuals to see what gay marriage is – we automatically either fear or hate them, or both.

It keeps the gay troops motivated. By branding us as the enemy who fears and/or hates them, that’s the end of the argument.

Recently, I saw a very emotional post telling gay people that basically: Yeah. They say they love you but actually hate you. Or how can they say they love us when they tell us we’re going to burn in hell?

Guess what? Everybody - and God knows, me as well - is at risk. Anyone who practices deviant sexual behavior or has “just sex” like using a toilet, had better wake up. Oh, I know, it’s very difficult for the addicts. Very difficult.

But the apparent answer for all of it is - it’s OK. “There’s no one - up there.” anyway. “Stop worrying [about god] and enjoy life.” Orgasms are good - self-control? Why bother?

My favorite line about moral absolutes:

“There are no absolutes!”

Do you really believe that?

“Absolutely!”

Wake up (and I’m pointing to myself as well). We’re either going to have a society that understands right and wrong or we’re going to have a lot of individual people that will not only embrace the darkness (it needs a hug :confused:) and the rest of us will do what we know is right, like follow moral absolutes.

Peace,
Ed
 
Thanks. I have no idea what you are talking about. Where is that happening?
If I recall correctly, I see that more with some of the rabidly perverted fanfic writers, the most radical of the rabidly perverted fans of anime as well as manga that has GLBT content and some very radical “gay rights” supporters as well as some GLBTs such as misandric lesbians and misogynistic gay men.
The problem is not so much the position of heterophobia in the mainstream consciousnesses, which is saddening enough as it is, but the fact that it exists in the first place.
 
If I recall correctly, I see that more with some of the rabidly perverted fanfic writers, the most radical of the rabidly perverted fans of anime as well as manga that has GLBT content and some very radical “gay rights” supporters as well as some GLBTs such as misandric lesbians and misogynistic gay men.
The problem is not so much the position of heterophobia in the mainstream consciousnesses, which is saddening enough as it is, but the fact that it exists in the first place.
My take on it is different. We are so inundated with media sources, that every point of view is represented, no matter how diverse. But more than that, these media sources are competing for our attention. Didn’t Ariana Huffington sell her site for $200 million?

So, the pornographers, the Rush Limbaughs, the Huffington’s, the Fox’s, the Daily Show, the religious right, the radical left… it goes on and on… They are all screaming at us, and trying to bring us into their audience. There is money to be made. There is a point of view to be heard. The voices are strident. And, they have learned that if they distort information to match the expectations of their audience, then the audience becomes more loyal… but unfortunately more isolated in the POV of the media provider.

In the case of porn, there are very few youngish people who have not seen enough sexual diversity on the internet, that pretty much anything becomes “normal”.

We live in this world surrounded by distortions, which are passed off to us as if they were truth.

There may be something else at work here. 160 years ago, the Catholic threat was taken very seriously as something that would undermine the Protestant values of the US. Around the same time, it was stated in major publications that the Irish were a similar threat, accounting for 70% of crime. Over time these immigrants assimilated.

Now that their POV is part of the mainstream, then the next generation is taking over, with their POV. This is very disturbing, but it is just the normal evolution of our society. Yesterday’s Catholic is today’s gay person, in that sense. Today’s Catholic is yesterday’s Protestant conservative. Same phenomenon, different players. And the cycle will repeat every few generations.
 
Why must it be unitive?
Why is complementarity necessary?
Because both aspects are essential to the definition of marriage.

Entities which are not fully “other” to each other, intrinsically, cannot, by definition, unite.
How can you, as an outsider, possibly know the love felt between two people?
It has nothing to do with “being an outsider.” It has everything to do with language, and definitions which depend on meaning for their validity. And how would you, an outsider to me, possibly know that I was not referring to “love felt between two people?” 😉 That’s not part of the discussion. Marriage is not about (subjective) feelings, but about (objective) realities. A man and a woman in an imperfect marital relationship are truly married, whatever the quality of love is between the two.
What is distinct about a marriage is the relationship.
Nope. What distinguishes marriage from non-marriage is the radical category, one from the other. Thus, a heterosexual couple who is fornicating does not transform their relationship into “marriage” by declaring the quality of their love to be sufficient or equal to married love. They are, radically, unmarried.
What is distinct about a marriage is the relationship.
What differentiates one relationship from another is the quality of that relationship. But a subjectively “higher” quality relationship between any two people (vs. their subjective perception of what any other two people posses) does not a marriage make.

“Outside” and “inside” refer to subjective perception. Marriage is defined not by subjective perception but by objective criteria. Don’t have the essentials? You’re not married. All the legislation in the world will not make you married if you do not possess those essentials. It will allow you to pretend at marriage.
 
Because both aspects are essential to the definition of marriage.

Entities which are not fully “other” to each other, intrinsically, cannot, by definition, unite.

It has nothing to do with “being an outsider.” It has everything to do with language, and definitions which depend on meaning for their validity. And how would you, an outsider to me, possibly know that I was not referring to “love felt between two people?” 😉 That’s not part of the discussion. Marriage is not about (subjective) feelings, but about (objective) realities. A man and a woman in an imperfect marital relationship are truly married, whatever the quality of love is between the two.

Nope. What distinguishes marriage from non-marriage is the radical category, one from the other. Thus, a heterosexual couple who is fornicating does not transform their relationship into “marriage” by declaring the quality of their love to be sufficient or equal to married love. They are, radically, unmarried.

What differentiates one relationship from another is the quality of that relationship. But a subjectively “higher” quality relationship between any two people (vs. their subjective perception of what any other two people posses) does not a marriage make.

“Outside” and “inside” refer to subjective perception. Marriage is defined not by subjective perception but by objective criteria. Don’t have the essentials? You’re not married. All the legislation in the world will not make you married if you do not possess those essentials. It will allow you to pretend at marriage.
Let’s also be clear that you are talking about a religious or philosophical definition of marriage, and not a legal one.
 
Let’s also be clear that you are talking about a religious or philosophical definition of marriage, and not a legal one.
Legal definitions cannot be contrary to the moral law and reason or they would be no law at all. There is this false notion that the law is in some way separate from moral truth. If that is the case then Nazi Germany here we come.
 
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