Liberals are funny

[mary_bobo]

Basicallly, I’m a pro-life Democrat. I believe in paying workers a living wage. I’m generally pro-union. I believe in freedom of speech, even if it is something I disagree with. I believe in the power of a free press. I am against the war in Iraq. I think Pres. Bush is a terrrible president. I don’t believe in using torture to obtain information.

Yes, I really do have all of those animals! We have an acreage, and have plenty of room for them and the kids! A few of the neighbor animals like to stop by and play, too!

Explain, please, what is a living wage? What good do unions accomplish, specifics please. And as far as torture is concerned, did not a spokesman for the president say that the president is not in favor of torture? The discussion now is to determine what "degrading and humiliating treatment " is. What is this kind of treatment in one culture is not in another.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I find it funny that liberals look for ANYTHING to nail orthodox people on. . .

I taught a course the other day and after having to deal with a liberal that said she had been teaching in the catholic schools for 20+ years who felt it was appropriate to abort deformed fetuses and crack babies,

I spoke about JP2s theology of the body wherein he describes the nuptial union of a man and a wife as one of the greatest ‘foretastes’ of heaven that we can experience… Then I explained that in the nuptial union a man and wife receieve sacramental grace. They asked what sacramental grace was so i described the grace we receive in Reconciliation and then also in the Eucharist, etc…

Well i got a call from my boss a few days later about someone (that liberal pro-abortion lady) complaining that i spoke about SEX and the EUCHARIST in the same breath (that is when I spoke about the theology of the body)… She called to say she was ‘OFFENDED’.

LOL, what a moron

um

Your in Steubenville, Ohio and the law of the land is Abortion is legal. Those who support the law are liberals and those who wish to over turn the law are conservative. Unless you mean Cannon Law then those who wish to over turn the law are liberal and those who support existing laws are conservative. So conservatism has little to do with supporting of existing systems (um).

And the teacher (one who taught) choose to abort teaching and call the pupil a moron.

Is it just me, or does something seem wrong here

 

[setter]

And the teacher (one who taught) choose to abort teaching and call the pupil a moron.

Is it just me, or does something seem wrong here

Perhaps a derogatory connotation, but an accurate label none the less for one who has extensive experience in teaching in a Catholic school while adhering to an incorrect and untenable personal opinion for any minimally informed (i.e., informed and well informed conscience) Catholic:

Moron, defn; –noun 1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. 2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.

*Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source *

 

[Sandi]

I think you have a very uncharitable attitude which is hardly suitable for someone who calls herself a Christian.

 

[setter]

I think you have a very uncharitable attitude which is hardly suitable for someone who calls herself a Christian.

Since your post directly follows mine, I ask that you please show me where I (or the OP) extend an “uncharitable attitude” towards characterizing a person who has been a Catholic educator for 20 years (to the impressionable minds of the young none the less!), is nothing but “a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment”, by adhering to the mistaken and untenable belief that it is morally acceptable to kill an unborn child, for whatever reason.

 

[Sandi]

I was referring to the OP and this is what prompted my comment:

LOL, what a moron

I don’t recall Jesus ever name-calling like that, or mocking and laughing at people who didn’t “get” his message. Usually he was disappointed and grieved; only once did he get really mad and that was when He felt that His Father’s house was being defiled.

I never heard him call anyone a moron or anything similar.

 

[Black_Jaque]

I have a question regards to “living wage”.

What exactly is a living wage? I thought it was once defined as a wage capable of supporting a parent at home with the kids (at one time motherhood was valued that much). So men, were paid a “living wage” in order to support their wife who was not earning an income.

Does anyone see the problem with this?

The living wage is essentially 2 peoples wages wrapped up in one. It is not a wage necessarily commensurate with the work done or the value of that employee. It is, by definition, sufficient to support both husband AND wife AND children.

Here’s the problem that I see:

Along comes the liberated woman who decides she is going to enjoy the scintilating excitement of having a career. So she enters the workforce. Then she gets a glimpse of her male counterparts paychecks and sees the injustice of the men being paid a living wage. She does not earn the same living wage because her employer didn’t see it was necessary since she merely had to cover a single woman’s needs (or perhaps this is a second income for the household). The woman decries the injustice.

Now the employer must pay a living wage for all who work for him regardless of whether that employee has dependents or not. This living wage is not based on the value of the work, but solely based on the expense of supporting a family.

It just seems that natural law would not support such an artificial set-up. Either we need to have our living wage and go back to one-income households, or we need to let the free market determine the value of work done. But we can’t base wages on the expense of one-income homes then cheat the system by having two parents earning such wages.

 

[tipiloschi]

I apologize for my choice of words

I have been told to work on my ‘sensitivity’

What would be the proper term for someone who flaunts nearly three decades of teaching abortion to her catholic students?

 

[tipiloschi]

Perhaps a derogatory connotation, but an accurate label none the less for one who has extensive experience in teaching in a Catholic school while adhering to an incorrect and untenable personal opinion for any minimally informed (i.e., informed and well informed conscience) Catholic:

Aha!! So, moron it is!!!

 

[setter]

Aha!! So, moron it is!!!

The dictionary as an unbiased source would objectively support you in this assertion. And frankly, the use of the term “moron” is actually quite a benign way to not impugn judgment or presumption as it leaves open the possiblility that the person in question does not have full charge of their mental capacities.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Perhaps a derogatory connotation, but an accurate label none the less for one who has extensive experience in teaching in a Catholic school while adhering to an incorrect and untenable personal opinion for any minimally informed (i.e., informed and well informed conscience) Catholic:

The dictionary as an unbiased source would objectively support you in this assertion. And frankly, the use of the term “moron” is actually quite a benign way to not impugn judgment or presumption as it leaves open the possiblility that the person in question does not have full charge of their mental capacities.

The irony is overwhelming, is it not?
You chide her for dismissing the church teaching on abortion yet did you dismiss the church teaching on forgiveness. Matthew 5: 38-40 , and Mathew 18: 20-23 24-35

 

[tipiloschi]

Whats going on with CA forums?

Instead of remarking at how HORRIBLE it was that this teacher taught HORRIBLE and POISONOUS things to her students I have been getting reamed for calling her a moron.

DOES ANYONE ELSE CARE THAT SHE IS TEACHING THAT ABORTION OF DEFORMED UNBORN AND CRACK BABIES IS OK?

im sure ill get ‘SCOLDED’ for this too… Yes, come to CA Forums and share your struggles as an orthodox catholic, faithful to the Magisterium dealing with luke-warm catholics throughout our country… After you post be ready for a slew of scoldings in which you are told that you are uncharitible and also be ready for a bunch of wise guys telling you that you are using terms wrong like liberal, or heterodoxy, etc…

Its so much fun… just watch, check back here in a few hours, ill be scolded for being sarcastic and ill probably have some wise guys point out grammar or spelling errors AND NOT ONE OF THEM WILL MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE MORON TEACHER WHO HAS BEEN TEACHING ABORTION TO HER CHILDREN.

INSTEAD ILL BE SCOLDED FOR NOT TEACHING ‘FORGIVENESS’ . . .

ill wait for the scoldings…

The only thing that DRIVES ME MORE CRAZY than LIBERAL and HERETICAL Christian Catholics are PASSIVE CATHOLICS who dont want to do anything about the POISON being taught to our children and who just want to stay at home and be ‘Charitable’.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Explain, please, what is a living wage? What good do unions accomplish, specifics please. And as far as torture is concerned, did not a spokesman for the president say that the president is not in favor of torture? The discussion now is to determine what "degrading and humiliating treatment " is. What is this kind of treatment in one culture is not in another.

Typically a living wage sets the minimum wage of a full time adult employee at the poverty level. Unions originally performed many useful functions which the government now performs. Specifically look up the compensation paid to the families from White Star line when the Titanic sunk. Or you may look at the typical start age of industrial employees in 1910, their working and living conditions and employment conditions.

I do not know what the president said nor what his statesman said, it is unfortunate we are discussing whether our president is really involved in torture, directly, indirectly, or any form- he should have better morals. A public order to prevent torture and consistent private behavior would be quite sufficient. My understanding is more than one prisoner has died - how did that happen? I will not believe it was from shame. It is truly sad and immoral these men are not allowed access through normal legal systems. It is even worse that our President does not understand this.

 

[estesbob]

Typically a living wage sets the minimum wage of a full time adult employee at the poverty level. Unions originally performed many useful functions which the government now performs. Specifically look up the compensation paid to the families from White Star line when the Titanic sunk. Or you may look at the typical start age of industrial employees in 1910, their working and living conditions and employment conditions.

So the living wage is an arbitrary figure set by the Unions? Thats comforting.

I do not know what the president said nor what his statesman said, it is unfortunate we are discussing whether our president is really involved in torture, directly, indirectly, or any form- he should have better morals. A public order to prevent torture and consistent private behavior would be quite sufficient. My understanding is more than one prisoner has died - how did that happen? I will not believe it was from shame. It is truly sad and immoral these men are not allowed access through normal legal systems. It is even worse that our President does not understand this.

There are no credible allegations that any prisioner died as result of torture by US operatives. OTH when the Iraqi’s took over Abu Ghabi the first thing they did was hang 87 prisioners-bet the prisoners prefered to have their US captors back

 

[Texas_Roofer]

So the living wage is an arbitrary figure set by the Unions? Thats comforting.

Those are your words not mine.

There are no credible allegations that any prisioner died as result of torture by US operatives. OTH when the Iraqi’s took over Abu Ghabi the first thing they did was hang 87 prisioners-bet the prisoners prefered to have their US captors back

source
cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/02/iraq/main627244.shtml
So far, military officials have refused to provide a comprehensive list of the incidents of alleged prisoner abuse or homicide that they are investigating. The following list of 11 additional prisoner deaths was pieced together from a number of military sources.

IRAQ:

April 28, 2004: Fahin Ali Gumaa, 44, died several days after receiving multiple gunshot wounds in Baghdad. The circumstances of his shooting are unclear.

Jan. 9, 2004: Abdul Jaleel, 46, held at Forward Operating Base Rifles near Al Asad, Iraq, died of “blunt force injuries and asphyxia.” His death is under investigation.

Nov. 26, 2003: Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a former commander of Saddam Hussein’s air defenses, died during interrogation at Qaim, Iraq. His death may have involved a CIA officer who is an interrogator. Doctors attributed his death to “asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression.” His death is under investigation.

The Denver Post, citing a Pentagon document obtained by the newspaper, reported last week that charges of negligent homicide and involuntary manslaughter will be filed against Chief Warrant Officers Lewis Welshofer and Jeff Williams in the Mowhoush case.

Nov. 4, 2003: Manadel Al-Jamadi, who was being held at Abu Ghraib, the Iraqi prison in which the well-known abuse of prisoners took place, died of “blunt force injuries complicated by compromised respiration,” doctors said. Two CIA personnel, an officer and a contract translator, were present when he died. The agency and the Justice Department are investigating.

September 2003: A soldier shot and killed a prisoner in Iraq who threw rocks at him. The soldier was punished and dismissed from the Army for using excessive force.

June 13, 2003: Dilar Dababa, who was being held near Baghdad, died of what doctors determined was a head injury. Doctors determined his death was a homicide, but no more information has been provided.

June 6, 2003: Prisoner Nagem Sadoon Hatab, a Baath Party member, died of strangulation after a Marine grabbed him by the neck at a holding facility near Nasiriyah. Investigators determined his death was accidental, but several Marines were charged in connection with his treatment.

AFGHANISTAN:

Nov. 6, 2003: Abdul Wahid, an Afghan, died of multiple blunt force injuries, which were complicated by a muscle condition, while in U.S. custody in Helmand province in southwestern Afghanistan. Army spokesmen said Wahid suffered those injures before he was turned over to U.S. forces by Afghan militiamen. He died a few hours later. The case remains under investigation.

June 21, 2003: Abdul Wali, an Afghan prisoner at Asadabad, Afghanistan, died three days after turning himself in to U.S. authorities. A contractor for the CIA, 38-year-old David A. Passaro of Lillington, N.C., has been charged with two counts each of assault and assault with a dangerous weapon — a flashlight — in connection with his death.

Dec. 10, 2002: An Afghan listed only as Dilawar, 22, died Dec. 10, 2002, while being held at Bagram. Doctors attributed his death to “blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease.” His death remains under investigation.

Dec. 3, 2002: Mullah Habibullah, about 28, an Afghan also held at Bagram, died of “pulmonary embolism due to blunt force injuries to the legs,” according to his doctors. His death also remains under investigation.

There have also been several deaths in custody wear soldiers were not found at fault.

Several other deaths occurred at Abu Ghraib prison when guards were putting down riots or responding to escape attempts. According to the Army investigation of the abuse allegations, 21 prisoners were wounded and five killed in shootings by guards.

The Army report, by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, found that investigations into some of the deaths " lacked critical data needed to evaluate the details of each incident."

 

[tipiloschi]

Or theyll just completely change the issue and talk about wages

Now watch… Ill get reemed for saying tha

 

[estesbob]

Those are your words not mine.

source
cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/02/iraq/main627244.shtml
So far, military officials have refused to provide a comprehensive list of the incidents of alleged prisoner abuse or homicide that they are investigating. The following list of 11 additional prisoner deaths was pieced together from a number of military sources.

IRAQ:

April 28, 2004: Fahin Ali Gumaa, 44, died several days after receiving multiple gunshot wounds in Baghdad. The circumstances of his shooting are unclear.

Jan. 9, 2004: Abdul Jaleel, 46, held at Forward Operating Base Rifles near Al Asad, Iraq, died of “blunt force injuries and asphyxia.” His death is under investigation.

Nov. 26, 2003: Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a former commander of Saddam Hussein’s air defenses, died during interrogation at Qaim, Iraq. His death may have involved a CIA officer who is an interrogator. Doctors attributed his death to “asphyxia due to smothering and chest compression.” His death is under investigation.

The Denver Post, citing a Pentagon document obtained by the newspaper, reported last week that charges of negligent homicide and involuntary manslaughter will be filed against Chief Warrant Officers Lewis Welshofer and Jeff Williams in the Mowhoush case.

Nov. 4, 2003: Manadel Al-Jamadi, who was being held at Abu Ghraib, the Iraqi prison in which the well-known abuse of prisoners took place, died of “blunt force injuries complicated by compromised respiration,” doctors said. Two CIA personnel, an officer and a contract translator, were present when he died. The agency and the Justice Department are investigating.

Most of those you listed were from injuries suffered BEFORE they were incarcerated. The rest all turned out ot be unfounded allegations.

Funny how after screaming about the inhumane treament the US supposedly was engaging in we have heard no outcry about the 87 prisioners hung the day after the Iraqis took over, Degrading as it may have been to be led arund by Lindsey England on a leash it beatsthe heck out of being executed…

 

[mommyof4]

Hi mommyof4,
Nobody from America used torture to obtain information.
God bless,
Jonfan

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6102261

Listen to this story that was on NPR morning edition today. You may change your mind.

 

[estesbob]

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6102261

Listen to this story that was on NPR morning edition today. You may change your mind.

If I depended on NPR for information I suspect I would believe the US used torture also. The problem with that is the evidence is overwhelming we dont.

 

[mommyof4]

If I depended on NPR for information I suspect I would dislke Ameirca too.

Did you listen to the story? Feel free to verify it from other sources. I have not had the time. Let me know if you find out anything else, or find anything contrary to the NPR story.