Lies to watch out for

[StrawberryJam]

Since Islam is mostly about you, and since Islam is as much politics as it is religious, I would think everyone would be interested. 97% of Jihad as taught in Islamic texts are violence against the unbelievers with only 3% being the inner struggle they like to tell us. Islam has a religious duty for all Muslims to wage jihad whether by pressure, force or violence. And it can be done by sword, by the tongue or with their money. It is all in their Sharia laws based on their Koran and Sunnah (sira and hadiths).

And there is this thing called taqiyya that is religiously mandated deception.

They influence your political leaders (CAIR), religious leaders (da’wa), movies and other medias (MPAC), your schools (MSA), and other organizations.

You may have misunderstood me. While all of what you say here I would agree with, I don’t see how or what a believer or non believer should be looking for with regard to watching out and guarding ourselves from it. You are correct in that it is a force with influence, as most are with money and power. But, as an average person unconvinced by it’s claims what more can a person do than not aid them in their cause? What kind of forces can they have over me? I think the post I replied to made the implication there was some type of spiritual or supernatural power they have over people which I deny.

 

[josephdavid]

They have no problem crucifying you (they refuse to take crucifixion out from their punishments in such countries as Saudi Arabia who are the main ones pushing the radicals in our lands). And they will take your children either as slaves or rape and force them to convert to Islam.

A healthy dose of history would be a recommendation for you. Islamization has not been a peaceful process in anyone’s history contrary to what they tell us in our schools. It has been bloody.

Has not this happened with in the history of Christianity? Have not Christians murdered, raped, enslaved people in the name of Christianity? Did not Pope’s ordered torture and killings of non-believers?

Does not our own Scriptures said that slavery was permissible?

Have you not read Scripture that says what to do to non-believers?

I stronly suggest you study the history of Christianity before you spread your niave assertions about another group of people.

 

[dzheremi]

Has not this happened with in the history of Christianity? Have not Christians murdered, raped, enslaved people in the name of Christianity? Did not Pope’s ordered torture and killings of non-believers?

Does not our own Scriptures said that slavery was permissible?

Have you not read Scripture that says what to do to non-believers?

I stronly suggest you study the history of Christianity before you spread your niave assertions about another group of people.

I’d be care with this “our” business, JosephDavid. Sgt is an atheist, as you can see in the “religion” column, albeit one of the rare ones who understands that not all religions are equally dangerous to a free way of life.

Heck, some Catholics don’t even recognize that…

 

[StrawberryJam]

Has not this happened with in the history of Christianity? Have not Christians murdered, raped, enslaved people in the name of Christianity? Did not Pope’s ordered torture and killings of non-believers?

Does not our own Scriptures said that slavery was permissible?

Have you not read Scripture that says what to do to non-believers?

I stronly suggest you study the history of Christianity before you spread your niave assertions about another group of people.

You bring up good points here Josephdavid.

Perhaps I too, am guilty of forgetting these very things like the fourth crusade and so on…

And other things that are equally as deadly that are possibly going to happen even as we speak.

I really am confused about trusting christians given their past and sometimes current propensity to abuse their faith with the seeming approval of their leaders on all sides really.

That is I think called the Donatist heresy.

But, there would never have been a Luther had there never been a Great Schism I think.

 

[josephdavid]

I’d be care with this “our” business, JosephDavid. Sgt is an atheist, as you can see in the “religion” column, albeit one of the rare ones who understands that not all religions are equally dangerous to a free way of life.

Heck, some Catholics don’t even recognize that…

I speaking as a Christian. But thank you for the clarifcation.

It is those who politicize religion who are dangerous. Albiet Christian, Jew or Muslim.

 

[staffsgt7]

Has not this happened with in the history of Christianity? Have not Christians murdered, raped, enslaved people in the name of Christianity? Did not Pope’s ordered torture and killings of non-believers?

Does not our own Scriptures said that slavery was permissible?

Have you not read Scripture that says what to do to non-believers?

I stronly suggest you study the history of Christianity before you spread your niave assertions about another group of people.

Why is it that whenever we discuss Islam people have to start blaming others for what Islam teaches in its Koran? Hey, look at the atheists of the 20th and 21st centuries for that matter - they killed people in the millions.

Mention Stalin or Hitler and the response is appropriate, mention a religion that has killing, subjugating or slavery as being ok (yes, it is ok in Islam) then the discussion goes back to Christianity.

Stop it. Face reality. Since 9/11 there has been over 14,300 Islamic terrorist attacks (see thereligionofpeace.com). Since the 1970s there has been over 50,000 Islamic terrorist attacks. I do believe that the left wing has some terrorist attacks since the 1960s too, and possibly some right wing radicals. There is no equivalency since they do not kill per the teachings of Christianity while Jihadists do.

 

[staffsgt7]

You may have misunderstood me. While all of what you say here I would agree with, I don’t see how or what a believer or non believer should be looking for with regard to watching out and guarding ourselves from it. You are correct in that it is a force with influence, as most are with money and power. But, as an average person unconvinced by it’s claims what more can a person do than not aid them in their cause? What kind of forces can they have over me? I think the post I replied to made the implication there was some type of spiritual or supernatural power they have over people which I deny.

There isn’t much except to acknowledge that it is indeed due to the teachings in Islam. Sharia laws define Jihad and it is very explicit as to what Jihad is all about (law # o9.8)

to fight against all the Mushrikun as well as against the people of the Scriptures if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizya (a tax levied on the non-Muslims who do not embrace Islam and are under the protection of an lslamic government) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in the Verse 9:29). So they (Muslims) were not permitted to abandon “the fighting” against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and are able to fight against them (non Muslims).

Jihad is this (as taught in 97% of the time in their texts):

1. Jihad is the highest form of devotion to Allah and Mohammed.
2. Those who do jihad go to Islamic heaven.
3. There are three kinds of jihad: by the sword, by the tongue, and with money.
4. Those who do not participate in jihad or refuse to assist those who do (if they themselves cannot participate) are hypocrites, a very bad thing in Islam (as bad as unbelief).
5. Dying in jihad means you do not get judged for your life, you go right on through to the 72 virgins and the sexual “paradise” that is Islamic heaven, with houris and boys with pearly skin, etc.
6. Allah commands all adherents to do jihad, no exceptions. After all, Allah knows what is best, and adherents don’t.

Our government has known about the Muslim Brotherhood and its front groups in our country. One of them, the MSA is in our schools and we can demand that they be kicked out of ALL of our colleges. Another is Jamaat ul Fuqra and a Pakistani Sheik Gilani has over 35 compounds around the USA and they should be broken up and entered by our FBI (possibly the military). There are so many front organizations that it is pathetic our government hasn’t done something.

Well, I just got this tidbit that they are doing something today! here is an article: Feds move to seize 4 US Mosques and tower linked to Iran. Too many mosques have been funded by the wahabbi Saudis and they should be totally under surveillance. They have been found, in over 220 cases, to have been stocked with hate literature.

The cases of us being so ignorant just goes on and it is all due to our thinking it is none of our business to study Islam. We should study Islam because most of it is about us and how they are to kill, convert or subjugate us.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Why is it that whenever we discuss Islam people have to start blaming others for what Islam teaches in its Koran? Hey, look at the atheists of the 20th and 21st centuries for that matter - they killed people in the millions.

Mention Stalin or Hitler and the response is appropriate, mention a religion that has killing, subjugating or slavery as being ok (yes, it is ok in Islam) then the discussion goes back to Christianity.

Stop it. Face reality. Since 9/11 there has been over 14,300 Islamic terrorist attacks (see thereligionofpeace.com). Since the 1970s there has been over 50,000 Islamic terrorist attacks. I do believe that the left wing has some terrorist attacks since the 1960s too, and possibly some right wing radicals. There is no equivalency since they do not kill per the teachings of Christianity while Jihadists do.

Christians have so much blood on their hands its amazing you can say this.

 

[josephdavid]

There isn’t much except to acknowledge that it is indeed due to the teachings in Islam. Sharia laws define Jihad and it is very explicit as to what Jihad is all about (law # o9.8)

Our government has known about the Muslim Brotherhood and its front groups in our country. One of them, the MSA is in our schools and we can demand that they be kicked out of ALL of our colleges. Another is Jamaat ul Fuqra and a Pakistani Sheik Gilani has over 35 compounds around the USA and they should be broken up and entered by our FBI (possibly the military). There are so many front organizations that it is pathetic our government hasn’t done something.

Well, I just got this tidbit that they are doing something today! here is an article: Feds move to seize 4 US Mosques and tower linked to Iran. Too many mosques have been funded by the wahabbi Saudis and they should be totally under surveillance. They have been found, in over 220 cases, to have been stocked with hate literature.

The cases of us being so ignorant just goes on and it is all due to our thinking it is none of our business to study Islam. We should study Islam because most of it is about us and how they are to kill, convert or subjugate us.

Just as Scripture in the Christain Bible and belief is to kill, convert and subjugate the non-believer.

 

[josephdavid]

Christians have so much blood on their hands its amazing you can say this.

And those who deny this should start with Scripture which tells us to kill the non-believer.

 

[StrawberryJam]

And those who deny this should start with Scripture which tells us to kill the non-believer.

That’s true also.

I have a hard time with the narrative. And christians describing God.

Still, in spite of that I realize no christians actually follow their laws, or I would never be allowed into church.

Times are tough though. Maybe that is why I get in.

 

[josephdavid]

What does the Ku Klux Klan, Timothy McVeigh, Army of God, James Kopp, Eric Rudolf, The Lords Army in Uganda have in common?

All committed terrorism in the name of Christianity with in the 20th and 21st Century.

 

[staffsgt7]

Christians have so much blood on their hands its amazing you can say this.

And their laws deal with murderers and other miscreants. If you are talking about the past then that is a usual response in defense of Islam that still carries on its Jihad and murdering and doing other nasties to people to this day. Hindus killed people too and they are being caught in yet another Jihad just because they are Hindus. How come you don’t bring up Hindus? Or communists? There is a Jihad that was recently declared against the Chinese communists just this year.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/TROP.jpg

Bringing up Christians while discussing Islam is included in my signature - Moldy Muslim Excuses. Please watch it - it is a few minutes in to the video and it is labeled ‘tu quoque’. Can you stick to the topic?

 

[StrawberryJam]

What does the Ku Klux Klan, Timothy McVeigh, Army of God, James Kopp, Eric Rudolf, The Lords Army in Uganda have in common?

All committed terrorism in the name of Christianity with in the 20th and 21st Century.

I’m sorry, you missed Westboro Baptist I think. Emotional terrorism.

 

[Hisalone]

In general, the pagan Arabs - the majority in Arabia - had a very primitive and simple astral and animistic religion of at least 360 gods and goddesses. Among the gods of the pagan Arabs, Allah was one of the most important. In Mecca, Allah was the principal though not the only deity. He had three daughters: Al Lat (Crescent); Al Uzzah (Venus) and Al Manah (Fate) (53:19/20). Besides the Ka’ba of Mecca, caves, trees, waterholes, wells etc. were also venerated especially in a bleak, arid and desolate land as theirs. There were other ‘holy’ sites also called Ka’ba besides the one in Mecca, such as the ones in Petra, Sana’ and Najran.

 

[josephdavid]

I’m sorry, you missed Westboro Baptist I think. Emotional terrorism.

I was going to but could not find any record of actual physical violence which they have committed. Although perhaps psychological terrorism?

 

[Hisalone]

The Arabic name for “God” is the word “Al-ilah.”** It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god. **Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god.
“**Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Mohammed. **It was formerly the name of the chief god among the numerous idols (360) in the Kaaba in Mecca before Mohammed made them into monotheists. Historians have shown that the moon god called “Hubal” was the god to whom Arabs prayed at the Kaa’ba and they used the name “Allah” when they prayed.

Today a Muslim is one who submits to the God Allah.
letusreason.org/islam6.htm

 

[StrawberryJam]

I was going to but could not find any record of actual physical violence which they have committed. Although perhaps psychological terrorism?

Yes sir. Tampering with the grieving is morally reprehensible by any standard.

 

[staffsgt7]

What does the Ku Klux Klan, Timothy McVeigh, Army of God, James Kopp, Eric Rudolf, The Lords Army in Uganda have in common?

All committed terrorism in the name of Christianity with in the 20th and 21st Century.

Actually Timothy McVeigh was agnostic. It was even reported that he worked with Muslims (source: The Third Terrorist) in what he did. Nichols got his bomb making ability from Muslims in the Philippines called the Abu Sayyaf. And that 3rd terrorist just dropped off of everyone’s radar - strange. But when you bring up McVeigh’s deeds you are probably not even aware of all the lawsuits from the survivors and victims of the bombing that was directed at Iraq in the 21st century. And the others you are talking about are cults that are not following the teachings of the NT. I am surprised that so many Christians don’t know their own scripture.

And I am told to study Christianity. Go study it yourself. If a Christian did something bad to others they sin. If an Islamic does something bad to others in the name of allah, they do Jihad and it is sanctioned and honored. Study up on Islam and I would recommend Sharia laws too. Even quoting them to you doesn’t seem to penetrate though.

 

[StrawberryJam]

Yes, all agnostics share the same worldview, and hold meetings in secret to overthrow establishments and go on killing sprees.