Like Ann Coulter, All Faithful Christians Believe "Jews Need to be Perfected"

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Richardols said:
Speaking as a Jew, are you? If not, something about glass houses comes to mind.
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No, I’m speaking as one who has seen first hand the bad fruit of modern Judaism. Judging modern Judaism by its fruits, it is very perverted.
 
Richardols said:
Please do read the posts before responding to them. No one here was discussing the conversion of Jews to Catholicism. Comments were about Coulter’s notion that a Jew becomes “perfected” when he accepts Christ, which is a non-Catholic concept. Genesis 315 explained the matter quite well.

BTW, the Church says that Jews and others, for that matter, can be saved, though not easily, even if not formally converted to Catholicism.
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The Church has also said, through her many years, that the Talmud is an evil work, and that Jews ought to be converted into the Catholic flock.

I will never respect a book as satanic as the Talmud, which is the core of modern Judaism. Liberal “Reform” Jews seem to hold the Talmud in higher esteem than they do the Torah. The Talmud says, among other things, that Jesus was a magician, He deserved death, that Mary was a prostitute, that gentiles are inferior, etc. Truly evil. I pity the poor Jews that read that book without knowing just how dangerous it is.

The Catholic Chrch has always protected the Jews and denounced the racist idea of anti-semetism, but it has also condemned the many blasphemies produced by modern Judaism.
 
Ann Coulter did go far enough. She should have said “There is no Salvation Outside the Church” CCC846.
 
Gardening_Mommy said:
“Completed Jew” or “perfected Jew” would probably have offended the ADL equally. They both indicate a lack of something, and, sadly, most modern Jews are no longer looking for the Messiah. No longer seeking Him, they look to social justice programs and charity to provide completion, frequently including pro-abortion causes. Like most secularists, they deny that they lack anything. (The Orthodox Jews are different, but they are no longer the majority in the Jewish community.)

Also, I heard Scott Hahn mention on an EWTN series that historians generally agree that most Jews did become Christians. The pre-Christian census and the first few post-crucifixtion censuses show a sharp decline (about 90%) in the numbers of Jews in the Roman Empire, only partially explained by the scattering of the Jews out of Palestine after the destruction of the Second Temple in the late first century.

Unfortunately, I can point to exactly the reason why Foxman claims that the Catholic Church has repudiated all efforts to convert the Jews: the document from the USCCB in 2002 that specifically denied that Jews need to become Christians, stating that the Jewish covenant was sufficient for salvation.

Rosalind Moss (a convert to Catholicism from Judaism by way of evangelical Protestantism) wrote a reply article that argued against the USCCB document. Below is the link to the This Rock article she wrote. This was the cover article, described on the cover as, “Why Jews Deserve the Gospel.”

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0210fea1.asp

Permit me to copy one paragraph (italics in the original):

The report “Reflections on Covenant and Mission” is the last report listed on the Jewish Relations page at the USCCB website, although there is no link to it, unlike the other reports and most of the news conference statements, up to and including the news release for 1 June, 2007. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to have been recalled.
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Gardening,

Thanks for posting that excerpt! God bless Rosalind Moss for her courage to publish the truth. The USCCB seems like its gone into apostasy for all practical purposes. It’s one troubling error-filled document after another from it.
 
Steve40 said:
Ann Coulter did go far enough. She should have said “There is no Salvation Outside the Church” CCC846.
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is there any reason to think she’s catholic? for all we know she may hold to “once saved always saved” or some other non-catholic doctrine.
 
I think it would be a mistake to think she speaks for anyone other than herself. It is unclear as to exactly which Christian group she belongs to. But to say she speaks for all Christians, no.

God bless,
Ed
 
jco2004 said:
She is not harmless because a lot of people take her seriously. And she exploits them for fame and profit. Joe
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So, when you say “exploits” do you mean the fact that she rights books and people who like and/or agree with what she says buy them? If so, there’s an awful lot of exploitation out there on the bookshelves. 😛
 
rlg94086 said:
So, when you say “exploits” do you mean the fact that she rights books and people who like and/or agree with what she says buy them? If so, there’s an awful lot of exploitation out there on the bookshelves. 😛
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Uh, yes there is a lot of exploitation out there on the bookshelves. But I was responding to the poster who said she was harmless because she writes “tongue in cheek”. If she is writing “tongue in cheek”, but knows, as she must, that there are many people who take her seriously, then she is exploiting them. Is there anything unclear about that? Joe
 
Richardols said:
Either phrase is insulting, and entirely non-Catholic. Where does the Catholic Church use that term? NOWHERE!

It’s term used by Fundamentalists and Evangelicals that goes along with their odd eschatology. We Catholics do well not to jump on their bandwagon.

BTW, Jews who convert to Catholicism become CATHOLICS, not completed anythings.
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Is Coulter Catholic?
 
jco2004 said:
Uh, yes there is a lot of exploitation out there on the bookshelves. But I was responding to the poster who said she was harmless because she writes “tongue in cheek”. If she is writing “tongue in cheek”, but knows, as she must, that there are many people who take her seriously, then she is exploiting them. Is there anything unclear about that? Joe
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You are making the false assumption that her readers (and listeners) don’t know when she is making a tongue-in-cheek comment versus when she is serious. I think only her detractors aren’t bright enough to figure it out. 😉

BTW…regarding Christians being perfected Jews…she was serious.
 
Ann Coulter, in her very public personna, proclaims Jesus, the Son of God, and she does it in front of the entire world. She is being pilloried for this.
She has praised Him overtly and…

she should rejoice becuase her reward will be great in Heaven.

Her detractors CANNOT offer her eternal life.
 
rlg94086 said:
So, when you say “exploits” do you mean the fact that she rights books and people who like and/or agree with what she says buy them? If so, there’s an awful lot of exploitation out there on the bookshelves. 😛
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“rights” 😛 What a nin-cow-poop. 🙂
 
rlg94086 said:
You are making the false assumption that her readers (and listeners) don’t know when she is making a tongue-in-cheek comment versus when she is serious. I think only her detractors aren’t bright enough to figure it out. 😉

BTW…regarding Christians being perfected Jews…she was serious.
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You’re right, I’m a dunce. I guess it’s only a matter of time before Phi Beta Kappa finds out, and kicks me out.

Btw, when she said that Timothy McVeigh should have blown up the New York Times building, was she tongue-in-cheek or serious? I’m really not bright enough to tell. Joe
 
johnstown_johnn said:
Ann Coulter, in her very public personna, proclaims Jesus, the Son of God, and she does it in front of the entire world. She is being pilloried for this.
She has praised Him overtly and…

she should rejoice becuase her reward will be great in Heaven.

Her detractors CANNOT offer her eternal life.
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Coulter is also pro-life.

We should buy her books as a sign of support.
 
I am surprised that Ann’s response to the criticism hasn’t been brought up here yet. Check this out if you haven’t already:

newsmax.com/insidecover/Coulter_Jewish_reply/2007/10/17/41664.html

Ann may not be Catholic, but she clearly has done her homework regarding Catholic doctine and communicates Catholic concerns in her explanations, to the point of quoting the old Roman missal regarding our prayers for Jew’s salvation.

-Larry
 
Gardening_Mommy said:
The report “Reflections on Covenant and Mission” is the last report listed on the Jewish Relations page at the USCCB website, although there is no link to it, unlike the other reports and most of the news conference statements, up to and including the news release for 1 June, 2007. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to have been recalled.
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Has anyone seen the document? If not, here it is:

jcrelations.net/en/?item=966

It quite thoroughly explains the opinion that the church should not attempt to evangelize the Jewish faith. I raised this issue here before because I was genuinely confused on what Church opinon is on the matter. Unfortunately nobody addressed it then, but perhaps we can get some clarification now.

-Larry
 
ltravis said:
Has anyone seen the document? If not, here it is:

jcrelations.net/en/?item=966

It quite thoroughly explains the opinion that the church should not attempt to evangelize the Jewish faith. I raised this issue here before because I was genuinely confused on what Church opinon is on the matter. Unfortunately nobody addressed it then, but perhaps we can get some clarification now.

-Larry
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I get confused by this as well. I don’t target any particular group for evangelization, but I really have a hard time understanding a prohibition against evangelizing Jews. I’m 100% certain that the Apostles did some evangelization of Jews.
 
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