Lineages of Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary

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The following is my understanding of the lineages of Joseph, and the Blessed Virgin Mary, based on the Bible, Church Fathers, etc, though not a comprehensive list of family names.

Lineage of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Emorun + Stolanus begot Ismeria, Emerentia, Enue:

Ismeria + Eliud begot Sobe, St. Anne, Maraha, and ? (daughter)
Sobe + Salomo begot Eliud, Mary Salome, and ? (daughter who was an aunt of the
bridegroom at the wedding in Cana)
Eliud + widow Maroni of Naim begot a son (the boy raised from the dead by Jesus)
Mary Salome + Zebedee begot John (Apostle) and James (Apostle)
St. Anne + St. Heli (Joachim) begot Blessed Virgin Mary
Blessed Virgin Mary (begot Jesus) + St. Joseph
Maraha + ? begot ? (daughter), Arastaria, and Cocharia

Emerentia + Aphras (Ophras) begot St. Elizabeth, Enue, and Rhoda
St. Elizabeth + Zechariah begot St. John the Baptist
Enue + ? begot ?
Rhoda + ? begot Mara

Enue (sister of Ismeria and Emerentia) + ? begot ?

Lineage of St. Joseph

Matthan + ? begot Jacob and Joses
Matthan’s widow (?) + Levi begot Matthat

Matthat + ? begot St. Heli (Joachim)
St. Heli (Joachim) + St. Anne begot Blessed Virgin Mary

Jacob + ? begot Zadoch, Alphaeus, St. Joseph, ? (son), ? (son), and ? (son)
Zadoch + ? begot ? (son), ? (son), ? (daughter), and ? (daughter)
Alphaeus + Mary begot Simon, Joseph, James (Apostle), and Judas (Apostle)
St. Joseph + Blessed Virgin Mary (begot Jesus)

Joses + ? begot ?

Note:
  • St. Anne’s father, Eliud, was of the tribe of Levi; her mother, Ismeria, was of the tribe of Benjamin
  • Matthan descended from David through Solomon
  • When Matthan died, his widow married as her second husband Levi (descended from David through Nathan)
  • St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary are both descendants of David
Thoughts?
 
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Heli may be actually Jacob’s next of kin and as such, he married his kinsman’s widow.
 
Lunam_Meam said:
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We just had two threads on this:
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Luke 2:33 Confusion Sacred Scripture
Luke 2:33 as translated in (RSV) says: And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him. Seems like mentioning (father) in the RSV translation could cause confusion with the idea of the Virgin birth. Whereas the same passage - Luke 2:33 as translated in (KJV) says: And Joseph and his mother marveled at those things which were spoken of him. No confusion in KJV translation.
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Mary lineage question Sacred Scripture
Where does it prophesy in the Old Testament, that the Messiah will come from the fruit of David (whatever it is says, haha)? Thanks and God bless!
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Julius_Caesar said:
Heli may be actually Jacob’s next of kin and as such, he married his kinsman’s widow.
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St. Heli (Joachim) and Jacob (St. Joseph’s father) were step-brothers. St. Heli married St. Ann, and together begot the Blessed Virgin Mary.
 
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Lunam_Meam said:
Heli (Joachim) and Jacob (St. Joseph’s father) were step-brothers. Heli married St. Ann, and together begot the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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According to Sextus Julius Africanus. Heli was Joseph’s natural father and Jacob was Joseph’s legal father. It’s a Levirate marriage.
 
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It’s more plausible than what I’ve seen. It’s also the earliest explanation.

Also Sextus Africanus lived around the area, so he’d have more access to traditions about Jesus.
 
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Julius_Caesar:
According to Sextus Julius Africanus. Heli was Joseph’s natural father and Jacob was Joseph’s legal father.
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No, Julius Africanus said St. Joseph was the son of Jacob by nature, and St. Hell (St. Heli or St. Joachim) by law.
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Okay. But Africanus is speaking of a Levirate marriage. To him, Luke is talking of a Levirate marriage, not referencing Mary’s genealogy.
 
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Okay. But Africanus is speaking of a Levirate marriage. To him, Luke is talking of a Levirate marriage, not referencing Mary’s genealogy.
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I never said Luke 3:23-38 is referencing the Blessed Virgin Mary’s genealogy.
 
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Julius_Caesar said:
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Lunam_Meam:
St. Anne + St. Heli (Joachim) begot Blessed Virgin Mary
Blessed Virgin Mary (begot Jesus) + St. Joseph
Maraha + ? begot ? (daughter), Arastaria, and Cocharia
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I never said Luke 3:23-38 is referencing the Blessed Virgin Mary’s genealogy.
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Ah, yes. And, even the Catholic Church refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary’s father as being St. Joachim (Hell/Heli), based on the Gospel of James.
 
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And, even the Catholic Church refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary’s father as being St. Joachim (Hell/Heli), based on the Gospel of James.
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Nope. That’s a school of thought within the Church that makes Joachim into Heli.
 
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And, even the Catholic Church refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary’s father as being St. Joachim (Hell/Heli), based on the Gospel of James.
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In M. R. James’ edition of the Apocryphal New Testament, Mary’s parents are named in the book of James as Ioacim (i.e. Joachim) and Anna. I see no mention of the name Hell or Heli.
 
Forgive me for saying this, but you seem to be dodging the question. Can you please confirm that the book of James gives the name of Mary’s father only as “Ioacim” or Joachim, and not as Hell or Heli?
 
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