Listening to the Beatles

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If you know anything about the Beatles themselves, you know they were largely good people.

As for their songs, this is downright confusing. What can be evil about firemen running about Penny Lane?
 
Its important to remember none of the Beatles were christians, in fact I believe they were all heavily into eastern Mysticism type stuff, didnt they have their own Yogi that traveled with them?

Plus, most people just listen because they like the beat (music), its not so much about the lyrics imo.
 
Its important to remember none of the Beatles were christians, in fact I believe they were all heavily into eastern Mysticism type stuff, didnt they have their own Yogi that traveled with them?
The Beatles had Irish Catholic roots. They were baptised Catholics. Listen to the song “Let It Be.” Although they were into new age/hindu stuff as well.
 
I thought we were discussing the actual lyrics, not our most uncharitable, ungrounded personal interpretations of those lyrics.

If that’s the case, then maybe “Amazing Grace” is about a woman named Grace who rocked John Newton’s world in bed. Do you see how absurd this can get?

Each verse refers to one of the band-members. It’s not sinful to poke a little fun at yourself. 🙂

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Again, if we were to refuse to listen to anything that could even possibly be taken the wrong way we would have to shut ourselves up in isolation. Again, think about the “thats what she said” game, just about any innocent phrase, even when meant innocently, can be turned into a perverted statement. So you can hopefully see why “This song is terrible because there is a rumor going around that it can be understood to have dirty connotations and so you shouldn’t listen to it” isn’t all that compelling of an argument. When you don’t take it in a dirty way it is a wonderful song, with extremely wholesome lyrics, so why insist on adding dirty connotations to it? Why not just accept it as a great and enjoyable song that promotes wholesome values. Basically, why be like those who play “thats what she said” and look for more opportunities to interpret things in dirty ways?
 
Its important to remember none of the Beatles were christians, in fact I believe they were all heavily into eastern Mysticism type stuff, didnt they have their own Yogi that traveled with them?

Plus, most people just listen because they like the beat (music), its not so much about the lyrics imo.
I think George Harrison was an official Hindu or at least he died a Hindu.
But yeah the band themselves became hippies because it was popular with youths at the time, they did the LSD stuff and go into the hippie religious stuff which was Eastern things.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie#Spirituality_and_religion
 
It would be naive to believe that songwriters do not have an agenda. If you want to open yourself to sin, that’s fine for you, but you shouldn’t be preaching it to others.
If I believe the song is innocent, and so when I listen to it it reinforces my belief in the importance of innocence and chastity just how am I opening up myself to sin by listening to it?
 
The Beatles had Irish Catholic roots. They were baptised Catholics. Listen to the song “Let It Be.” Although they were into new age/hindu stuff as well.
IIRC, John, Paul and Ringo dabbled in it in '67-'68 but became disgusted by the Maharishi and his antics. One of John’s songs, in fact, is (or was intended to be) a veiled attack on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I think it’s the one that became “Sexy Sadie”. George is the only one to have gone full-on New-Age.

I don’t know where Paul and Ringo are religiously, but it seemed that John was for a time agnostic or even atheist (most notably in his solo song Imagine).
 
If I believe the song is innocent, and so when I listen to it it reinforces my belief in the importance of innocence and chastity just how am I opening up myself to sin by listening to it?
It only takes a small seed for sin to take root. Your belief that the song is innocent leads you to rationalize that the seed does not exist and before you know it, your reasoning has been compromised.
 
Yes, if you take the lyrics literally to mean someone’s hand…I’m not so sure that that’s they were singing about. Isn’t that the one of the songs that got the gay treatment on “Glee” not too long ago?
you’ve GOT to be kidding…give me a break.
In 1964 they were talking about hand holding.
Sheesh.

I’m reminded about a 3 yr. old who bent over to look at a duckling and her father said “stop showing your underpants! that’s disgusting!” And then seeing the hurt on the small child’s face. That guy make me furious.

A person can make anything seem dirty.
Is it healthy to look for the bad in everything?
No way.
Look for the good.
You’ll be a lot less fearful.

There’s nasty music out there. Yes. Don’t listen to it.
But looking for some kind of “dirty lyrics” from a tamer time?
Silly.
 
I love the Beatles, but it seems that almost every one of their songs condones sin in some way or another. So many of their songs have at least one line that either explicitly condones or could be interpreted as condoning sinful behavior or denial of church teaching. At what point does it become sinful to listen to a song with such lyrics? Does it just take one lyric to be sinful to listen to, or is it permissible to a degree? By what standards are we to judge?
Personally I cannot stand the beatles as individuals and I think their later music is as you describe. But lets be fair.
I want to hold your hand
She loves you
Can’t buy me love
Love me do
A hard day’s night
I feel fine
Eight days a week
Ticket to ride (possible sin of living together.)
Help!
Yesterday
We can work it out
Paperback writer (possible opulence?)

That is a 2-3 year span of number one hits that have very little to do with sin. And actually it is the majority of their number one hits.
Again, I do not like the Beatles. I detest them. But lets not over generalize.
 
It only takes a small seed for sin to take root. Your belief that the song is innocent leads you to rationalize that the seed does not exist and before you know it, your reasoning has been compromised.
I’m not rationalizing anything. I have no doubt, not even a niggling sensation hiding in the back of my mind that there is something immoral going on in the song. When I listen to it all I hear is a beautiful and innocent song. By your reasoning we are “opening ourselves up to sin” by listening to a conversation such as “Hey Joe, hows your gardening going?” “its going really well, I really love my new hoe” Because people could take that to mean that the person is being immoral sexually. If I were to follow your reasoning on this I would have to shut myself up in a locked room, and put my fingers in my ears to make sure I don’t hear anything that might be understood by somebody somewhere to be dirty. 🤷
 
It only takes a small seed for sin to take root. Your belief that the song is innocent leads you to rationalize that the seed does not exist and before you know it, your reasoning has been compromised.
I suppose if you’re a complete numbskull with no education.
Honestly, this looking for evil in every corner stuff is giving Satan way too much credit. Why are we busy giving him so much face time?
I don’t believe that everyone in the world is not smart enough to know the difference between dirty lyrics and simple, entertaining pop songs.
As a musician myself, I find this attitude patronizing and insulting.
I’m all for guarding your soul. Against real threats. Like abortion, agendas of evil intent, and pornography. Old pop music?
Go after real evil instead of peering into the souls of others.
 
If you know anything about the Beatles themselves, you know they were largely good people.

As for their songs, this is downright confusing. What can be evil about firemen running about Penny Lane?
what do you mean by good? John Lennon said he would be more popular than Jesus. They all did drugs at one time or another. They practiced eastern Hinduism, I see interviews with Paul McCarthy that were full of swearing. They weren’t the nice people they tried to project.
 
Personally I cannot stand the beatles as individuals and I think their later music is as you describe. But lets be fair.
I want to hold your hand
She loves you
Can’t buy me love
Love me do
A hard day’s night
I feel fine
Eight days a week
Ticket to ride (possible sin of living together.)
Help!
Yesterday
We can work it out
Paperback writer (possible opulence?)

That is a 2-3 year span of number one hits that have very little to do with sin. And actually it is the majority of their number one hits.
Again, I do not like the Beatles. I detest them. But lets not over generalize.
I agree, I think one would have to have a twisted mind to look for blatant sin in any of those early hits. The Beatles were a one of a kind band. They did have talent, they were innovative for their time. Their music evolved as they did and it was their popularity and out of control lives that eventually were their undoing. Their music did reflect what they eventually involved themselves in such as drugs and eastern religions. Someone mentioned Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds which even Paul McCarty admitted in later interviews was about LSD even though it was claimed to be about some picture John Lennon’s son drew. Hey Jude clearly has the lyrics about drugs use but again it was claimed to be written to cheer up John’s son over his dad’s divorce. That is what great song writing does, it has multiple meanings and levels. Now is it sin to listen to all of the above? I probably don’t think so, their hits and songs have become ingrained in our culture. Do people now do drugs do to Hey Jude or Lucy? I don’t think so. Whether one loves them, hates them or in-between, they were a major influential band that now transcends time, a very talented and influential.
 
I agree, I think one would have to have a twisted mind to look for blatant sin in any of those early hits. The Beatles were a one of a kind band. They did have talent, they were innovative for their time. Their music evolved as they did and it was their popularity and out of control lives that eventually were their undoing. Their music did reflect what they eventually involved themselves in such as drugs and eastern religions. Someone mentioned Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds which even Paul McCarty admitted in later interviews was about LSD even though it was claimed to be about some picture John Lennon’s son drew. Hey Jude clearly has the lyrics about drugs use but again it was claimed to be written to cheer up John’s son over his dad’s divorce. That is what great song writing does, it has multiple meanings and levels. Now is it sin to listen to all of the above? I probably don’t think so, their hits and songs have become ingrained in our culture. Do people now do drugs do to Hey Jude or Lucy? I don’t think so. Whether one loves them, hates them or in-between, they were a major influential band that now transcends time, a very talented and influential.
Because the Beatles were so big, people forget that they were just a band. And like any band I can think of they had a downward trajectory. Musically and personally. They lost their innocence in front of the world. From I want to hold your hand to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. The Trajectory is clear. And like any downward spiral, it only ends in tragedy. If I am speaking with someone and they mention the Beatles, I don’t hold it against them. However, if they mention how great their stuff got towards the end, well then they have automatically told me about their values. Just because one can write double meanings and drug references into songs does not make the songs any more artistic than “I want to hold your hand” There are some real loonies out there. I am not kidding when I say that people have devoted most of their stoned lives to figuring out who a walrus was and an eggman.🤷 But this downward trajectory is not unique to the Beatles. Michael Jackson, Elvis, Heck, even Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus. Anyone who tells you that “Scream” was better than “ABC 123” or “Thriller” has had too much Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

I don’t like the Beatles. I especially don’t like what their fans seem to stand for. I don’t like them personally, and I don’t like them musically. BUT when "hard day’s night comes on in the car my wife my kids and yes, even I, sing it at the top of our lungs.

But to be fair, the same can be said for “Call Me Maybe”.😃
 
Because the Beatles were so big, people forget that they were just a band. And like any band I can think of they had a downward trajectory. Musically and personally. They lost their innocence in front of the world. From I want to hold your hand to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. The Trajectory is clear. And like any downward spiral, it only ends in tragedy. If I am speaking with someone and they mention the Beatles, I don’t hold it against them. However, if they mention how great their stuff got towards the end, well then they have automatically told me about their values. Just because one can write double meanings and drug references into songs does not make the songs any more artistic than “I want to hold your hand” There are some real loonies out there. I am not kidding when I say that people have devoted most of their stoned lives to figuring out who a walrus was and an eggman.🤷 But this downward trajectory is not unique to the beatles. Michael Jackson, Elvis, Heck, even Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus. Anyone who tells you that “Scream” was better than “ABC 123” or “Thriller” has had too much Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

I don’t like the Beatles. I especially don’t like what their fans seem to stand for. I don’t like them personally, and I don’t like them musically. BUT there is no way that if "hard day’s night comes on in the car my wife my kids and yes, even me sing it at the top of our lungs.

But to be fair, the same can be said for “Call Me Maybe”.😃
Yes, I agree with you 100%! 👍
 
Hoosier Daddy,
yea, from “call me maybe” to “Roar” then to “Dark Horse” and performing witchcraft on the grammies. I think the price of fame and fortune really isn’t worth it when one sells out their soul and leaves their Christian faith.
 
Hoosier Daddy,
yea, from “call me maybe” to “Roar” then to “Dark Horse” and performing witchcraft on the grammies. I think the price of fame and fortune really isn’t worth it when one sells out their soul and leaves their Christian faith.
I agree!
 
John Lennon said he would be more popular than Jesus.
That is NOT what he said! If you are going to use an example, then at least get it right.
all did drugs at one time or another.
And they all eventually stopped, too. Do you consider the same in people who sin at one time or another?
eastern Hinduism,
George Harrison was the only one who established an attachment to Hindu perspectives…does that really make him so bad? He was never Catholic nor had he ever professed to being Christian. In his own words, his family wasn’t “anything.” Or are you saying that all Hindus are bad people because they aren’t Catholic?
interviews with Paul McCarthy that were full of swearing. They weren’t the nice people they tried to project.
Really? I’d appreciate a link. I’ve seen many interviews with McCartney and, other than the English habit that if foreign to us here in America, never heard anything like you describe.

And how do you know they weren’t nice people?
 
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