Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary - over the top?!

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KofC660 said:
The Waters need the Well to be accessed and worshiped by mankind, and because the Well supplies us with the Waters, it is honored.

Jesus needed to be born to a woman to be accessed and worshiped by mankind, and because Mary bore Jesus (the meaning of the word “Theotokos” is “God bearer”), she is honored.
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ok that makes sense, I would answer that the birth required Mary and she should be honoured for that, but as for Jesus’ adult life and works, they are to be honoured to Him only and nowhere does the Bible state that Mary is needed to access Jesus, it teaches us the opposite.

I know that the tradition of teh church is maybe different but it cannot contradict scripture, so I don’t understand how you can say that we NEED Mary as a well to access the water of Jesus… she gave birth to him and this allowed us to access him directly.
 
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ok that makes sense, I would answer that the birth required Mary and she should be honoured for that, but as for Jesus’ adult life and works, they are to be honoured to Him only and nowhere does the Bible state that Mary is needed to access Jesus, it teaches us the opposite.

I know that the tradition of teh church is maybe different but it cannot contradict scripture, so I don’t understand how you can say that we NEED Mary as a well to access the water of Jesus… she gave birth to him and this allowed us to access him directly.
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drbo.org/chapter/50002.htm

John 2:1-10
1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage. 3 And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. 4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. 5 His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye. 6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece. 7 Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it. 9 And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom, 10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.
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4 “What is that to me”… These words of our Saviour, spoken to his mother, have been understood by some commentators as harsh, they not considering the next following verse: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye, which plainly shows that his mother knew of the miracle that he was to perform, and that it was at her request he wrought it; besides the manner of speaking the words as to the tone, and the countenance shown at the same time, which could only be known to those who were present, or from what had followed: for words indicating anger in one tone of voice, would be understood quite the reverse in another.
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Penitus said:
So in other words, times mentioned = worship?
You better throw Acts out of your Bible then, because Luke (as the author of Acts) mentions Paul’s name more than Christ’s.
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Hi Pentis
Sorry, but I think that you need to go back and count. Here is my count, but I might be of a few.

Paul- 132

Lord- 110
Savior- 2
Son- 6
Jesus- 61
Christ- 31
= 216
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NonDenom said:
Hi Pentis
Sorry, but I think that you need to go back and count. Here is my count, but I might be of a few.

Paul- 132

Lord- 110
Savior- 2
Son- 6
Jesus- 61
Christ- 31
Code: 
   = 216
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Let me ask you a question:

Is Mary the Mother of God?
 
KofC660 said:
drbo.org/chapter/50002.htm

John 2:1-10
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are there any other instances where Jesus follows Mary’s wishes - is this a similar idea to how Catholics understand intercession by Mary to Jesus? That he will do his Mothers wishes in order to honour his Mother?

I’ve been really struggling to pray for a long time and I find myself distracted easily and with nothing to say and I’ve been praying for help on the matter for ages. A few days ago I clearly remember getting the feeling that I needed to pray my rosary (which i began to learn a while ago and then stopped) for help from Mary because I needed to be reconnected with God and I needed help doing so because I don’t have any words of my own to say to Him. So this matter’s really troubled me because I can’t bring myself to humble myself or honour anyone but God, and I often struggle with that at the moment…although I am getting very slowly better… sorry that turned into a ramble 😊
 
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Hi Pentis
Sorry, but I think that you need to go back and count. Here is my count, but I might be of a few.
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Paul- 132
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Lord- 110
Savior- 2
Son- 6
Jesus- 61
Christ- 31
= 216
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Let me ask you a question:
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Is Mary the Mother of God?
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Hi
First of all I don’t know what this question has to do with my reply, but oh well.
NO, God existed (and has always existed) before Mary was born.
 
NonDenom said:
Hi
First of all I don’t know what this question has to do with my reply, but oh well.
NO, God existed (and has always existed) before Mary was born.
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A = B
C = D of A
THEREFORE
C = D of B

Jesus = God
Mary = Mother of Jesus
THEREFORE
Mary = Mother of God

Simple - deny this and you’re denying the true Jesus. You see, the title Theotokos isn’t really all that about Mary but mainly about Jesus, who is both fully man and fully God.

God bless,
~G
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
A = B
C = D of A
THEREFORE
C = D of B

Jesus = God
Mary = Mother of Jesus
THEREFORE
Mary = Mother of God

Simple - deny this and you’re denying the true Jesus. You see, the title Theotokos isn’t really all that about Mary but mainly about Jesus, who is both fully man and fully God.

God bless,
~G
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as an anglican that title confused me until i realised that the title of God-bearer is to emphasise the human nature of God… so that we don’t view Jesus as solely divine…but by linking Him to Mary we know that he is also fully man. The title applied to Mary is more about emphasising the true human nature of Christ that may have come under debate over the years, it’s not really about elevating Mary’s status.

I think I read that some place and it made sense to me.
 
I think in some cases, some are unable to accept that one can be a Mother without being a Creator…

Also, as far as being a mother to Jesus, did not Elizabeth refer to Mary as the “mother of my Lord” ???
 
KnightforChrist said:
I think in some cases, some are unable to accept that one can be a Mother without being a Creator…

Also, as far as being a mother to Jesus, did not Elizabeth refer to Mary as the “mother of my Lord” ???
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Nestorianism runs rampant through the whole of Protestantism.
 
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of Life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

This is the Nicene creed that I spoke in church this morning and “is an ecumenical Christian statement of faith accepted in the Roman Catholic, Syrian Orthodox (Jacobite), Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and many other Protestant Churches.”

to state that protestantism is rife with misconception is to lump every non roman catholic together with one label and it is simply not accurate…
 
KnightforChrist said:
I think in some cases, some are unable to accept that one can be a Mother without being a Creator…

Also, as far as being a mother to Jesus, did not Elizabeth refer to Mary as the “mother of my Lord” ???
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Yes, you are right. Some protestants really have problems getting this into their heads because they view God too narrowly and also because some thing that this is saying that Mary is mother of the whole Trinity. This is of course not true because it’s only referring to Jesus.

I heard some Protestants trying to argue out of this by claiming that she is not the Mother of God but mother of God the Son, one person of the Trinity. However (as the title suggests) Jesus is not “God’s liver or leg or whatever else” he **is ** fully God.

It’s just sad.
 
Abira said:
This is the Nicene creed that I spoke in church this morning and “is an ecumenical Christian statement of faith accepted in the Roman Catholic, Syrian Orthodox (Jacobite), Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and many other Protestant Churches.”

to state that protestantism is rife with misconception is to lump every non roman catholic together with one label and it is simply not accurate…
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Anglicanism is a strange breed, with many Anglicans being fully Catholic/orthodox, simply in schism with the Church, and some being fully heretical - all depending on their personal feelings towards various issues.

Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, etc., however, are fully heretical, if not apostate.

Just because you are an Anglican, don’t think I automatically believe you are a heretic…
 
KofC660 said:
Anglicanism is a strange breed, with many Anglicans being fully Catholic/orthodox, simply in schism with the Church, and some being fully heretical - all depending on their personal feelings towards various issues.

Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, etc., however, are fully heretical, if not apostate.

amen to that lol…

Just because you are an Anglican, don’t think I automatically believe you are a heretic…
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and er…thanks, for that 🙂 lol
 
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