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Why do some people here get so worried about the little things at church? 🤷 Does it really matter if we are holding hands, not holding hands, singing contemporary praise songs or traditional hymns, kneeling too much or too little? As long as we are not intentionally being disrespectful and as long as we are doing our best to do as Jesus would want us to do then we are good with God. I really think some people here come across as overly pious and self-righteous and it is a real shame. In fact, posts like these just clutter the forums. We are told not to worry about tomorrow because tomorrow will take care of itself. Think about how God feeds the sparrows. We have no need to worry about the little things. Relax and enjoy being in the grace of God:)
I agree, but that is just the nature of some people. All parishes have the “tsk, tsk” ladies to some degree or another. Some them actually have computer access and choose to come here with some of it. Does it make it wrong? No, that is just their nature and they are at the point of their lives where they can choose to notice those things.

I am like you, I do not get nitpicky at mass, as that is not why I am there. No two masses are alike, there are always differences and mistakes in each one. Does it make it invalid? Of course not, masses are designed to be imperfect as there is not a perfect person taking part in it.
 
why we are questioning about others worrying about little things, if we are the ones who are also worried those little mentioned by others.
Think about how God feeds the sparrows. We have no need to worry about the little things.
You are right that God feeds the sparrows - the little things. He is worried about the little things. 😉
 
Think about how God feeds the sparrows. We have no need to worry about the little things.
You are right that God feeds the sparrows - the little things. He is worried about the little things. 😉
 
I agree, but that is just the nature of some people. All parishes have the “tsk, tsk” ladies to some degree or another. Some them actually have computer access and choose to come here with some of it. Does it make it wrong? No, that is just their nature and they are at the point of their lives where they can choose to notice those things.

I am like you, I do not get nitpicky at mass, as that is not why I am there. No two masses are alike, there are always differences and mistakes in each one. Does it make it invalid? Of course not,** masses are designed to be imperfect as there is not a perfect person taking part in it**.

Really --designed to be imperfect–as there are no perfect people taking part in it. Now lets take your way of thinking and apply it to other areas of human life.

Lets take marriage for example. Marriage is between 2 imperfect people. So if one spouse cheats by taking a lover—well what can we say—marriage is designed to be imperfect as there is not a perfect person taking part in it. Lets include abuse. One spouse physically/mentally abuses the other—again—marriage is designed to be imperfect.

What I am pointing out is we seem to be giving in to our human imperfection and using it condone our actions. None of us are perfect—but instead of using the graces we receive to help in our daily struggle to over-come our imperfections—there now seems to be a tendency to relying on the imperfections.
 
Overcoming imperfections may mean that others have to patiently endure and even look the other way while we struggle through them, lest we all become mere annoying perfectionists.

Afterall, if “imperfections” (rather than sins serious or simple) are the worst thing we have to worry about, then we’re probably already pretty far along the road to sanctity.
 
Overcoming imperfections may mean that others have to patiently endure and even look the other way while we struggle through them, lest we all become mere annoying perfectionists.
My next thought is - if I could ignore this thread, I could overcome little thing for the thread itself is little thing. 😃 - which I cannot seem to be able to do at this time.😊
 
Overcoming imperfections may mean that others have to patiently endure and even look the other way while we struggle through them, lest we all become mere annoying perfectionists.

Now we are down to “annoying perfectionists”. It is truly sad when striving to overcome our human weaknesses instead of giving in to them is now seen as “annoying” and something to be “patiently endured”. This does give new insight to the current state of the Church and society as a whole.
 

Now we are down to “annoying perfectionists”. It is truly sad when striving to overcome our human weaknesses instead of giving in to them is now seen as “annoying” and something to be “patiently endured”. This does give new insight to the current state of the Church
If we don’t “patiently endure” we’ll just painfully suffer.

“Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.”

… and the greatest of these is charity! In it lies true perfection.
 
If we don’t “patiently endure” we’ll just painfully suffer.

“Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.”

… and the greatest of these is charity! In it lies true perfection.
Easier said than done. If we can have all these graces - we don’t even have little tiny issues to be discussed here.

If we have love, and patience, we pray for people to change, to be better.

If we have love and patience, we listen to others’ opinions without jumping to some conclusion and assumption.

If we have love and patience, we together make this better - and the CAF Forums here are for - discussion with love and patience.
 
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Now we are down to “annoying perfectionists”. It is truly sad when striving to overcome our human weaknesses instead of giving in to them is now seen as “annoying” and something to be “patiently endured”. This does give new insight to the current state of the Church

If we don’t “patiently endure” we’ll just painfully suffer.

“Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.”

… and the greatest of these is charity! In it lies true perfection.

From the various discussions—it has become more clear. Striving to overcome our human weaknesses is somehow now seen as -apparently envious, boastful, arrogant, rude, irritable, resentful, —leading us away from truth and uncharitable.

We seem to have “another gospel” blowing thru the Church.
 
I recently join this particular forum and has discussed quite some time on “little thing”.

Sometimes, to me little thing can be big thing, and big thing can be little thing, and those things between. Obviously, I have a problem in identifying how important a thing is. 😊

So, if someone suggests me not to worry about little things, then what big things are to be discussed here in this forum?

Thanks

PS: it’s Saturday, be gentle with this thread. ! :cool:
 
I have some new theories! :newidea: Perhaps people like to pick little faults in each other so that they can feel better about themselves or maybe some people have just run out of things to type about like me. Maybe the person above was right and has acknowledged that we are really well on our way to sanctity and there are only the little things left to deal with. Maybe there are too many annoying perfectionists (please don’t be offended if you consider yourself to be one of those.) Then again perhaps we are just attempting to make sense of the world by becoming all philosophical. The explanations for nitpickiness are endless. There could be any reason some of which I don’t even know about!

From the various discussions—it has become more clear. Striving to overcome our human weaknesses is somehow now seen as -apparently envious, boastful, arrogant, rude, irritable, resentful, —leading us away from truth and uncharitable.

We seem to have “another gospel” blowing thru the Church.
 
I have some new theories! :newidea: Perhaps people like to pick little faults in each other so that they can feel better about themselves or maybe some people have just run out of things to type about like me. Maybe the person above was right and has acknowledged that we are really well on our way to sanctity and there are only the little things left to deal with. Maybe there are too many annoying perfectionists (please don’t be offended if you consider yourself to be one of those.) Then again perhaps we are just attempting to make sense of the world by becoming all philosophical. The explanations for nitpickiness are endless. There could be any reason some of which I don’t even know about!

As has happened before—some of those who are foremost in bring up how uncharitable some of us seem to be----have apparently no problem in putting on the shoe—that you want to fit us with.
 

As has happened before—some of those who are foremost in bring up how uncharitable some of us seem to be----have apparently no problem in putting on the shoe—that you want to fit us with.
I didn’t name anybody and I wasn’t suggesting that anybody in particular was one of those people. However, if the hat fits, wear it as my mother used to say. For all I know, the poster above mey have been talking about me!
 
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As has happened before—some of those who are foremost in bring up how uncharitable some of us seem to be----have apparently no problem in putting on the shoe—that you want to fit us with.

**I didn’t name anybody and I wasn’t suggesting that anybody in particular was one of those people. **However, if the hat fits, wear it as my mother used to say. For all I know, the poster above mey have been talking about me!

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Maybe there are too many annoying perfectionists (please don’t be offended if **you consider ****yourself **to be one of those.)​

Well Linnyo—you dug your hole deeper—and you jumped into it wearing both shoes.
 
Is it possible to be a charitable, tolerant person, who nevertheless appreciates the significance of many many of the prescribed parts of the Mass, and who therefore feels a small loss when a little bit is set aside, and a greater loss when more is set aside?

Repeating three times before Communion: “Lamb of God…”, rather than some other title, because Christ’s victimhood is at that time His most significant aspect…

Directing the “Our Father” to God first, since our unity comes from Him, rather than grabbing on to our neighbor first, as if our unity leads us to Him…

Seeing the crucified Christ on the wall, rather than a risen Christ, since every Mass is a sacrifice, even (or especially) the Easter Mass…

each of these is significant, and helps us know God better. Of course, it’s possible to be too concerned about them.

But no one should say they’re irrelevant. Whether a priest says “brethren,” or “friends” means nothing or next to nothing, but many other little things mean much much more.

And what’s the purpose of a forum like this, if not to discuss and appreciate these subtle things?

Peace.
John
 
It’s a good question.

My initial response was that our greatest concern should be our own souls, our own sinfulness, and our own salvation. I’ve been reading Imitation of Christ for nearly a year now. Not once has this book mentioned looking out for the sins of others. The entire book is about asking God to make us sinless, perfect, like Christ.

So to me, most of our discussions should be about how to stay close to Jesus and His Church so that we achieve sainthood and heaven. That is the most important reason we are on earth–to become like Christ and be in heaven with Him through all eternity.

But then I remember I Corinthians 13–the greatest of these is love. The Bible says that love covers a multitude of sins. So it seems that LOVE is the “Greatest Thing”–this is straight out of the Bible, not my opinion.

The way I see this, if a person practices great love toward others by giving alms, volunteering to help, visiting the sick and the prisoner, doing kind acts, saying loving words, etc.–then this would be more important or “greater” than the fact that the person sits with an arm draped over a pew or raises their hands during a hymn.

If a person feels compelled to express love by correcting someone’s behavior because they see it as a “big thing,” and their motive is TRULY love for God and the other person, not self-love that demands a quiet, distraction-free sanctuary–then I believe that the person’s great loving heart will achieve a good thing, and the person who is spoken to will not be offended by the corrective words, but rather, will be built up in the Lord and feel more connected with the sister or brother who corrected him/her.

So another important topic of conversation on this forum should be “How can we show love to God and to our fellow human beings, both those of the faith and those who are not Christians?”
 

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Maybe there are too many annoying perfectionists (please don’t be offended if **you consider ****yourself **to be one of those.)​

Well Linnyo—you dug your hole deeper—and you jumped into it wearing both shoes.
I am very sorry, I truly didn’t mean to direct it at you personally. I pressed, as I usually do, the quote button rather than the post reply button. I will endeavor to be more careful about which button I use.
 
A great deal of the things recently discussed here have been presented in terms of a false dichotomy between loving reverence for God within the sacred time and space of the Mass, and love of neighbor. In reality, there is no such distinction. We are well able to, and must, do both. Some recent examples:

Applauding musucians: Anyone who wants to thank a musician for using his or her gift in the Mass can do so face to face, before or after Mass. In fact, it would be downright disingenuine of anyone to maintain that clapping from 300 feet is a more sincere expression of gratitude. At any rate, the point is, one can express their gratitude without creating an environment that many find objectionable, or is disruptive to prayer. We can do both.

Chatting before the Mass as others are praying: Letting your friends know you love them by asking about their medical problems and their kids can be done outside the worship space. Using “love” as a blanket excuse for disturbing the tranquility of those praying in a sacred place is ludicrous. The chatters have just as much obligation to show courtesy to those praying as they do to anyone else. Again, we can do both.

Talking and yucking it up the moment the final song ends: The same thing applies. Take it outside. You can laugh with your friends, and tell 'em you love 'em all you want, all without turning the sacred space where the Mass just ended into a picnic atmosphere. Even those who can’t understand how it is irreverent should be able understand how it is rude behavior when others are praying. The “love” argument is flat out childish.

The one thing all of these, and other topics I’ve not mentioned, have in common is that for some, their focus is far too tilted in favor of “me and my neighbors;” it’s way lopsided in emphasis on fellowship and community. Without Christ who is uniquely present in the Mass and the sacred time a space surrounding it, the communal things, although good, cannot exist.

Is it too much to ask that our focus be consistantly tilted toward Him for that one brief period of time, in that one small physical space, just one day a week? (most weeks for most people) To answer the OP, small things that overemphasize community in that very limited time and space are not truly small. Over time they have the cumulative effect of turning the Heavenly gift of the Mass into little more than a gathering of, for, and by the people; and that is a rather big thing.
 

From the various discussions—it has become more clear. Striving to overcome our human weaknesses is somehow now seen as -apparently envious, boastful, arrogant, rude, irritable, resentful, —leading us away from truth and uncharitable.

We seem to have “another gospel” blowing thru the Church.
Well, if that is how one chooses to see things through their crimson colored glasses.

But, then, we all have weaknesses to overcome and I certainly won’t try to stop anyone from overcoming one’s own, if only each was to look inside for faults first and foremost rather than insisting upon interpreting everyone else’s offense.
 
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