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I want to extend thanks to everyone who took time to post. I really made the original post because I wanted to make sure. I’m completely fine with not living with my future spouse until we are married. I don’t expect anyone to go easy on me. Even though I think I could manage, it would be hard not because of sex but because I couldn’t show that person how much I loved her yet, I wouldn’t get a lot of sleep. I just want to do whats right in the Lord’s eyes, I understand that even today couples live with each other before marriage, some do refrain from having premarital sex, but priest shouldn’t turn a blind eye, they should say the way it is for being a Catholic. But the idea of having a roomie is good. I was even thinking it might be ok if we were to live with my folks because I’m living with them now. But that is still a no because it is still under CoHab right?
If you are not able to support your wife without this kind of situation (living with your parents) then you’d better postpone the wedding until you can be independent. I would never advise my sons to get engaged unless they could support their wife and future children.

I wonder if your motives are really pure. Does she want to move in with you? What is the need for this?
 
It’s the norm now for Catholics to live together before marriage. Most priests actually expect it now. Most priests will just turn a blind eye and marry the couple so that they are no longer living together without the sacrament of marriage.

Most priests now see couples coming to marry as an opportunity to evangelize.
Really?!! Really!!! Oh say it ain’t so!!!

God help us!!!
 
Really?!! Really!!! Oh say it ain’t so!!!

God help us!!!
Problem is that society is feeding the lie to youngsters that living together before marriage guarantees a better marriage. This is a crock of _____.

The chance is higher for divorce if they live together first.
 
It’s the norm now for Catholics to live together before marriage. Most priests actually expect it now. Most priests will just turn a blind eye and marry the couple so that they are no longer living together without the sacrament of marriage.

Most priests now see couples coming to marry as an opportunity to evangelize.
I’m not sure I would say that the priest turns a blind eye to the issue. I’m sure it is quite painful for them to witness people living in sin. Many do this and then march right up for communion. So, if / when the couple finally wants to be married, I’m sure the priest welcomes the opportunity to do so.

As a parent I know first hand the pain of children going astray. My own daughter moved in with “the love of her life”, despite our warnings and urging not to do so. The pain a parent feels in this situation is indescribable, but I imagine priests feel a similar one.

Well, my daughter became pregnant and when she refused to have an abortion, the “love of her life” kicked her out of the apartment without warning - just locked her out on the street in New York City.

Then he fled the country and still tried to talk her into “getting rid” of her baby by abortion or adoption.

So 3 weeks ago, I became a grandfather again, and I’m able to be a temporary father which means I get to be my granddaughter’s first male love. 👍

So to all you out there that think you know your live-in partner. Think again. You are in mortal sin. Every time you go up for communion, you commit another mortal sin. WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
 
I’m not sure I would say that the priest turns a blind eye to the issue. I’m sure it is quite painful for them to witness people living in sin. Many do this and then march right up for communion. So, if / when the couple finally wants to be married, I’m sure the priest welcomes the opportunity to do so.

As a parent I know first hand the pain of children going astray. My own daughter moved in with “the love of her life”, despite our warnings and urging not to do so. The pain a parent feels in this situation is indescribable, but I imagine priests feel a similar one.

Well, my daughter became pregnant and when she refused to have an abortion, the “love of her life” kicked her out of the apartment without warning - just locked her out on the street in New York City.

Then he fled the country and still tried to talk her into “getting rid” of her baby by abortion or adoption.

So 3 weeks ago, I became a grandfather again, and I’m able to be a temporary father which means I get to be my granddaughter’s first male love. 👍

So to all you out there that think you know your live-in partner. Think again. You are in mortal sin. Every time you go up for communion, you commit another mortal sin. WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
You just restated what I was saying. Priests are happy to bring the couple together in the sacrament of marriage.

Many people don’t believe that they are sinning. They don’t get it. Satan has many people fooled.
 
I’m not sure I would say that the priest turns a blind eye to the issue. I’m sure it is quite painful for them to witness people living in sin. Many do this and then march right up for communion. So, if / when the couple finally wants to be married, I’m sure the priest welcomes the opportunity to do so.

As a parent I know first hand the pain of children going astray. My own daughter moved in with “the love of her life”, despite our warnings and urging not to do so. The pain a parent feels in this situation is indescribable, but I imagine priests feel a similar one.

Well, my daughter became pregnant and when she refused to have an abortion, the “love of her life” kicked her out of the apartment without warning - just locked her out on the street in New York City.

Then he fled the country and still tried to talk her into “getting rid” of her baby by abortion or adoption.

So 3 weeks ago, I became a grandfather again, and I’m able to be a temporary father which means I get to be my granddaughter’s first male love. 👍

So to all you out there that think you know your live-in partner. Think again. You are in mortal sin. Every time you go up for communion, you commit another mortal sin. WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
btw…congrats on your GD. That is so sweet. She’s a lucky baby 👍
 
It’s the norm now for Catholics to live together before marriage. Most priests actually expect it now. Most priests will just turn a blind eye and marry the couple so that they are no longer living together without the sacrament of marriage.

Most priests now see couples coming to marry as an opportunity to evangelize.
This is true. We lived together before marriage (2005) and when I told the priest who was doing our marriage prep he didn’t bat an eyelash.

(Btw, I did not want to live together but caved in because DH (also a cradle Catholic) said he’d never marry anyone he hadn’t lived with first and I really wanted to marry him and was afraid not to do what he wanted. Foolish, I know.)
 
This is true. We lived together before marriage (2005) and when I told the priest who was doing our marriage prep he didn’t bat an eyelash.

(Btw, I did not want to live together but caved in because DH (also a cradle Catholic) said he’d never marry anyone he hadn’t lived with first and I really wanted to marry him and was afraid not to do what he wanted. Foolish, I know.)
I was in the same boat as you. Love is blinding. We don’t want to lose the other person, so we compromise our own beliefs.
 
I was lucky in that my folks are very easy to live with. I did a few things to DH’s apartment to give it kind of an upgrade before we got married (new shower curtain, some stuff for the kitchen, etc). But it did feel a little strange when I started bringing over some of my things a few weeks before the wedding. I highly recommend waiting if one can. It was such a powerful feeling to come back from our honeymoon and say, “hey this place is ours now,” instead of it just being another night at home.
 
If you are not able to support your wife without this kind of situation (living with your parents) then you’d better postpone the wedding until you can be independent. I would never advise my sons to get engaged unless they could support their wife and future children.

I wonder if your motives are really pure. Does she want to move in with you? What is the need for this?
That was one of the first things I thought about. I am not with anybody at the moment, this was one of those future reference things. I told myself that if I can’t provide fro anyone than I’m not in a position to get married. I also told my parents this, that I want to have some things already in order, namely at least a career which is happening as we speak. The point of me starting the thread was to make sure the in’s and out’s. I want to do the Catholic thing and I’m perfectly fine even as a guy to not cohabitate because I want the greatest chance of our marriage to succeed. Plus I don’t want to be a hypocrite especially to the youths that I work with in youth ministry.
 
Problem is that society is feeding the lie to youngsters that living together before marriage guarantees a better marriage. This is a crock of _____.

The chance is higher for divorce if they live together first.
I completely agree!!!
 
That was one of the first things I thought about. I am not with anybody at the moment, this was one of those future reference things. I told myself that if I can’t provide fro anyone than I’m not in a position to get married. I also told my parents this, that I want to have some things already in order, namely at least a career which is happening as we speak. The point of me starting the thread was to make sure the in’s and out’s. I want to do the Catholic thing and I’m perfectly fine even as a guy to not cohabitate because I want the greatest chance of our marriage to succeed. Plus I don’t want to be a hypocrite especially to the youths that I work with in youth ministry.
I had to go back and re-read your OP. I was thinking that the situation you posed was real. I hope you got a definitive answer - NO COHABITATING!

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What on earth makes you think you could get a dispensation to co-habit with a man outside of marriage? No faithful priest would even consider such a thing! Any priest who would give one would be guilty of grave sin.
Forgive me for this necromancy, but since this is pretty similar to an issue I was wondering about and when I see people saying things like thing, and then not even backing them up with some authoritative quote that there is NO possible situation in which cohabitation would be acceptable, even a chaste one, it really makes me angry.

My mother died when I was 18, about ten years ago. I am the oldest of five kids, and my youngest brother and sister were eight and five, respectively. She died of an overdose of sleeping medication, probably exacerbated by the amount of medication she was taking for chronic pain.

My dad is a very good and pious man, but he is not a disciplinarian and in many ways he let my two youngest siblings get away with a lot that he should not have in terms of behavior. But particularly, whenever he tried to form a relationship in order to not have to spend the remainder of his days alone, they would sabotage him whenever things became serious (and I mean in an entirely chaste way)*8 and in the end he broke things off and let them control his life. I have another sister who was 14 at the time of Mom’s death who probably contributed to this as well, but mostly it was the two youngest.

A few years ago, he became friends with a woman, I’ll call her S. who was seeking an annulment after many years of domestic abuse. They did not “go out” until the annulment was granted. Then, about a year or so ago, S. lost her job as the secretary for the local high school’s special ed. department because of budget cuts and was faced with the prospect of a mortgage to pay with no income, in addition two her two high-school age children and an older daughter who has had trouble with drugs and alcohol in the past, as well as psychological problems, and was not able to live on her own.

They decided to get married in a court right away (indeed, they probably would have married awhile ago if not for my brother and sister) so S. would be able to continue to have health care, particularly for her daughter, and planned to get get married this past Fall in the Church.

S. rented out her house and yes, she lived at my family’s house. She and my dad are both in their early 50’s. I could not say that they had no interest in sex or no enticement to lust, but I think it was considerably less that it would be for a young couple. In any case, they were not intimate, though they did sleep in the same bed. I suppose my dad could have slept on the couch, but he has to sleep with a sleep apnea machine that makes this difficult - though in fact, I doubt it ever occurred to him that it would be wrong to do so since they were not intimate. They are not cohabiting any more though, but this is because, while both youngest siblings treated S. like garbage after they became engaged and my youngest brother actually threatened her. The wedding was eventually postponed because of this, as well as my youngest sister, who has been coddled to the extent that she views all my dad’s time and attention as her own. She is living in an apartment now, which I believe my dad is paying for until my youngest brother goes to college or moves out.

I did not make a separate post on this matter because I realize I could not ask a question like “Is this sinful?” knowing full well I don’t believe it to be a sin, and that would just be baiting. But I am just so absolutely sick of the mentality of so many people on this forum that even the appearance of a sin, and in some cases not even the appearance but a resemblance to an appearance of a sin is the same as the sin itself. Condemning moral relativism is not the same this as holding that all moral situations are black and white.
 
I’m not sure I would say that the priest turns a blind eye to the issue. I’m sure it is quite painful for them to witness people living in sin. Many do this and then march right up for communion. So, if / when the couple finally wants to be married, I’m sure the priest welcomes the opportunity to do so.

As a parent I know first hand the pain of children going astray. My own daughter moved in with “the love of her life”, despite our warnings and urging not to do so. The pain a parent feels in this situation is indescribable, but I imagine priests feel a similar one.

Well, my daughter became pregnant and when she refused to have an abortion, the “love of her life” kicked her out of the apartment without warning - just locked her out on the street in New York City.

Then he fled the country and still tried to talk her into “getting rid” of her baby by abortion or adoption.

So 3 weeks ago, I became a grandfather again, and I’m able to be a temporary father which means I get to be my granddaughter’s first male love. 👍

So to all you out there that think you know your live-in partner. Think again. You are in mortal sin. Every time you go up for communion, you commit another mortal sin. WHAT ARE YOU DOING???
Thanks for being brave enough to say this! I have Catholic friends and when they proudly tell me that their daughter is living with some guy the only thing I can do is gently ask if they will be getting married. Sadly, living together is the “new normal” and no longer considered a sin even by some Catholics.
 
What on earth makes you think you could get a dispensation to co-habit with a man outside of marriage? No faithful priest would even consider such a thing! Any priest who would give one would be guilty of grave sin.
These replies about no priest in their right mind would allow a couple to co-habitate outside of marriage really bother me.

I belong to a very orthodox parish…with a conservative priest.

He listened to my husband and I and our concerns about coming into the Church and knew our situation.

We had be co-habitating before marriage. Why? Because we HAD NO IDEA IT WAS WRONG!!!

My parents not only encouraged us but helped us move.

Then I became pregnant 2 years later…and we had gotten engaged and wanted to start RCIA together.

Both the priest who married us and the priest we talked to about RCIA at the parish we wanted to join were understanding that we weren’t going to move away from each other. My husband (then fiancé) was supporting us both and was not going to allow me to move away from him.
This was unrealistic anyway…as my only option would have been to find an apartment of my own or live in a hotel room for the next 6 months. We were planning on having the baby before our wedding anyway.

Our priests were understanding and allowed us to carry on with marriage prep and RCIA. Circumstances can be extreme at times. I don’t condone co-habitation…I know it’s wrong. I wish I had known better…but I can’t turn back time.

But posters should not spread lies about what they think priests will do or say…in all situations.

I’m also irked by the suggestions that my marriage is doomed to fail because we lived together before we got married.

That is BS. My husband and I have come into communion with the Church and have been resolved of our past sins. We got married and have put God first in our marriage.

DO NOT tell me I’m likely to get a divorce simply because I was a sinner in my past. God forgives…doesn’t he?

:mad:

These threads drive me nuts sometimes. Lumping all couples who co-habitated at one point in their past…who have sought forgiveness from our Lord and were granted forgiveness…does not mean we still have a higher chance of divorce.

If that were the case…tell me…what is the point of coming into the Church? If a priest told us that he wouldn’t listen to our situation until we separated our living conditions…I can promise you…we would have said “thanks, but no thanks…we will find another Church to get married in.”
My husband waited years to start RCIA…a situation like that would have set him back further from ever wanting to join the Church.
 
Hey Folk’s,

I have a question on living with your significant other. My question is that if I went to a priest and said that even though we are living together we are remaining chaste until marriage. would that still be wrong. It’s not like it’s happening now to me I’m just asking for future reference. Like would I literally have to go to confession and say that we are sleeping in the same bed but not having sex?
Confess the sin as it is. If you truly are not sleeping in the same bed and not having sex, don’t say you are, but do mention your living situation.

Keep in mind that not disclosing something like this in Confession could invalidate your Confession.

And you also will want to ask about receiving Communion.

Personally, I couldn’t really do it knowing I was living with someone like with no foreseeable change in the future.

I cannot recommend co-habitation to anyone who is not married. The research on failed relationships is strikingly clear and it can lead to scandal.
 
Confess the sin as it is. If you truly are not sleeping in the same bed and not having sex, don’t say you are, but do mention your living situation.

Keep in mind that not disclosing something like this in Confession could invalidate your Confession.

And you also will want to ask about receiving Communion.

Personally, I couldn’t really do it knowing I was living with someone like with no foreseeable change in the future.

I cannot recommend co-habitation to anyone who is not married. The research on failed relationships is strikingly clear and it can lead to scandal.
Just to point out - this was posted almost two years ago. I actually sort of regret bringing this one back - even though it bothered me, there was no meaning to bring back a long-dead thread.-
 
I had friends who did this (moved in together, but said they weren’t having sex), and NOBODY (not even me) believed that they really waited for their wedding night. The message everyone around them got was, “Everyone’s having sex outside of marriage, even the Catholics.”

And the excuse they gave was stupid – “we can’t afford to live separately.” Seriously??? They both have family in within a few miles of their home, and they couldn’t live in the spare room, share a bedroom with younger siblings, live with their married cousins, sleep on the couch – just for a few months to a year!

Choose chastity firmly and support yourself and your beloved in this choice. It’s the best preparation for marriage you can make!

Gertie
My fiance and I went to pre-cana this past weeked. We were the only couple of the eleven who weren’t living together.
 
Just to point out - this was posted almost two years ago. I actually sort of regret bringing this one back - even though it bothered me, there was no meaning to bring back a long-dead thread.-
That is why the moderators tell us NOT to do what you just did - because the responses to the OP start all over again even though the thread has been long dead.

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That is why the moderators tell us NOT to do what you just did - because the responses to the OP start all over again even though the thread has been long dead.

😦
This is correct, I am sorry, and it was a moment of bad judgment on my part. The thread should probably just be closed.
 
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