London?

[r.gonzales]

JP2Admirer:

Maybe even ask yourself, “why do these Muslims behave the way they do?” Why do they do it in the name of Islam? If it’s not Islam, why do they claim it is? What about your religion would make them think they were doing God’s will by blowing themselves up and killing others in the process?

i have asked myself this and i’ve come up with the same reason why people follow other religions and falsehoods. some people are just people of desires and do not want to accept the truth. some people are impatient with the methods legislated by Allah for bringing about change and wish to change things themselves by means not condoned by islam - such as speaking openly about the rulers, protests, revolts and rebellions.

JP2Admirer:

it comes from interpreting the Koran.

who’s denying it? of course they get their ideologies from interpreting the Quran… but who’s interpretation are they going by and using? the answer is that they’re interpreting it according to their desires and whatever other doubts their hearts contain instead of referring to the erudite scholars of the religion to see if their understanding is correct.

JP2Admirer:

Why do people dance in the streets and sing praise to Allah when 3,000 innocent people are murdered?

perhaps your answer lies in studying islam from its proper sources, comparing what you learn to the state of the muslims today, and realising just how far away they are from their religion.

 

[Proud_Kafir]

Great Britain is hit by the worst attack since Hitler.
July 7, 2005, that killed at least 40 people and injured 700. Among them, at least 45 are in serious or critical condition, including amputations, fractures and burns. These are only preliminary numbers.

A Breif summary of what muslim terrorists done in last 1 week.

-5 Muslim Terrorists went on to blow up a temple in India,

• Muslim terrorists make assasination attempts on 2 Kashmir Ministers, More than 10 people killed, Many injured
• Thousands of Buddhists Flee Southern Thailand because of Muslim insurgency which killed nearly 500 people from Jan,2005, Buddhist teachers beheaded
• Suicide attacks in Iraq, many people were killed, Egyptian envoy to Iraq was killed
• Yesterday London Attack, more than 40 people killed, 700 injured

I am sick and tired of Condmning Islamic Terrorists. Now, Time has to condemn roots of the all Terror Attacks.

I Condemn Islam (World would be better place without this fascist ideology).
I Condemn Mohammed (World would be better place if this evil man was not born)
I condemn Quran (World would be better place if this racist book was not written)

These are our main enemy target. Muslim Terrorists are not. We shouldn’t strike the symptoms, We should strike the roots. Islam, Mohammed, Quran are the roots.

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone.”

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an 3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Allah Punishes Muslims who don’t fight.

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

Sahih Muslim:C9B1N31 Allah’s Messenger told “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”

This is real Islam !

 

[But_for_Grace]

Kafir - Enough already

It is one thing to discuss and even argue over religion. It is even expected. But to continually spat in their faces is neither appropriate nor Christian. Not a single muslim on this forum was involved in any manner which we know of, so lay off. You will not convince them of anything if you continue to act in this fashion.

I do not agree with everything that the muslims who come here say, I do not agree with everything that I have read in the Qu’ran, I do not agree with alot of things, but that is not the point. If you continue to act and speak hatefully towards muslims, then I suggest you examine the fruit which you are bearing, for the apple does not fall far from the tree.

 

[r.gonzales]

But for Grace:

It is one thing to discuss and even argue over religion. It is even expected. But to continually spat in their faces is neither appropriate nor Christian. Not a single muslim on this forum was involved in any manner which we know of, so lay off. You will not convince them of anything if you continue to act in this fashion.

I do not agree with everything that the muslims who come here say, I do not agree with everything that I have read in the Qu’ran, I do not agree with alot of things, but that is not the point. If you continue to act and speak hatefully towards muslims, then I suggest you examine the fruit which you are bearing, for the apple does not fall far from the tree.

thank you. well put.

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

let’s get something straight here. i didn’t embrace islam because i found it to be overly attractive or something that i thought would be ultra cool if i entered it. i don’t love this religion for any other reason that it is the truth and the religion that God has chosen for mankind. seeking for the truth and longing to be upon it is something that i continually strive for all the time - and it is the reason why i pray to God that He keeps the love of beneficial knowledge embedded in my heart until the day i die.

Mr. Gonzales, you don’t really know that Islam is the religion that God chose for mankind, you only think so because Mohammed said so in the Qur’an! To a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ, and not in Mohammed or the Qur’an, it is nothing of the kind!

 

[r.gonzales]

Proud Kafir:

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone.”

the word submit does not appear in this verse at all. what the verse actually says in english is, “and fight them until no dissension exists and the all of the religion is for Allah.”

the word fitnah means trial, tribulation, discord, dissension. in this verse it doesn’t refer to non-muslims, it refers to shirk, which is association of partners with Allah.

rather than just quoting verses without understanding them, perhaps you should read the various tafseers for this verse. in his explanation of this verse, ibn katheer mentions a report brought by al-imam al-bukhaaree from abdullah bin umar (son of the second caliph, umar bin al-khattaab and companion of prophet muhammad) where a man came to him and said, “o abaa abdar-rahmaan (ibn umar’s nickname), have you not heard what Allah mentioned in His book, and if two groups from the believers fought… (49:9)? so what prevents you from fighting like Allah mentioned in His book?” so (ibn umar) said, “o son of my brother, [that] i am condemned with this verse while i do not fight is more preferred to me than i be condemned by the verse that Allah says, and whoever kills a believer intentionally (to the end of the verse) (4:93).” [the man] said, “then surely, Allah, exalted is He, says, and fight them until no dissension exists?” ibn umar said, “we have done that during the lifetime of the prophet (s) when islam was scarce and the man used to be tormented for his religion - either they killed him, they would fetter him - until islam grew and dissension did not exist.”

from this we narration, we see many things. the first of which is the context of the verse you quote and how the prophet’s companions understood it. fitnah here, according to the tafseers is shirk (association of partners with Allah). “fighting until there is no more fitnah” is understood to mean, “fight until the believer is no longer tormented on account his religion.” this verse is not an unrestricted allowance for people to wantonly go around killing disbelievers just for the heck of it. so if those who committed those attacks on london were muslims and they tried using this verse as justification, then have erred and have caused harm to many innocent people - including their fellow muslims. harm that they will be held accountable for on the day of judgement when they stand before Allah to be judged.

another thing we see from this narration is how some ignorant people who have no knowledge of islam will come around misquoting verses and using them to prove things that they don’t. this narration occured during the time when two groups from the muslims were fighting each other (i.e., the battle of the camel). the man in this narration that came to ibn umar used a verse that says, “and if two groups from the believers fought, then reconcile between them” to prove to ibn umar that it is permissible for him to fight in the battle and that he should be fighting.

there is also another narration from ibn umar from during the time of the conflict of abdullah bin az-zubair where two men came to him saying, “surely the people have done what you saw and you are the son of umar bin al-khattaab and a companion of Allah’s messenger (s). so what prevents you from rebelling?” [ibn umar] said, “what prevents me is that Allah has made forbidden for me the blood of my brother muslim.” they said, “did not Allah say, and fight them until no dissension exists and all of the religion is for Allah?” [ibn umar] said, “we fought until no dissension existed and all of the religion was for Allah, while you fought until dissension existed and the religion was for other than Allah.”

so again, this demonstrates how the verse is to be understood, which is not according to the manner you portray it in.

more to come…

 

[r.gonzales]

Proud Kafir:

Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

man, where the heck do you get your translations from? this verse doesn’t even mention slaughter at all. the words translated here as “vanquish” and “slaughter” are the exact same word in the verse, “yaghliboo” which means “they overwhelm” or “they overcome”.

this verse and the one that follows it say, “o prophet, spur on the believers to fight. if there exists twenty people with patient resolve among you they will overcome two hundred and if there exists a hundred among you they will overcome a thousand from those who disbelieve because they are a people who do not understand. now, Allah unburdened you and He knew that you have a weakness. so if a hundred people with patient resolve exists among you they will overcome two hundred and if a thousand exist from you, they will overcome two thousand with Allah’s permission. and Allah is with the patient ones.”

this whole chapter deals with war situations. and these verses are no different. in his explanation of these verses, al-imam as-sa’dee says,

these verses, their form is the form of information about the believers, that if they reach this specific amount they will overwhelm that specific amount in its encounter from the disbelievers and that Allah strengthens them by what He placed in them of faithful courage. however, its meaning and its reality is a command and that Allah commanded the believers - in the beginning of the command - that it is not permissible for one to flee from ten and ten from a hundred and a hundred from a thousand. then, indeed Allah lightened that and it became impermissible for the muslims to flee from the likes of twice their number. so if they increased beyond the two of their likes, then fleeing is permissible for them. however, it returns to two matters:

the first of them: that they are in the form of the report and the basis in the report is that is be upon its matterand that the intent of that is the strengthening and the information about the occurance.

the second is the restriction of that number that they be people with patient resolve and that the be those who are trained upon patience.

and it is understood that if they are not those of patient resolve, then fleeing is permissible for them even if [from] fewer than twice their number.

so it’s clear that these verses are informing the reader that if they reach the numbers mentioned in the verses and are of those with patient resolve, that Allah will strengthen them enough to take on the numbers mentioned in the verses.

so fighting here is according to one’s ability and strength. and this verse is not to be taken as an all out encouragement to fight, regardless of the time and situation.

more to come…

 

[r.gonzales]

Booklover:

Mr. Gonzales, you don’t really know that Islam is the religion that God chose for mankind, you only think so because Mohammed said so in the Qur’an! To a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ, and not in Mohammed or the Qur’an, it is nothing of the kind!

no ms. booklover :nope:, i know it is the truth and that it is the religion that God has chosen for mankind :yup: . not because prophet muhammad told us, but because Allah (the One whose words are in the Quran) said, “today I have perfected your religion for you and I completed My blessing upon you and have chosen al-islam as a religion for you.” (5:3)

now, whether those of you who disbelieve choose to acknowledge and accept that or not, that’s up to you. :tiphat:

ps. still more to come regarding kafir’s post… so stay tuned .

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

no ms. booklover :nope:, i know it is the truth and that it is the religion that God has chosen for mankind :yup: . not because prophet muhammad told us, but because Allah (the One whose words are in the Quran) said, “today I have perfected your religion for you and I completed My blessing upon you and have chosen al-islam as a religion for you.” (5:3)

What else would Mohammed say!

now, whether those of you who disbelieve choose to acknowledge and accept that or not, that’s up to you. :tiphat:

ps. still more to come regarding kafir’s post… so stay tuned .

I beg to differ! I also hope that you do not think that Islam should be imposed on those who don’t choose it.

As far as I am concerned, the Qur’an is not the word of God, it’s just Mohammed’s CLAIMS that it’s the word of God, and that’s the difference! Since I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the beginning and the end, I cannot accept Mohammed’s words.

By the way, what Mohammed did in 23 years, Jesus did in 3!

 

[Catherine_S]

r.gonzales:

al-imam maalik bin anas, one of the early scholars of islam once said, “the last of this [muslim] nation will not be rectified except by that which rectified its beginning.”

islam’s texts have been preserved, the Quran and the sunnah. both have their explanations and interpretations that have been explained by the scholars of islam who were upon the correct understanding. these explanations are still available for people to refer to if they wish.

if you want to know which interpretation is correct, you go back to the time when the people who were upon the correct understanding were many, and the people of deviation were few - that means you have to go back to the beginning. you look to the statements of prophet muhammad’s companions and their students, and the students of their students. the first three generations of islam were the purest in terms of correct understanding. they have left nothing for the generations to follow in terms of understanding the texts according to the way they were intended to be understood.

anyone who comes with a statement, an interpretation or an understanding, for which he has no precedent, then that in and of itself is a clear indication that what he brings is wrong.

so that is your litmus test. that is the way you can tell who’s right and who’s wrong.

this is not true at all. the authority on how to interpret the Quran are prophet muhammad and his companions. and their statements are recorded, along with the statements of their students. they’re found in the books of classical tafseer, like tafseer at-tabaree, tafseer ibn katheer and others.

"And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then ask those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee." Sura Yunus 10:95

 

[r.gonzales]

Booklover:

I beg to differ! I also hope that you do not think that Islam should be imposed on those who don’t choose it.

Allah says, “there is no compulsion in the religion, the guidance has been made distinct from the wrong. so whoever disbelieves in the false gods and believes in Allah and the last day, hen he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold of which there is no breaking. and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.” (2:256) so if you choose to remain upon your disbelief, that’s up to you. it’s only my job to convey.

Booklover:

As far as I am concerned, the Qur’an is not the word of God, it’s just Mohammed’s CLAIMS that it’s the word of God, and that’s the difference! Since I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the beginning and the end, I cannot accept Mohammed’s words.

well, that’s just too bad for you now, isn’t it?

Booklover:

By the way, what Mohammed did in 23 years, Jesus did in 3!

your point? btw, we believe that jesus was given his prophethood from childbirth. so he was a prophet for a lot longer than 3 years.

“And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which we reveal unto thee, then ask those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee.” Sura Yunus 10:95

perhaps you didn’t see this: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=781369&postcount=48

if you’re going to quote from the Quran, at least get the reference right…

 

[A.Pelliccio]

London’s Burning Allah Ackbar!

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

Allah says, “there is no compulsion in the religion, the guidance has been made distinct from the wrong. so whoever disbelieves in the false gods and believes in Allah and the last day, hen he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold of which there is no breaking. and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.” (2:256) so if you choose to remain upon your disbelief, that’s up to you. it’s only my job to convey.

well, that’s just too bad for you now, isn’t it?

So I suppose you think I’m damned! It doesn’t matter to me in the slightest. I don’t believe in a manmade religion and that’s what Islam is. It’s not God’s words, it’s Mohammed claiming them to be God’s words, and that’s the big difference.

You strike me as an intelligent person. Hasn’t it occurred to you that so called “private revelations” could also be fraudulent? that a person could invent things, claim they were divinely inspired, in order to get his own way. A case of “revelations for all occasions”. That sort of thing? Well, that’s exactly what I think your prophet did! I don’t believe for one minute that anything he said was divinely inspired!

your point? btw, we believe that jesus was given his prophethood from childbirth. so he was a prophet for a lot longer than 3 years.

Jesus did not start his public life until he was thirty, so all that he came to accomplish he did in 3 years. That’s what I meant.

 

[Kathy_McAvinue]

r.gonzales:

no ms. booklover :nope:, i know it is the truth and that it is the religion that God has chosen for mankind :yup: . not because prophet muhammad told us, but because Allah (the One whose words are in the Quran) said, “today I have perfected your religion for you and I completed My blessing upon you and have chosen al-islam as a religion for you.” (5:3)

now, whether those of you who disbelieve choose to acknowledge and accept that or not, that’s up to you. :tiphat:

ps. still more to come regarding kafir’s post… so stay tuned .

rgonzales I will pray that you will come back to the Faith of your birth. I really scares me when a cradle Catholic has such little learning of their faith that they can turn their backs on The Way, The Truth, and The Life. Following some false prophet because it is easier, is eternally deadly. I do pray and will continue to do so.

 

[Kathy_McAvinue]

Kafir - Enough already

It is one thing to discuss and even argue over religion. It is even expected. But to continually spat in their faces is neither appropriate nor Christian. Not a single muslim on this forum was involved in any manner which we know of, so lay off. You will not convince them of anything if you continue to act in this fashion.

I do not agree with everything that the muslims who come here say, I do not agree with everything that I have read in the Qu’ran, I do not agree with alot of things, but that is not the point. If you continue to act and speak hatefully towards muslims, then I suggest you examine the fruit which you are bearing, for the apple does not fall far from the tree.

Hey but for grace have you ever heard of the Church Militant. If it were up to this generation to protect the world from Islam the World would all be the hell hole that is the Middle East.
I think that people should learn Church history. True history not that which is given to us by the secularist who have their own agenda.
The history of the world is the history of the Catholic Church. Both pre-messianic and post-messianic. If we believe that the Church is the bride of Christ should we not be willing to lay down our lives for it.
Give up the political correctness, that will only get us all enslaved.

 

[Booklover]

Kathy McAvinue:

Hey but for grace have you ever heard of the Church Militant. If it were up to this generation to protect the world from Islam the World would all be the hell hole that is the Middle East.
I think that people should learn Church history. True history not that which is given to us by the secularist who have their own agenda.
The history of the world is the history of the Catholic Church. Both pre-messianic and post-messianic. If we believe that the Church is the bride of Christ should we not be willing to lay down our lives for it.
Give up the political correctness, that will only get us all enslaved.

Great post, Kathy! I’m sick of political correctness too. We have to defend what we believe in!:clapping:

 

[r.gonzales]

Booklover:

So I suppose you think I’m damned!

actually, no i don’t. i reserve that judgement for Allah. i do believe, however, that you are misguided and that if you die upon that misguidane, you will be from the people of the fire - that is, if you don’t have an excuse before your Lord Allah.

Booklover:

It doesn’t matter to me in the slightest. I don’t believe in a manmade religion and that’s what Islam is. It’s not God’s words, it’s Mohammed claiming them to be God’s words, and that’s the big difference.

you claim that islam is a manmade religion, while your particular sect of christinity had its tenets solidified and agreed upon by some council of men a thousand plus years ago in nicea… not to mention the numerous revisions and changes your faith has gone through to “free” itself from the carnage and slaughter that occured at its hands in the past… yeah… real divine there .

Booklover:

You strike me as an intelligent person. Hasn’t it occurred to you that so called “private revelations” could also be fraudulent? that a person could invent things, claim they were divinely inspired, in order to get his own way. A case of “revelations for all occasions”. That sort of thing? Well, that’s exactly what I think your prophet did! I don’t believe for one minute that anything he said was divinely inspired!

sure, it’s occured to me. however, the Quran itself is a testimony to its divine source. and since i can read the Quran in the original language it was revealed in, i can see this even more so than those who can’t.

Allah says, “do they not ponder upon the Quran. while if it were from other than Allah, certainly they would have found in it many contradictions.” (4:82)

and He says, “and if you are in doubt about what We revealed upon Our slave, then come with a chapter of its like and call your witnesses from other than Allah if you are truthful. for if you do not do it and you will not do it, then fear a fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.” (2:23)

fyi, the shortest chapter of the Quran is a mere 3 verses long, and to this day no one has been able to bring forth chapter of its like.

now, let’s ask you… have you ever occured to you that the testimony of those who weren’t even the ones who receieved the revelation, especially when there are differences in their accounts, could be wrong and not divinely inspired at all?

Booklover:

Jesus did not start his public life until he was thirty, so all that he came to accomplish he did in 3 years. That’s what I meant.

according to our beliefs, he began his prophethood in the cradle and spoke while an infant.
Kathy McAvinue:

rgonzales I will pray that you will come back to the Faith of your birth. I really scares me when a cradle Catholic has such little learning of their faith that they can turn their backs on The Way, The Truth, and The Life. Following some false prophet because it is easier, is eternally deadly. I do pray and will continue to do so.

i pray Allah guides you to the truth sent down to His last prophet and messenger, the seal of the prophets and His intimate friend, muhammad, son of 'abdullah of arabia.

as for what you say about islam being easier… how did you come to that conclusion??? we have to perform obligatory ritual prayers 5 times day, we have to fast one 29-30 month a year, we have to obtain from usery, pork, alcohol, unlawul women, we have to cover our bodies appropriately according to islamic law, we have prescibed punishments for various crimes that must be handed out by the islamic government if found guilty (cutting off of the hand, lashes, stoning, etc.) and you call islam easy? do you think your religion is that much more difficult to follow??? where anyone who believes in jesus christ as his saviour is saved from the fire??? how comforting to know that you’re destined for heaven just by accepting a man and prophet as your deity. nice…

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

Great post, Kathy! I’m sick of political correctness too. We have to defend what we believe in!:clapping:

I wonder how Jesus would behave in situations like this. I think he would defend his faith while not generalizing and pointing fingers at people. While not being mean and rude and hurtful.

are you following the Church or are you following Jesus?

May God’s peace be upon him.

 

[Kathy_McAvinue]

r.gonzales:

actually, no i don’t. i reserve that judgement for Allah. i do believe, however, that you are misguided and that if you die upon that misguidane, you will be from the people of the fire - that is, if you don’t have an excuse before your Lord Allah.

you claim that islam is a manmade religion, while your particular sect of christinity had its tenets solidified and agreed upon by some council of men a thousand plus years ago in nicea… not to mention the numerous revisions and changes your faith has gone through to “free” itself from the carnage and slaughter that occured at its hands in the past… yeah… real divine there .

sure, it’s occured to me. however, the Quran itself is a testimony to its divine source. and since i can read the Quran in the original language it was revealed in, i can see this even more so than those who can’t.

Allah says, “do they not ponder upon the Quran. while if it were from other than Allah, certainly they would have found in it many contradictions.” (4:82)

and He says, “and if you are in doubt about what We revealed upon Our slave, then come with a chapter of its like and call your witnesses from other than Allah if you are truthful. for if you do not do it and you will not do it, then fear a fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.” (2:23)

fyi, the shortest chapter of the Quran is a mere 3 verses long, and to this day no one has been able to bring forth chapter of its like.

now, let’s ask you… have you ever occured to you that the testimony of those who weren’t even the ones who receieved the revelation, especially when there are differences in their accounts, could be wrong and not divinely inspired at all?

according to our beliefs, he began his prophethood in the cradle and spoke while an infant.

i pray Allah guides you to the truth sent down to His last prophet and messenger, the seal of the prophets and His intimate friend, muhammad, son of 'abdullah of arabia.

as for what you say about islam being easier… how did you come to that conclusion??? we have to perform obligatory ritual prayers 5 times day, we have to fast one 29-30 month a year, we have to obtain from usery, pork, alcohol, unlawul women, we have to cover our bodies appropriately according to islamic law, we have prescibed punishments for various crimes that must be handed out by the islamic government if found guilty (cutting off of the hand, lashes, stoning, etc.) and you call islam easy? do you think your religion is that much more difficult to follow??? where anyone who believes in jesus christ as his saviour is saved from the fire??? how comforting to know that you’re destined for heaven just by accepting a man and prophet as your deity. nice…

I pray all day. I offer all of my lives work to the Living God. I fast weekly as is prscribe by my faith. Cleaniness on the outside doesn’t create holiness on the inside. Governements our not God. Islam is easy. It is easier to say a tooth for a tooth, or cut off hands or stone people than it is to forgive people and to love those who hate you. Violence for violence sake is from the Evil one. To follow Jesus the Christ is to pick up your cross and carry it daily. I am not the one said that Jesus is the Christ he is. I know that my salavation can be lost if I am not faithful to my God.
How peaceful it is for you to know that all you have to do to go to heaven and recieve your 72 virgins is to kill me. See I said it is easier to be a muslim.
I must and do forgive you your errors and I pray for your conversion and that of all the other lost souls in this World.

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

you claim that islam is a manmade religion, while your particular sect of christinity had its tenets solidified and agreed upon by some council of men a thousand plus years ago in nicea… not to mention the numerous revisions and changes your faith has gone through to “free” itself from the carnage and slaughter that occured at its hands in the past… yeah… real divine there

Has Islam not committed countless atrocities? Isn’t that what just happened in London? Get real! Islam is the most violent religion this world has ever seen!

sure, it’s occured to me. however, the Quran itself is a testimony to its divine source. and since i can read the Quran in the original language it was revealed in, i can see this even more so than those who can’t.

To Christians the word became flesh, while to Muslims it became a book!