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Hello,

I hear people describe the Mass as boring, not relevant, uninspiring…that many get nothing out of it and go out of obligation if at all. I’ve also heard many talk about the Church in less than glowing terms. So I have two questions:
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.

My reasoning is that a love of Jesus without love for the Mass/Eucharist or the teachings of the Church equals a Protestant. A love of Jesus and the Mass/Eucharist without a love of the teachings of the Church leads to “cafeteria Catholics” that doubt certain aspects of what the Church teaches. But a Catholic that loves Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and all teachings of the Church produces a passionate Catholic that can spread like wild fire.

That’s at least my theory. Feel free to answer my questions, respond to my above theory, or provide any ideas you may have. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and (name removed by moderator)ut!

-Ernie-
 
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
Does not apply to me.
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.
My reasoning is that a love of Jesus without love for the Mass/Eucharist or the teachings of the Church equals a Protestant. A love of Jesus and the Mass/Eucharist without a love of the teachings of the Church leads to “cafeteria Catholics” that doubt certain aspects of what the Church teaches. But a Catholic that loves Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and all teachings of the Church produces a passionate Catholic that can spread like wild fire.
That’s at least my theory.
You are on the right track here. I think we have to be careful in not putting forth the protestant notion of a ‘personal relationship with Jesus’. Without the Church then it becomes a search for a personal Jesus. A true personal relationship with Jesus must include the Church that He founded, the Catholic Church and the Sacraments He instituted for us (I will be with you always) and His teachings (Doctrine…If you love me you will obey my commandments).

St. Joan of Arc…
About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they’re just one thing, and we shouldn’t complicate the matter.
 
You are on the right track here. I think we have to be careful in not putting forth the protestant notion of a ‘personal relationship with Jesus’. Without the Church then it becomes a search for a personal Jesus. A true personal relationship with Jesus must include the Church that He founded, the Catholic Church and the Sacraments He instituted for us (I will be with you always) and His teachings (Doctrine…If you love me you will obey my commandments).

St. Joan of Arc…
Amen!! My thoughts exactly! I see a disturbing trend to allow Protestant-based evangelization programs to enter the Church…as if aligning ourselves with the Church Jesus established violates a Kerygma message. Anyway, I won’t digress too far off topic, but I thank you for your thoughts and comments.

-Ernie-
 
If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
I think that when I get little out of Mass, it is my own fault. Jesus incarnate is there waiting for me, there to give me Himself. If I don’t get anything from that, it is because of my own lack of focus, humility and wonder.

God bless. 🙂
 
Deacons and priests can work on their homilies… things such as
  • Don’t repeat everything that we just heard in the readings and Gospel
  • Tie in a personal story
  • Use inflection and work on tone of voice (not monotone)
  • Make your homily relevant to the congregation- know your audience
  • Listen to homilies by fellow deacons/priests and sermons by other ministers from different denominations to learn their communication style
  • Attend Toastmasters or create a group of other deacons/priests to critique and improve homilies
  • Do some background research about the readings/Gospel
  • Sound passionate about your homily (we can tell if you’re bored, too; it’s ok to admit it is a difficult topic)
  • A joke every now and then may be helpful
 
  1. If I get little out of a mass, that is my own doing. Either I am not fully present, or I am letting things distract me, or I am focusing on things that should not matter.
  2. Not much really. It is mostly the fault of what people bring to the mass or what they don’t bring. They bring distraction, restlessness, their own boredom, and leave their love of the Eucharist, their gratitude and any desire to truly participate in the mass at home.
The mass and church do not need to be made more meaningful. The problem is not the Church. It is not the mass. It is a people problem.
 
Deacons and priests can work on their homilies… things such as
  • Don’t repeat everything that we just heard in the readings and Gospel
  • Tie in a personal story
  • Use inflection and work on tone of voice (not monotone)
  • Make your homily relevant to the congregation- know your audience
  • Listen to homilies by fellow deacons/priests and sermons by other ministers from different denominations to learn their communication style
  • Attend Toastmasters or create a group of other deacons/priests to critique and improve homilies
  • Do some background research about the readings/Gospel
  • Sound passionate about your homily (we can tell if you’re bored, too; it’s ok to admit it is a difficult topic)
  • A joke every now and then may be helpful
This is all just style. Some of what you would like, others would not. So that is not the true solution. It is what is in people’s hearts that is the problem. We should not be attending mass to be successfully “entertained” or else we find mass less meaningful.
 
I have taught high school students for 10 years (Old and New Testament) I can tell you what lights the faith in teens and others. It when they realize those they hear about in the Bible were not perfect. When they see Peter in all his glory. When instead of being a book you are read it becomes a book you slip inside and watch happen. This leads to everything meaning more including Mass. It is taking those stories we know so well most ignore them in Mass… like the Prodigal Son, Everyone knows it right… wait. the Father (God) what was He doing? Watching for his son… everyday… waiting for him to finally come back to him. when He saw his son what did He do? He RAN to him, rich men in those times did not run… they sent servants to run…and he celebrated his son’s return… God. or What was Jesus’ day like when He did the loaves and fish miracle? Why was he in the boat, alone? He was grieving John the Baptist having his head cut off and brought to Herod’s daughter on a silver platter (where the expression came from), Notice in the story, where is Jesus? Who is the face of the miracle? He quietly had his disciples go and gather food, behind the scenes he Blesses the food and sends, the Apostles out. They are the face of Jesus to the crowd. Later he sends the Apostles out in the boat while he prays alone, into a storm, on purpose. Why?

How about after Christ rises on Easter? Peter, the denier? Christ comes and does he speak to Peter first? no… He doesn’t speak to him the first time, or the second appearance either…So next we see Peter, head Apostle one day, now?? Peter goes fishing? Why? He thought he had messed. He denied Christ over a charcoal fire to a little girl for the third time. Peter figured he was done and needed to get on with life. with his old job, fishing. Jesus shows up.3rd time . shows Peter that he knows where the fish are… and Breakfast… over a charcoal fire. So many fish… they needed help to pull in the nets. Jesus? Peter, go get the fish. Peter brings the net, and fish… alone. As Jesus asked… He was able…He trusted No thinking just did. 3 questions do you love me. Peter is Peter… he gets testy with the third question… to Jesus… GOD… For all his faults Peter trusted often, without thinking of the outcome. doesn’t want his feet washed… Jesus explains Peter now wants a full sponge bath. oh, washing feet? why? muddy streets where animals do what they do (unlike the circus, no pooper scooper). Jesus washed poop off their feet (ceremony was to make sure no one tracked poop into the houses, it was normally done by servants as a housekeeping practice).

To make Mass mean something those attending need to believe, to see, to understand the truth and beauty of the Faith, of Jesus’ life. That the last supper was a meal eaten every year for the entirety of Passover. Like Jews today, they knew what was suppose to happen. They were faithful Jews. Jesus changes thing as they get to the 3rd cup… They must have been shocked… not excited, shocked… what is He doing… He has had too much wine… It was not OH look… Jesus is giving us his body… It was a first. And Catholics today get to receive the same body.

Mass is shifting in some parishes to be more about community than Jesus…“I wanna hold your hand” Our Fathers, run and say hi, totally missing the meaning of the handshake of peace and how it symbolizes leaving you gift at the alter to make peace with those you were not loving… not about how popular you are and how many hands you can shake… and the newest… Hey, if the Priest can do it so can I hand gestures… Look at me… I am so Holy… watch my outward sign… that proves I have no clue what the priest is doing… what it means… as I copy him… cause I am just as important as he is… We forget Jesus every time one of those actions happens… when you think of yourself in Mass or worse others, you are ignoring Jesus. When Mass is about “Me” and what I do and what I get out of it you are missing the point of the Mass. Yeah, Jesus is there all the time, all around us…got it. But at the alter, after the prayer when that knew hits the ground… Jesus is right… there… you can point at Him, you can feel him. Once that is understood, that He is there and He is there for YOU, Mass becomes not a burden but a chance to spend time with Jesus. As you walk up to the altar to receive try thinking, I get to hold God, I get to have him in “Me” with each step. That is the Jesus relationship we need to foster. One where we all come together for one reason to focus on 1. and that one is not “Me”. Those who are 30 - 60 are in the gap in teaching the faith… the day by day Jesus Christ Superstar Religion classes did not prepare us for Mass. They were rebelling from the Baltimore Catechism’s rote memorization. Those adults need to be taught what they misse - basic church history. what did the services of the early Christian’s look like? The Didache shows how close what we do now is what was done when the Apostles were alive.
When one learns the Catholic Mass goes back to when they would kill you for being Catholic and so you gathered in tombs to worship. and took home a hunk of the Eucharist to feed on each day (Our Daily Bread) When one hears of the miracles that you can see today concerning the Eucharist… that is what causes Mass to be more than an obligation. Short cuts are just smoke and mirrors… If the focus is on “me” instead of Him, then making the Mass more exciting is a move away from the very center of our Faith. It is not having a Mass worthy of attending. It Better to focus on having them understand why they are at Mass rather to focus on making it more “fun” for all.
 
This is all just style. Some of what you would like, others would not. So that is not the true solution. It is what is in people’s hearts that is the problem. We should not be attending mass to be successfully “entertained” or else we find mass less meaningful.
I agree. To be honest, I hate personal stories in a homily. I’ve only heard one that I felt really tied in to the point. And I don’t like it when it seems the homily becomes the central thing. I knew one priest at a parish I attended who, God bless him, would talk for almost 20 minutes during his homilies. I had a bad habit of checking my watch when he began and ended.

I know that reading The Lambs Supper by Scott Hahn really explained a lot for me personally. I read it shortly after being confirmed and I was disappointed we weren’t taught any of that in RCIA. Also The Spirit of the Liturgy by Pope Benedict.
 
Hello,

I hear people describe the Mass as boring, not relevant, uninspiring…that many get nothing out of it and go out of obligation if at all. I’ve also heard many talk about the Church in less than glowing terms. So I have two questions:
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.

My reasoning is that a love of Jesus without love for the Mass/Eucharist or the teachings of the Church equals a Protestant. A love of Jesus and the Mass/Eucharist without a love of the teachings of the Church leads to “cafeteria Catholics” that doubt certain aspects of what the Church teaches. But a Catholic that loves Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and all teachings of the Church produces a passionate Catholic that can spread like wild fire.

That’s at least my theory. Feel free to answer my questions, respond to my above theory, or provide any ideas you may have. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and (name removed by moderator)ut!

-Ernie-
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For those who take the position that mass is boring, it reminds me of when Jesus gave the “bread of life discourse”. John 6:26-70] a preview of what He will institute … the Eucharist

What happened in the end of that discourse? His own disciples left Him. They said that what Jesus was teaching was too hard to listen to. And they left Him.
  • Was Jesus boring them? No
  • Was He not clear with them? No
  • Did He need a different approach with them? No
They saw His miracles. They were there when Jesus fed 5000 with a few fish and loaves of bread. Jesus, the 2nd person of the blessed trinity, the one who spoke in the beginning, and all that is, came into existence, was physically in their presence, body blood soul and divinity, yet they left Him saying to His face, that what He was teaching them was too hard to listen to. And they walked away from Him.

Did Jesus go after them? No. He let them go. Which IMV is one of the scariest passages in scripture.

Bottom line, why did those disciples leave Him?

They had no faith. They didn’t believe. And Jesus knew that in advance. John 6:61-65]

As Aquinas said

for those who have faith no explanation is necessary, for those who have no faith no explanation is sufficient.

Since faith is a gift from God, if one has no faith or it is weak at best, they need to ask God for faith. ***Then ***they need to add to it in ever increasing amounts, the following 7 attributes. Note: knowledge is 2nd on the list.

**2 Pet 1: 5 **For this very reason ***make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For *** if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall; 11 so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

To Peter’s point, one can’t love who they don’t know. And if one doesn’t do what Peter is teaching here, Peter says they will fall.

in extension as an observation, too many people
  • don’t fear God
  • therefore don’t fear the consequences for not doing what He commands
Re: Mass, and what one is to “know” about Mass

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Hello,

I hear people describe the Mass as boring, not relevant, uninspiring…that many get nothing out of it and go out of obligation if at all. I’ve also heard many talk about the Church in less than glowing terms. So I have two questions:
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.

My reasoning is that a love of Jesus without love for the Mass/Eucharist or the teachings of the Church equals a Protestant. A love of Jesus and the Mass/Eucharist without a love of the teachings of the Church leads to “cafeteria Catholics” that doubt certain aspects of what the Church teaches. But a Catholic that loves Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and all teachings of the Church produces a passionate Catholic that can spread like wild fire.

That’s at least my theory. Feel free to answer my questions, respond to my above theory, or provide any ideas you may have. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and (name removed by moderator)ut!

-Ernie-
It’s a people, culture and technology problem. Mass is having a harder time reaching people because of the way we live, especially in the US. Someone already mentioned John 6 when the hungry hoard wanted more food Jesus instead presented them with spiritual food - many people apparently didn’t want to hear it and left.

That being said, while on vacation I went to a Mass in which the priest gave a 5 minute explanation of each reading before it was read, explaining what it was about, it’s context and other stuff. He did this instead of giving a homily after the gospel reading. I thought it was a very good method to use in order to instruct the congregation. The message and points were much easier to follow and I got a lot out of it at the time.
 
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.
Great post and excellent goal for you to try to achieve.
  1. Prayer during the week. Nothing is going to happen without that. If the entire spiritual life of the person is the one hour on Sunday, they’re not going to make progress.
  2. Apologetics and knowing thy “enemy”. Love the Faith by understanding its greatness, and realize it has power to change those who go the wrong way.
  3. Like #1, Bible reading (even some good videos out there) - internalize Jesus’ message
  4. Community action - like #2, outreach activities to non-believers
  5. Simplicity. Shutting off the noise. Rejecting worldliness. Getting rid of selfishness.
  6. Living the virtues. Admiring role models in virtue. Good Christian men and women.
  7. Staying connected to the Community. Teaching, learning, sharing, fellowshipping – reaching out with phone calls. Making friends. Actually being a Catholic all the time.
 
Attend mass more than required, the more you are in Gods presence, the less likely your parish will continue their egregious sinful habits
 
I have taught high school students for 10 years (Old and New Testament) I can tell you what lights the faith in teens and others. It when they realize those they hear about in the Bible were not perfect. When they see Peter in all his glory. When instead of being a book you are read it becomes a book you slip inside and watch happen. This leads to everything meaning more including Mass. It is taking those stories we know so well most ignore them in Mass… like the Prodigal Son, Everyone knows it right… wait. the Father (God) what was He doing? Watching for his son… everyday… waiting for him to finally come back to him. when He saw his son what did He do? He RAN to him, rich men in those times did not run… they sent servants to run…and he celebrated his son’s return… God. or What was Jesus’ day like when He did the loaves and fish miracle? Why was he in the boat, alone? He was grieving John the Baptist having his head cut off and brought to Herod’s daughter on a silver platter (where the expression came from), Notice in the story, where is Jesus? Who is the face of the miracle? He quietly had his disciples go and gather food, behind the scenes he Blesses the food and sends, the Apostles out. They are the face of Jesus to the crowd. Later he sends the Apostles out in the boat while he prays alone, into a storm, on purpose. Why?

How about after Christ rises on Easter? Peter, the denier? Christ comes and does he speak to Peter first? no… He doesn’t speak to him the first time, or the second appearance either…So next we see Peter, head Apostle one day, now?? Peter goes fishing? Why? He thought he had messed. He denied Christ over a charcoal fire to a little girl for the third time. Peter figured he was done and needed to get on with life. with his old job, fishing. Jesus shows up.3rd time . shows Peter that he knows where the fish are… and Breakfast… over a charcoal fire. So many fish… they needed help to pull in the nets. Jesus? Peter, go get the fish. Peter brings the net, and fish… alone. As Jesus asked… He was able…He trusted No thinking just did. 3 questions do you love me. Peter is Peter… he gets testy with the third question… to Jesus… GOD… For all his faults Peter trusted often, without thinking of the outcome. doesn’t want his feet washed… Jesus explains Peter now wants a full sponge bath. oh, washing feet? why? muddy streets where animals do what they do (unlike the circus, no pooper scooper). Jesus washed poop off their feet (ceremony was to make sure no one tracked poop into the houses, it was normally done by servants as a housekeeping practice).

To make Mass mean something those attending need to believe, to see, to understand the truth and beauty of the Faith, of Jesus’ life. That the last supper was a meal eaten every year for the entirety of Passover. Like Jews today, they knew what was suppose to happen. They were faithful Jews. Jesus changes thing as they get to the 3rd cup… They must have been shocked… not excited, shocked… what is He doing… He has had too much wine… It was not OH look… Jesus is giving us his body… It was a first. And Catholics today get to receive the same body.

Mass is shifting in some parishes to be more about community than Jesus…“I wanna hold your hand” Our Fathers, run and say hi, totally missing the meaning of the handshake of peace and how it symbolizes leaving you gift at the alter to make peace with those you were not loving… not about how popular you are and how many hands you can shake… and the newest… Hey, if the Priest can do it so can I hand gestures… Look at me… I am so Holy… watch my outward sign… that proves I have no clue what the priest is doing… what it means… as I copy him… cause I am just as important as he is… We forget Jesus every time one of those actions happens… when you think of yourself in Mass or worse others, you are ignoring Jesus. When Mass is about “Me” and what I do and what I get out of it you are missing the point of the Mass. Yeah, Jesus is there all the time, all around us…got it. But at the alter, after the prayer when that knew hits the ground… Jesus is right… there… you can point at Him, you can feel him. Once that is understood, that He is there and He is there for YOU, Mass becomes not a burden but a chance to spend time with Jesus. As you walk up to the altar to receive try thinking, I get to hold God, I get to have him in “Me” with each step. That is the Jesus relationship we need to foster. One where we all come together for one reason to focus on 1. and that one is not “Me”. Those who are 30 - 60 are in the gap in teaching the faith… the day by day Jesus Christ Superstar Religion classes did not prepare us for Mass. They were rebelling from the Baltimore Catechism’s rote memorization. Those adults need to be taught what they misse - basic church history. what did the services of the early Christian’s look like? The Didache shows how close what we do now is what was done when the Apostles were alive.
When one learns the Catholic Mass goes back to when they would kill you for being Catholic and so you gathered in tombs to worship. and took home a hunk of the Eucharist to feed on each day (Our Daily Bread) When one hears of the miracles that you can see today concerning the Eucharist… that is what causes Mass to be more than an obligation. Short cuts are just smoke and mirrors… If the focus is on “me” instead of Him, then making the Mass more exciting is a move away from the very center of our Faith. It is not having a Mass worthy of attending. It Better to focus on having them understand why they are at Mass rather to focus on making it more “fun” for all.
Well said.
 
Some of what you would like, others would not. So that is not the true solution.
Very true. While I don’t mind occasional levity I also don’t want a comedy routine. I have had to sit through homilies where the priest told jokes and it seemed to cheapen the Mass.
It is what is in people’s hearts that is the problem. We should not be attending mass to be successfully “entertained” or else we find mass less meaningful.
I certainly think that some homilies could be more engaging, but I agree that we should not look at Mass as a competing form of entertainment. When people say they go to MegaSuper Church down the street for the great preaching and fellowship at the in-church coffee bar it tells me they are missing the point. I go to Mass to enter into an intimate relationship with Christ.If people are looking to be engaged, but don’t love Christ then it misses the whole point of what God wants from us; to enter into loving communion with Him.
 
hydin, excellent post.

What makes me “on fire” is to know that even the disciples made mistakes. It is showing me through scripture that salvation history is littered with God reaching out to us and us turning our back, and yet He still reaches out to enfold us. I feel most engaged when my failings are brought to mind and then the priest challenges me to rise above those failing and to become a better person; not for my own sake, but for love of Christ. I don’t want a bubblegum, feel good “experience”, but rather to have the reality of a faith centered in Christ and not man.

What puts that fire out? When Mass becomes about us. When Mass becomes a social event where we pat ourselves on the back, shake hands and turn fellowship into something more important than listening to Christ. Too often we are like Martha and focus on being good hosts instead of sitting quietly at the feet of Christ to learn as Mary did.
 
read “Lamb’s Supper” by Dr Scott Hahn

i have this book in my hand as i post this…
 
Hello Ernie.

This is only my opinion, but I think if a person gets little out of Mass that their loyalties are placed elsewhere - however, and this is a big however - Mass is the best place for any of us to be no matter what the spiritual place - well, while on this earth.

I think 1) more holy priests & bishops who do not give in to popular culture, bad criticism, monied parishioners, threats of losing their tax exempt status, their own discouragement and who set boundaries for time to be with God; 2) required reading (besides what a priest is supposed to be reading anyway) for a priest should be Archbishop Sheen’s book “The Priest Is Not His Own,” and everything by and about St. John Vianney in addition to keeping to their own prayer routine (aren’t priests required to pray the Divine Office daily) and the old adage “when everything else fails, follow directions”; 3) priests give over more time to being available to hearing confessions during the week and for a few minutes just before Mass 4) parishioners keeping a journal of what touched their hearts at Mass (brief entries); parishioners going to Mass & Adoration weekly, daily if possible; reading one spiritual book every 2 weeks; giving of oneself however small a thing it seems; reading the Bible daily; examining conscience every day using a reliable guide; 5) parishioners buying latest copy of the Catholic Catechism and reading it; 6) parishioners having their own missal; 7) tithing; 8) return to saying the Confiteor during Mass, not just the “Lord Have Mercy”; 9) return to saying the St. Michael the Archangel prayer immediately after mass…just some ideas…

Also, I think a solid Bible study, that’s Catholic based and approved by the Catholic church could be helpful.

My two cents.
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.
 
Hello,

I hear people describe the Mass as boring, not relevant, uninspiring…that many get nothing out of it and go out of obligation if at all. I’ve also heard many talk about the Church in less than glowing terms. So I have two questions:
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.

My reasoning is that a love of Jesus without love for the Mass/Eucharist or the teachings of the Church equals a Protestant. A love of Jesus and the Mass/Eucharist without a love of the teachings of the Church leads to “cafeteria Catholics” that doubt certain aspects of what the Church teaches. But a Catholic that loves Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and all teachings of the Church produces a passionate Catholic that can spread like wild fire.

That’s at least my theory. Feel free to answer my questions, respond to my above theory, or provide any ideas you may have. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and (name removed by moderator)ut!

-Ernie-
Hi Ernie;

Thanks for your comments. I think there is a lot of truth to what you posted, and a great deal of potential good in what you seek.

To be blunt, the parish’s pastor or administrator needs to be a true leader, a true shepherd for a parish to catch on fire with the Holy Spirit.

Without such a leader, it’s like pushing on a rope. With such a leader however, it’s a wonderful thing to experience!
 
Hello,

I hear people describe the Mass as boring, not relevant, uninspiring…that many get nothing out of it and go out of obligation if at all. I’ve also heard many talk about the Church in less than glowing terms. So I have two questions:
  1. If you get little to nothing out of Mass why do you think that is?
  2. What do you think needs to be done to inspire a greater love of the Mass and the Catholic Church?
I’m looking for ideas for my parish to be more passionate Catholics. To help them be more alive in their love of Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and the teachings of the Church as a whole. My belief is that all 3 need to be integrated to make for a passionate and “on fire” Catholic.

My reasoning is that a love of Jesus without love for the Mass/Eucharist or the teachings of the Church equals a Protestant. A love of Jesus and the Mass/Eucharist without a love of the teachings of the Church leads to “cafeteria Catholics” that doubt certain aspects of what the Church teaches. But a Catholic that loves Jesus, the Mass/Eucharist, and all teachings of the Church produces a passionate Catholic that can spread like wild fire.

That’s at least my theory. Feel free to answer my questions, respond to my above theory, or provide any ideas you may have. Thank you in advance for your thoughts and (name removed by moderator)ut!

-Ernie-
i would suggest to get the peole in your group to join

The Marian Catechist Apostolate

then you would develop a like minded community

If you are interested in service to the Catholic Church through the teaching of the Faith, please consider joining the Marian Catechist Apostolate.

The heart of the Marian Catechist Apostolate is to fulfill Christ’s directive to proclaim the Gospel to all nations, so that in knowing God, all might love Him; that in loving Him, all might serve Him; that in serving Him, all souls might be saved. To this end, the purpose of the Marian Catechist Apostolate is twofold:

To cultivate love of the Holy Eucharist, devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and unswerving loyalty to the Holy Father and the Magisterium (the teaching authority) of the Catholic Church.
To prepare members to share the gift of Christ’s truth and love, as found in its fullness in the teachings and practice of the Catholic Church, through the Apostolate of Catechesis.
The mission of the Apostolate is to form and nurture catechists for the teaching and sharing of the Catholic Faith. Marian Catechists must be heroic souls whose spiritual and doctrinal formation equips them for active participation in the new evangelization of America. Understanding that the foundation of all true and effective catechesis is a vibrant spiritual life, the spiritual formation of each Marian Catechist is vitally important; our efforts to share the Faith will be futile unless our lives attest to its beauty and richness. We become authentic witnesses to Our Lord Jesus Christ through a holiness of life and a life of prayer that develops and is nurtured slowly over time.

Marian Catechist Apostolate

In addition to growing in personal holiness, members of the Apostolate are formed doctrinally by learning the Faith in a manner that is both challenging and deeply rewarding. Each of the four courses in our doctrinal formation is designed for home-study, although assistance is available from the International Office upon request.
 
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