Looking for the stats on “homosexuality & pedophilia”

[FiveLinden]

sexual organs are designed

Only those who believe in creationism or in God-directed evolution think that sexual organs were ‘designed’. The problem with this idea is that as with all organs you can see design flaws as well as advantages, suggesting the designer, if there was one, made decisions you would not predict.

 

[annad347]

The man that abused me was gay, but thankfully I am not.

That explains a lot.

 

[annad347]

That link just repeats feminist talking points and does not address the question. If it was really about power and not sex, why do rapists tend to choose victims that coincide with their sexual orientation?

Maybe because women who get raped are more likely to report it then men.

Can you imagine the abuse a heterosexual man who was over powered, then raped by another man.

No matter what he says or does, certain people will not believe he was raped. Certain people will think he’s gay so deserved it. Certain people will think he was weak when he’s not… the last thing he would think was that he was a chosen victims by a man who needed to show his power and not sex by raping and abusing someone weaker then him.

Adult men who do get raped are even less likely to report it… just like women who get raped.

 

[annad347]

You are missing the point, perhaps because it completely destroys the leftwing narrative. If rape was about power, why do rapists generally only target one sex that happens to coincide with their sexual orientation?

My point is that you don’t know that.

If there are no statistics on the number of heterosexual men who were raped by another heterosexual man. Though it is possible… especially if power and anger is the reason for the rape… which is usually the reason a person rapes another person.

 

[WingedHussar]

Going more graphic on this forum is probably a bad idea. Suffice it to say that pedophile literally means “lover of children”, the word itself implies attraction.

 

[annad347]

Going more graphic on this forum is probably a bad idea.

Yea, I was thinking that, I tried not to get too graphic but I wanted to explain my point. I hope I edited it better.

Suffice it to say that pedophile literally means “lover of children”, the word itself implies attraction.

That might be the definition, but psychiatrist also believe it can be about revenge, power and hate… especially if the person was a victim as a child.

 

[Inquisitor85]

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[Rau]

The change in the DSM for homosexuality from disorder to orientation should be the subject of a different thread, as it appears to have been a political decision.

Though that may be, there is a pragmatism about it (ceasing to view it as a disorder) that’s hard to escape.

 

[Inquisitor85]

Well we know that sexuality is somewhat fluid, given that one of the biggest contributors to child sexual abuse is access and priests have traditionally had more access to boys than girls. I mean it’s not like heterosexual men can’t have sex with other men, if that was true the situational homosexuality wouldn’t be an observable phenomenon.

 

[Rau]

If it was really about power and not sex, why do rapists tend to choose victims that coincide with their sexual orientation?

Because that is the acceptable means of exercising power for that rapist.

 

[Rau]

When a pedophile rapes a child its not always about the attraction but about the ability to over power someone else… especially someone younger.

Not so sure that overpowering another is the dominant motivation. When you say rape, I assume you are not necessarily referring to a violent act. Pedophilia often involves a form of seduction. The “needs” that the abuser seeks to fulfill are multiple (and varied) - an imagined friendship & closeness, sexual gratification and in some cases there may be a desire to dominate.

 

[Freddy]

For unflinching valor in the face of censorship and disdain, I induct you, JamesV.Cameron into the Order of Nicholas Sandmann.

I guess he can wear his Order with his Badge of Honour. If he comes back.

 

[annad347]

Not so sure that overpowering another is the dominant motivation. When you say rape, I assume you are not necessarily referring to a violent act. Pedophilia often involves a form of seduction. The “needs” that the abuser seeks to fulfill are multiple (and varied) - an imagined friendship & closeness, sexual gratification and in some cases there may be a desire to dominate.

True, there are multiple reasons a pedophilia does what they do, but even if it’s done in a form of seduction, in an imagined friendship & closeness its still rape.

 

[TheLittleLady]

WND is less reliable than the National Enquirer, the only thing less dependable is the Weekly World News.

 

[otjm]

Only if politics is superior to truth.

 

[otjm]

Well we know that sexuality is somewhat fluid, given that one of the biggest contributors to child sexual abuse is access and priests have traditionally had more access to boys than girls. I mean it’s not like heterosexual men can’t have sex with other men, if that was true the situational homosexuality wouldn’t be an observable phenomenon.

That both defies logic and common sense, as well as evidence, not to mention moral law.

 

[Rau]

Only if politics is superior to truth.

The truth has to be “relevant” to the context - in this case the context is “conditions in need of treatment”.
The psychologists know of no way to ‘correct’ whatever underpins the misdirected sexual attractions, and the other characterizations I gave of the condition are largely true. While I don’t deny the “political” motivations, I can’t overlook the futility of regarding something as a medical/psychological disorder when, in non-religious terms, the condition appears to require no treatment.
If there is a downside, it’s the risk that research may be curtailed and we may never know what gives rise to sexual orientation.

 

[Inquisitor85]

Which part? That sexuality is fluid? That priests traditionally had more access to boys? That straight men have sex with men? Or that situational homosexuality is a thing?

If you’d narrow down where your issue is I’d gladly help to explain where I’m coming from.

 

[Horton]

Here is the reality. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with a man desiring to abuse a child. A homosexual man isn’t more likely to abuse little boys any more than a heterosexual man abuse little girls.

The most common sexual abuser of children is a married heterosexual white man. The gender of the child may or may not be just a preference to the man. If he abuses little boys it does not mean he is a closet homosexual. It just means he prefers to abuse little boys.

The idea that priests who have sexually abused boys must have done so because they are homosexual is ridiculous. Most of adults, regardless of our sexual orientation, are hard wired to be attracted to adults. Homosexual men are just the same. It is part of God’s plan for us. For those who abuse children, that wire is messed up and they given in to those temptations because they are weak & selfish. They know what they are doing is wrong, they know people will be horrified by what they do, yet they do it anyway. A man could be sharing a marital bed with his wife every night but be abusing little cub scouts every chance he gets. He’s not gay, he’s a twisted soul who never have the chance to be around kids.

 

[otjm]

The idea that priests who have sexually abused boys must have done so because they are homosexual is ridiculous. Most of adults, regardless of our sexual orientation, are hard wired to be attracted to adults. Homosexual men are just the same.

I have known a number of priest in my area who were accused of having sexual relations with teenage boys. Can I prove they were homosexual? I never asked them; but I have observed males and femals since childhood, and I am well aware of characteristics of sme males which could be idnentified as “feminine”. This is going to get us all into stray territory; (can’t find the popcorn emoji) and I have no interest in dbating mannerims.

However, the Man/boy relationship is well established clear back to ancient Greece and is not some sort of historical anomaly. SExual impulse (and I would say, not natural) does attrract a small subset of adults with teenage children;; cross sexual is what we hear most of (e.g. women teachers and teenage boys; men teachers and teenage girls) and I have yet to hear of issues of female women and teenage girls - but I certainly have heard of homosexual men and teenage boys.

Abuse is an interesting word. Abuse can be due to coercion; but to presume that all sexual contact between a man and a teenage boy is coercive ignores the fact that we are seeing and hearing of teenagers self identifying as having SSA; and if a male teenager who self identifies as having SSA engages in sexual activity with a male adult homosexual that is considered by law to be abusive, but not of necessity coercive.

A man could be sharing a marital bed with his wife every night but be abusing little cub scouts every chance he gets.

Or teenage boy scouts; the slang term is he is AC/DC; or more properly, bi-sexual. I don’t know statistics, and I have not gone through the list of abusing priests who abused teenage boys (the great majority) to see if any of them abused girls also - that would take far more research and be far more difficult to determine than I have any interest in doing. But the evidence from the John Jay report appears to support that male priests ab;used male boys.

Pedophilia does tend to be non-discriminating in large part as to whether the child abused is same sex or opposite sex, and it most certainly is not unknown in families for children of both sexes to be abused by the father (I have handled one such case); but those are cases of pre-pubescent abuse. The great majority of the abusive priests were against teenagers.