Looking for the stats on “homosexuality & pedophilia”

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The most common sexual abuser of children is a married heterosexual white man. The gender of the child may or may not be just a preference to the man. If he abuses little boys it does not mean he is a closet homosexual. It just means he prefers to abuse little boys.
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What about the most common abuser of young teen boys? Isn’t that the most common category of (priestly) abuse victims?
 
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This is a misconception. Adults are not naturally attracted to teens. While can appreciate their looks but we are not attracted to them in a sexual way. Men who sexually abuse teens, and it is abuse as an underage child cannot give consent, are doing so because they have twisted desire to do so. I suppose I could go and look for clinical terms to describe it but basically it comes down to twisted. Being sexually attracted to a child of any gender is unnatural regardless if is a prepubescent or adolescent.

So many people try to make sense of sexual abuser behavior, find something to blame it on, he must be gay, he must have been abused, he must have… Guess what - we aren’t supposed to understand it. We can’t understand their thinking. If we did we would be like them.

For several years early in my career I worked with sexual offenders. The stuff I heard during therapy sessions made me sick. It was a good thing I could compartmentalize my work back then. I had to stop because it just got so ugly. However I did learn a few things about men who sexually abuse kids.
 
Horton said:
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This is a misconception. Adults are not naturally attracted to teens. While can appreciate their looks but we are not attracted to them in a sexual way. Men who sexually abuse teens, and it is abuse as an underage child cannot give consent, are doing so because they have twisted desire to do so. I suppose I could go and look for clinical terms to describe it but basically it comes down to twisted. Being sexually attracted to a child of any gender is unnatural regardless if is a prepubescent or adolescent.

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So, – adult men can look at a teenager and know how old they are? A gay man won’t be attracted to a teen who is 17 years and 11 months – but would magically know it’s okay to be attracted to that person a month later?
Same for a heterosexual man – never never would a “normal” man feel attracted to a 16 or 17 year old teenager? They can magically tell by looking whether a young lady is 17 or 18?
This logically makes little sense to me. Especially considering that it wasn’t so long ago that teen girls got married commonly at age 16, 17. Were their husbands pedophiles? Was Mohammed Ali a pedophile for getting involved with a 16-year-old girl that he later married?
Since the age of consent in the UK is 16, “normal” British men can be attracted to 16 and 17 year olds, but not Americans?

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Horton said:
So many people try to make sense of sexual abuser behavior, find something to blame it on, he must be gay, he must have been abused, he must have…
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I understand your background in dealing with abusers, and by no means intend to diminish your experiences. As an attorney, I represented kids who were abused. so it is not as if I have no experience either. None of them were priests who abused; however, I have known several of the priests who did abuse teenagers. The children I represented were abused in-family.

I simply disagree with you that it is an issue of trying to place blame; the evidence is clear and widely acknowledged that the abuse of teenage boys by priests was by priests who have SSA. And that is reflective of my experience of knowing some of the priests who have abused.
 
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A homosexual man isn’t more likely to abuse little boys any more than a heterosexual man abuse little girls.
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I think the point suggested is that those few gay men inclined to abuse teenagers are more likely to abuse boys than girls. Whether evidence bears that out in the general population (where access to boys and girls is equally available), I don’t know, but one can see why there might be such a preference.

When the victim age is lowered below teenagers, into the pedophilia range, there may be less of a basis to think orientation plays a part.
 
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When I was a teen girl, it was considered a badge of “honor”, something bragworthy, to have an older boyfriend.
 
It appears you would rather hold on to your ignorance about the subject instead of learning the facts. If you feel it is normal for a grown man to be attracted to teenage girls, well I hope you pray to God you don’t act on those attractions.
 
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The abuse by priests apparently tends to involve male victims, arguably because of “access.”
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I can’t remember a time there were ONLY altar boys. Altar girls have been quite prevalent for about 50 years now. In many parishes, they outnumber the boys. Priests, overall, have had equal access to girls for decades, yet we still see the vast majority of cases within the church against boys, and specifically older boys.

By definition, this is homosexual in nature. The mental gymnastics required to argue that a group of men who overwhelmingly abuse boys has no correlation to sexual orientation astonishes me.
 
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So many people try to make sense of sexual abuser behavior, find something to blame it on, he must be gay, he must have been abused, he must have…
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It’s not about placing blame. It’s about stating a fact and using words to mean what they’ve always meant.
 
It has been part of culture to the point that popular songs were written about it. Heck, there are so many to choose from, here is a short selection:




 
The age of consent is 16 years ole in 76 nations; it also happens to be the age of consent in Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina; and it varies around the world from 21 years old at the high end to 11.

You may feel that it is abnormal fro adult males to be interested in teenage girls, but the reality appears to be somewhere between slightly and radically different.

Again, I understand your revulsion; believe me, I get it. One of the sadder cases I had was representing a 15 year old girl whose father had repeatedly raped her and was in prison (not jail); about the only thing I could do was get the parental rights terminated (and I am not even going to go into the mother).

The issue of age of consent, however, is indicative that teenage girls are considered capable of consent, and that is not some law isolated from reality.
 
Thought of “Hot For Teacher”, but, that video is just toooo over the line.
 
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This is a misconception. Adults are not naturally attracted to teens. While can appreciate their looks but we are not attracted to them in a sexual way.
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Sorry, but history is not on your side. In the west, in antiquity, girls were married at age 12 frequently, if not always., For example. St. Augustine was waiting for his fiance to reach age 12 so he could marry her during the period when he was still not a Catholic.
 
Horton said:
The idea that priests who have sexually abused boys must have done so because they are homosexual is ridiculous. Most of adults, regardless of our sexual orientation, are hard wired to be attracted to adults. Homosexual men are just the same
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Dear Horton, then please explain five hundred years during which adult men were expected to lust after young boys/teenagers, and engaged in affair after affair with them.

For pity’s sake, almost every vase in ancient GRreece was decorated with a pretty boy being pursued by an adult male. Same sex desire (they didn’t really conceive of homosexuality the way we do) was not just prohibited, it was encouraged, seen as normal and good.

How old were the boys? Both in ancient Greece and Rome the belief was it was fine and normal to have sex with a boy so long as his first body hair hasn’t sprouted. Once that happened, it was no longer allowed.

It appears almost every other well off Roman had a staggering number of young boy slaves with whom he had sex. When he grew tired of the boy, the boy was farmed out to a brothel nearby so he could earn money for the owner. Romans were monsters morally.

And as for sex between adult men, consider these this: Seneca was condemned because he had sex with adult men instead of children (see Dio Cassius)
 
All of you can remain in your ignorance. I know better and I also know not to trust teen bopper music as a norm for human sexuality.

Setting you all to mute.
 
Horton said:
All of you can remain in your ignorance. I know better
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I was talking about history, and I can back up my statements with books by noted historians. Start with 'Roman Homosexuality" by Craig WIlliams.

What this has to do with teen music is a mystery.
 
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