Los Angeles Religious Education Conference 2006 / Dancers Deluxe

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Please stop going at each other and get back to the topic of the thread. Thanks.
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frommi:
Hmmm…let’s try what the Pope had to say in Ut Unum Sint about primacy…

"All this however must always be done in communion. When the Catholic Church affirms that the office of the Bishop of Rome corresponds to the will of Christ, she does not separate this office from the mission entrusted to the whole body of Bishops, who are also “vicars and ambassadors of Christ”.153 The Bishop of Rome is a member of the “College”, and the Bishops are his brothers in the ministry.’

The issue isn’t primacy my friend…but how and when that primacy is exercised.
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No one ever said the Pope was not a brother bishop. He is also not separate from the Church. That’s right out of Gasser’s Relatio.

But you reject the specific issues above. You cannot do that knowingly without falling into heresy. Bishops are Bishops - OK.

The Pope is: 402 “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”
 
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Frommi:
As to the Pope: Is he

“Pastor of the entire Church”
with
“Full, surpeme and universal power…”

“Which he can always exercise unhindered.”

Do you, or do you not, accept all of those statements?

You’ve written things that clearly reject them. Perhaps you have just been a tad careless and your prior comments are incomplete? If so, i understand that - I’ve done that before.

Unfortunately, i just don’t think that’s the case.
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I have no issue with any of those statements. But they have to be understood in the context of the college of bishops and the roles that all bishops play as successor to the apostles. Pope is not a 4th tier or holy orders, no one is ordained “Pope”.

In that same encyclical, for example, JPII points out that in “very specific circumstances” may a Pope speak Ex Cathedra.
I get the impression you have a wider view of his authority than most Popes do. It’s not meant to draw us into a dictatorship.
 
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Brendan:
There’s a little bit of a disconnect here.

You hope that one focuses on the postive, which is a good thing.

But then you finish with a statement that “when one’s person’s rights are abused, everyone’s rights are abused”

Since both the GIRM and Redemptionis Sacramentum state that the faithful have a right " to a liturgical celebration that is an expression of the Church’s life in accordance with her tradition and discipline."

Would you then concur that when this right is violated for one attendee, it is violated for all.

And what should be done about that violation?
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I was actually talking about civil rights and I don’t think this counts. Had you been there and had your rights (name removed by moderator)osed on by the liturgy not meeting the correct standards, that would be a different story. I’m also not convinced that this was such a bad, evil thing. It looks like the overall effect of the conference was a good one and, since it’s over and can’t be changed at this point, I don’t see the need to continue beating a dead horse.
 
Walt Oliver said:
Please stop going at each other and get back to the topic of the thread. Thanks.
Walt
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Thank you. I almost forgot what it was.

Deacon Tony
 
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koda:
I was actually talking about civil rights and I don’t think this counts. Had you been there and had your rights (name removed by moderator)osed on by the liturgy not meeting the correct standards, that would be a different story.
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Why would Canonical rights be of any less value than ‘Civil’ rights.

One comes from the Living Body of Christ, the other from a secular authority.
I’m also not convinced that this was such a bad, evil thing. It looks like the overall effect of the conference was a good one and, since it’s over and can’t be changed at this point, I don’t see the need to continue beating a dead horse.
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It would not be a bad thing for someone’s Canonical Rights to be violated, as long as the over all effect is a good one.

Does that also hold true for right from a civil nature?
 
I received a mass email with a link to The Cafeteria is Closed blog (several photos of the RE Conference) which then provided a link to the RE Conference. Click below to see video.

Watch the video
 
Would you please link The Cafeteria is Closed Blog link- I can’t open the video from the link provided in your Catholic Answers post (above)

Thanks,
Angel
 
GloriaPatria4 hasn’t posted since September so s/he may not be around to answer.

Here is The Cafeteria is Closed April archive. If you scroll down about 3/4 of the way you can find his discussion of the Religious Education Congress.

Unfortunately, the link he has to the video is the exact same link that GloriaPatri4 posted. I can’t get it to work in either Internet Explorer or in Firefox. Updating my Flash Player doesn’t help. 😦

But The Cafeteria is Closed has some photographs of the liturgical dance which at least will give you an idea of the event.
 
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