Lost in the Catholic Church

[chrisb]

I was Baptised in a Chapel in County Derry,N.Ireland and have attented Mass regulary and recieved Holy Comunion for near 30 years. I am not a Protestant and i never will be as they have just as much to answer for as the Catholic Church does. The Religions of this Earth are man-made and there-fore suit their own political agenda.Pleasing Governments all along the way. You ask “why is this post doing here?” Because i found Jesus and i want to let others who feel lost in their Church, regardless of Religion or creed that there is a light. Jesus Christ. He saved my life.

Grace and Peace,

Personally, I lament that your experiences have borne such tensions. I’m not sure why you seem to believe that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has saved you as we are to know them [that are His] by their fruit. having has many years in the faith I, no doubt, believe you know what the fruits of the Spirit are. As far as I am appear ‘self-righteous indignation’ is not one of them. I speak to you as a brother in Christ and mean not to offer insult but only to caution you in your presumption of God’s Grace.

Oh my Jesus! Let me mount to Thee on the steps of humility, on which Thou camest down to me.

Let us decrease so that He might increase within us?

 

[Rocky]

Hi Kungfubob,

I’m willing to take you at your word that you were baptized as a Catholic. It sounds as if you are hurting. I pray your relationship with your mother is a good one, and that God will bless you abundantly—

 

[bpbasilphx]

Kungfubob said at one point:

Im a 29 years old male and i come from a strong Irish Catholic background.My mother is a Eucharistic minister and the community i live in is small and close knit.

He also said

I was Baptised in a Chapel in County Derry,N.Ireland and have attented Mass regulary and recieved Holy Comunion for near 30 years.

**Unless he was a baptized in an Eastern Church, how could he have been receiving communioni for “near 30 years” if he’s only 29?

Did anyone but me notice the strange inconsistency?**

 

[brotherhrolf]

Unless he was a baptized in an Eastern Church, how could he have been receiving communioni for “near 30 years” if he’s only 29?

Did anyone but me notice the strange inconsistency?

Indeed. Not to mention the County Derry part. It is inconceivable to me that any Irish Catholic from County Derry would promote such ideas given what they have gone through there since 1968.

 

[EasterJoy]

You may have gotten some misguided opinions and witness about what our faith means. I cannot speak to that, except that you be charitable in believing that we are all trying, those who love you included. (And they do love you, which covers over a great deal, right?) What you say about the Church, as it stands now, being able to wipe out 3rd World hunger is simply false. Do not be so quick to think you are not a part of that.

In the early Church, as you have no doubt read in the Acts of the Apostles, the faithful gave what they had to a common fund. Who then, is making this all about money: the Church, who needs funds to maintain its places of worship and works of charity, or you, who seem to be a good deal more attached to your material possessions than the first Christians were? Perhaps it is not that the Church asks for too much, but that we have come to ask for too little.

They had leaders in the early Church, who were the Apostles; it was not each for himself in following the Lord. Paul considered himself a “father”, too, as you have no doubt read. The freedom of God is not freedom from authority. It is freedom to hear, to be obedient. (The definition of obedient is about ability to listen: look it up.) Those very Scriptures by which you know Christ are the teachings of those first bishops, who were teaching and living what that obedience requires.

Jesus’ love is free, but discipleship costs everything. If you’re looking for a service of God that asks for less, you’re not looking to follow Christ.

I think your desire for more may spring from a very real grace. If you thirst to give all in the Catholic Church, to expend yourself for souls, if the way you are living is not close enough to Christ for you, the way is there, in front of you. Open yourself to look for it.

If your post is, as some think, a mere provocation…well, look for it, anyway. Your joy awaits.

 

[rwoehmke]

I was Baptised in a Chapel in County Derry,N.Ireland and have attented Mass regulary and recieved Holy Comunion for near 30 years. I am not a Protestant and i never will be as they have just as much to answer for as the Catholic Church does. The Religions of this Earth are man-made and there-fore suit their own political agenda.Pleasing Governments all along the way. You ask “why is this post doing here?” Because i found Jesus and i want to let others who feel lost in their Church, regardless of Religion or creed that there is a light. Jesus Christ. He saved my life.

As my father-in-law from County Cork, would have said,“So lad, tis the poison of the black and tans that you’ve swallowed.” His own mother died of the green mouth disease, rather than deny her faith and take food from those jackals.

 

[cathgal]

Kungfubob,

I know exactly where you came from and you’re not the only one who felt this way.

Many who are brought up in a Catholic household are very ignorant of the faith. The fault can the parents or the clergy of the Church.

Fact is, most Catholics don’t read Bible because they got their teachings from the Church or the liturgy at mass. Protestants, on the other hand, ONLY got the Bible. Therefore, they would know Bible verses more than an ordinary Catholic.

So when an ordinary or ignorant Catholic meets a Protestant, a Catholic would be so overwhelmed by all the Bible verses thrown at him that he’d think he is *enlightened *by a Protestant, when in fact is…what does he know !
He’d think that all his entire life, he’d been lied to by the Church. That the Church kept him from knowing God or Jesus or the Bible !

And the next thing you know, this ordinary Catholic becomes a passionate Protestant going about slamming the Catholics and the Church. Going by the Bible only doctrine !

Kungfubob, can’t say I blame you. But I hope that you continue to have this zeal for Jesus and begin to dig deeper into the faith.

There are much, much, much to learn about Catholicism where you’re coming from. Just have an open mind and heart and eventually, all your misconceptions about the Church will be corrected.

 

[brotherhrolf]

As my father-in-law from County Cork, would have said,“So lad, tis the poison of the black and tans that you’ve swallowed.” His own mother died of the green mouth disease, rather than deny her faith and take food from those jackals.

And so they ended up on the Mississippi River levees in the heat of full summer and humidity of south Louisiana. And…prospered. And…remained true to HMC. Cork and Limmerick here. So I’m supposed to believe that a Catholic from Derry …Draw your own conclusions folks.

 

[dyspepsic]

No, young people leave the Catholic Church because they’re being taught the Protestant theology, “to each his own,” believe what you like, one way of worship is just as good as any other…in short, because they’re being taught Protestantism and not Catholicism. Some Catholics are so worried about offending nonCatholic Christians that they teach lies. There are no absolutes, there are no standards. No wonder people leave God and His Church? What’s the point in uniting to a God that expects nothing more than the pagan gods. This is the Protestant god.
Marie

No, that is not true. The anti-Vatican II people promote this falsehood. No one has ever taught that one religion is as good as another. What a falsehood!

Would you like to substantiate your assertion with Conciliar documents, the CCC or something else?

 

[tomarin]

Kungfubob,

I know exactly where you came from and you’re not the only one who felt this way.

Many who are brought up in a Catholic household are very ignorant of the faith. The fault can the parents or the clergy of the Church.

but not even they think we worship statues. that takes a special level of willful hostility.

 

[cathgal]

tomarin:

but not even they think we worship statues. that takes a special level of willful hostility.

Probably not until a Protestant shows him a verse about one should not create statues or images. Now how would an ordinary Catholic suppose to answer that ?

 

[JRKH]

I was Baptised in a Chapel in County Derry,N.Ireland and have attented Mass regulary and recieved Holy Comunion for near 30 years. **I am not a Protestant and i never will be **as they have just as much to answer for as the Catholic Church does. The Religions of this Earth are man-made and there-fore suit their own political agenda.Pleasing Governments all along the way. You ask “why is this post doing here?” Because i found Jesus and i want to let others who feel lost in their Church, regardless of Religion or creed that there is a light. Jesus Christ. He saved my life.

I am afraid you are mistaken. You are indeed a Protestant. Whether you belong to a denomination or not.
Your origional post, with it’s sweeping condemnations, accusations and misconceptions cannot be considered as anything other than a diatribe “Protesting” the Catholic Church.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Propaganda? Everything i have stated is known fact. Some of you may wish to hide behind your doubts,but one day you will see if you only read the bible.

Many here read the Bible. After all it is a Catholic Book. Assembled, maintianed, translated, protected, defended, and taught by the Holy Catholic Church.
If you can bring up specific passages to be discussed I am sure there are people here who can address them. Of course if you are closed to anything but your own interpretation…

God gave us knowledge and Jesus told us to ask questions and the Spirit will live within us if we do so. Remember, Jesus was killed because what he was saying went against Jewish law and he was called a blasphemer.

I went through much of the same kinds of things as you mention when I was trying to discern the gospels. I just wasn’t so vehemently opposed to the Church. You, my friend, Have a great deal to learn yet in your journey with Jesus in the Gospels.
Jesus was not killed because he taught against Jewish Law, He was killed because He taught against the corrupt temple practices… In additon He was considered by the Jewish authority and the Romans as a potential threat to the peace of Rome.
Most importantly He died for our sins.
Yes God gave us intelligence, and reason, and free will. He also established a church to spread the Gospel and guard and guide the faithful.

The Pope is no better a person than you or me,he sins just like the rest of us as he is human,

Yes the Holy Father is human. He sins. He has a confessor. He is weak in the eyes of God. But he is also a Human who has spent 60 plus years studying, and preaching, and living the Gospel as God has called Him to do. You consider yourself, with your anger in one hand, and your Bible in the other to be on the same intellectual, or spiritual plane as the Holy father?

remember what Jesus said, “No master is greater than his servant and no servant is greater than his master” as men we are all equal under God.

Why don’t you misquote some more verses out of context.

Luke 6:37-49 37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38 “Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure–pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.” 39 And He also spoke a parable to them: "A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 "A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.
Are you fully trained???
Or are you like the Blind man???

BTW God doesnt accept mastercard or visa.

I cannot think of a Christian response to this bit of gibberish.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Just because i have found God outside the Catholic Church does not give any of you the right to put me down as some of you have made clear. Alot of you wonder why young people are turning away from the catholic church and the answer is quite clear, people like you,with your holier than thou attitude,are turning the people in most need of God away,leaving them confused and isolated,lonely because no-one will listen to them.Its no wonder there are so many suicides among the youth of today.Some of you people,and i do say some,as not all of your comments have been negative are ignorant.I have read Thomas and i know how he had doubts about Jesus’s resurection and Jesus came back to him to show him the way. I have full belief in Christ and i know what he has done for me

Keep reading Bob - Keep reading.

And be sure to read the early church fathers. The ones who wrote extremely beneficial works BEFORE the Bible existed.
And I hope that someday you will be able to forgive the sinners within the church who left you so negative.
Remember the Lords Prayer, “Forgive us our Trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. You will be forgiven as you forgive.

Peace
James

 

[latinmasslover]

No, that is not true. The anti-Vatican II people promote this falsehood. No one has ever taught that one religion is as good as another. What a falsehood!

Would you like to substantiate your assertion with Conciliar documents, the CCC or something else?

Please don’t take my words out of context, I made no mention of Vatican II. I’m speaking from experience, the experience of someone who has traveled all over the US as well as other countries. My statement is propaganda? It’s not, what I said is practically a universal teaching among two groups: Catholics and Freemasons. It is not Catholic teaching, but that doesn’t change the fact that many Catholics pass it on, I myself was brought up with it, as was my father, his parents, my mother when she entered the Church, my brother when he was going through CCD, and all but a handful of Catholics I know.

It’s being taught, though it’s not a Catholic teaching. Did you think that I was saying that this is “official” Church teaching? I apologize if that’s the impression my post gave.

 

[teadough]

Also, we know the Pope’s a sinner. This is not a secret.

What? The Pope is a sinner? This is scandalous!!! I just converted to Catholicism this Vigil and must have been led astray. Heresy!!! Heresy,I tell ya!!!

I guess I better find my old Red Letter edition King James Bible

 

[chris1888]

Wow, that was like, how many cliches about the Catholic Church can I get in one post! Paganism, being all about money, man-made institution! Not to mention this guy is a 29 year old thats been recieving communion for 30 years!

Dear oh dear!

 

[dyspepsic]

Please don’t take my words out of context, I made no mention of Vatican II. I’m speaking from experience, the experience of someone who has traveled all over the US as well as other countries. My statement is propaganda? It’s not, what I said is practically a universal teaching among two groups: Catholics and Freemasons. It is not Catholic teaching, but that doesn’t change the fact that many Catholics pass it on, I myself was brought up with it, as was my father, his parents, my mother when she entered the Church, my brother when he was going through CCD, and all but a handful of Catholics I know.

It’s being taught, though it’s not a Catholic teaching. Did you think that I was saying that this is “official” Church teaching? I apologize if that’s the impression my post gave.

What do you mean “it was taught, but it is not catholic teaching”.

You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such falsehoods.

You have nothing better to do than to lie about our Faith?

 

[teadough]

Wow, that was like, how many cliches about the Catholic Church can I get in one post! Paganism, being all about money, man-made institution! Not to mention this guy is a 29 year old thats been recieving communion for 30 years!

Dear oh dear!

:doh2:

 

[latinmasslover]

What do you mean “it was taught, but it is not catholic teaching”.

You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading such falsehoods.

You have nothing better to do than to lie about our Faith?

How old are you? Your statement shouts “hey, I know nothing!” You are saying that every priest in the whole entire world teaches the Catholic Faith whole and entire. That is an ignorant and foolish statement. Read my post and respond to what I said, not what you wish I had said. Good grief!