Loving Mary...

[AgnosTheist]

I made the statement that Catholics and Muslims love Mary more than Protestants do. For this, I was called presumtuous.

Muslims love Mary more than Protestants do? That is indeed preposterous!!!

Please show your assertion works in reality. Pages in the koran doesnt prove anything. On the contrary Protestants lovingly portray Mary every Christmas! What do muslims actually do in reverence for her??? I say actions speak louder than words!!!

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

Muslims love Mary more than Protestants do? That is indeed preposterous!!!

Please show your assertion works in reality. Pages in the koran doesnt prove anything. On the contrary Protestants lovingly portray Mary every Christmas! What do muslims actually do in reverence for her??? I say actions speak louder than words!!!

I’ve heard that Muslims visit the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima is good numbers. They find it inspirational for their spirituality. (Sorry, I’ve lost my Web links.) I wonder how many Protestants visit the shrine.

Also, in Austrlalia (Melbourne and Perth), there are Islamic Mosques named after Mary. I wonder how many Protestants name their place of prayer after Mary.

 

[AgnosTheist]

I’ve heard that Muslims visit the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima is good numbers. They find it inspirational for their spirituality. (Sorry, I’ve lost my Web links.) I wonder how many Protestants visit the shrine.

assuming what you heard was true, such muslims are extremely rare. and for those few muslims, how many visits in their entire lifetime?

Protestants on the other hand, its quite common to see them pay tribute to Mary every christmas.

Also, in Austrlalia (Melbourne and Perth), there are Islamic Mosques named after Mary.

Even if that was true, its obviously for political reasons. Youll be quite gullible to believe that as evidence for devotion. Show me a Mosque in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan that is named after Mary.

 

[2ndGen]

Muslims love Mary more than Protestants do? That is indeed preposterous!!!

Please show your assertion works in reality. Pages in the koran doesnt prove anything. On the contrary Protestants lovingly portray Mary every Christmas! What do muslims actually do in reverence for her??? I say actions speak louder than words!!!

Well, read the thread from beginning to end, then see some of the videos I posted.

They absolutely LOVE Mary.

They don’t just use her for Christmas.

They praise and revere her (something most Protestants refuse to do).

I hope you learn that this is true.

youtube.com/watch?v=QKduGRf-xF0

youtube.com/watch?v=YWHLlZF2cVc

youtube.com/watch?v=4eqCPOszM1g

youtube.com/watch?v=xVECJe6Ejrw

youtube.com/watch?v=iivV8s5PVxk

There’s so much more, but I think that’s enough to prove my point.

 

[2ndGen]

I’ve heard that Muslims visit the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima is good numbers. They find it inspirational for their spirituality. (Sorry, I’ve lost my Web links.) I wonder how many Protestants visit the shrine.

Also, in Austrlalia (Melbourne and Perth), there are Islamic Mosques named after Mary. I wonder how many Protestants name their place of prayer after Mary.

Fatima, or more accurately “Fa Tima” is actually an Arabic name…it was named after a beloved Muslim Princess.

Here’s something on it:

youtube.com/watch?v=3_VOt7VsAK4

 

[rpp]

I’ve heard that Muslims visit the shrine of Our Lady of Fatima is good numbers. They find it inspirational for their spirituality. (Sorry, I’ve lost my Web links.) I wonder how many Protestants visit the shrine.

Also, in Austrlalia (Melbourne and Perth), there are Islamic Mosques named after Mary. I wonder how many Protestants name their place of prayer after Mary.

assuming what you heard was true, such muslims are extremely rare. and for those few muslims, how many visits in their entire lifetime?

Protestants on the other hand, its quite common to see them pay tribute to Mary every christmas.

Even if that was true, its obviously for political reasons. Youll be quite gullible to believe that as evidence for devotion. Show me a Mosque in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan that is named after Mary.

Actually, Charlie is correct, Muslims do have a devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Remember that Muslims consider Jesus to be a great prophet.

ewtn.com/library/mary/olislam.htm
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0607019.htm
crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/mary-worship.htm

Melborne Mosque named for Blessed Virgin Mary

In my very quick search, I could find no mosques in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan named for the Blessed Virgin Mary. However, there are Muslim shrines to her in both countries.

 

[2ndGen]

assuming what you heard was true, such muslims are extremely rare. and for those few muslims, how many visits in their entire lifetime?

Protestants on the other hand, its quite common to see them pay tribute to Mary every christmas.

Even if that was true, its obviously for political reasons. Youll be quite gullible to believe that as evidence for devotion. Show me a Mosque in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan that is named after Mary.

Well, that proves nothing (a mosque named after Mary in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia). No mosques (until now) have ever been named after women and who’s the first woman they chose? The Virgin Mary.

Now, how many Protestants revere and honor Mary and don’t treat her like The Nativity Scene (taking her out only for Christmas and then putting her away for the rest of the year until they need her again the following Christmas)?

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and was Immaculately Conceived. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

That’s why when they get to heaven, Jesus will have a special affinity for those that love and revere and honor His mother.

“Us”.

 

[AgnosTheist]

They absolutely LOVE Mary.

youtube.com/watch?v=QKduGRf-xF0

tsk, tsk, tsk. please oh please, watch the video yourself. look out for these statements:

“incrasing scrutinty since the terrorist attack”

“one mosque took the interfaith message to heart”

“the only mosque with a woman in its board”

“a unique mosque in australia”

“the name raised eyebrows in the muslim world”

har har har you are using one out of the million mosques out there to argue that muslims revere mary. you are preposterous. you are playing well into the hands of muslim propagandists. its a moslem tactic to show similarities in order to attract catholics into accepting islam.

preposterous.

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and was Immaculately Conceived. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and the mother of a PLAIN PROPHET. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

Nay, protestants believe that Mary was the Mother of the Savior. Gods human incarnation.

 

[AgnosTheist]

They absolutely LOVE Mary.

youtube.com/watch?v=QKduGRf-xF0

tsk, tsk, tsk. please oh please, watch the video yourself. look out for these statements:

“incrasing scrutinty since the terrorist attack”

“one mosque took the interfaith message to heart”

“the only mosque with a woman in its board”

“a unique mosque in australia”

“the name raised eyebrows in the muslim world”

har har har you are using one out of the million mosques out there to argue that muslims revere mary. you are preposterous. you are playing well into the hands of muslim propagandists. its a moslem tactic to show similarities in order to attract catholics into accepting islam.

preposterous.

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and was Immaculately Conceived. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and the mother of a PLAIN PROPHET. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

Nay, protestants believe that Mary was the Mother of the Savior. Gods human incarnation.

 

[AgnosTheist]

No mosques (until now) have ever been named after women and who’s the first woman they chose? The Virgin Mary.

that proves that only a few dozen muslims actually did something in Mary’s name. Compare that to the scores of millions of protestants who take Mary seriously every christmas.

Now, how many Protestants revere and honor Mary and don’t treat her like The Nativity Scene (taking her out only for Christmas and then putting her away for the rest of the year until they need her again the following Christmas)?

at least its something consistent. that shows a lot!

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and was Immaculately Conceived. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

Muslims believe she was a Perpetual Virgin and the mother of a PLAIN PROPHET. Do Protestants?

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

Nay, protestants believe that Mary was the Mother of the Savior. Gods human incarnation.

That’s why when they get to heaven, Jesus will have a special affinity for those that love and revere and honor His mother.

Jesus will have a special affinity for muslims who insists that Jesus ran away from the cross??? You are preposterous har har har!

You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[bengal_fan]

Would the pure and perfect God choose sin, which He hates, to carry His Covenant to us?

He wouldn’t choose sin, He would choose sinners. in fact, that is all He chose throughout the entire OT and the entire NT (except for Mary which is what the catholic church teaches). the real question would be, “why all of a sudden is God choosing, looking for, gifting in such a unique way, a person completely different than all the other people He has chosen throughout history?”

Paul even makes it clear that God chooses the weak, the foolish, the things that are rejected to accomplish His purpose.

His covenant came from adam (sinner), noah (sinner), abraham (sinner), david (sinner).

to break the cycle, He (the only one without sin) had to come and establish His covenant with the world. all the people He has chosen have been sinners, which goes to show His power all the more than if they had all been perfect.

 

[po18guy]

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

I’ve always heard of naysayers. Now I know who they are! The things you say Nay to, and the things you say Yay to?!?!?

 

[rpp]

Nay. Nay I say. Nay.

I’ve always heard of naysayers. Now I know who they are! The things you say Nay to, and the things you say Yay to?!?!?

Ha! That is cute!



(All meant in good fun, Agnos. )

 

[2ndGen]

“the only mosque with a woman in its board”

 

[2ndGen]

that proves that only a few dozen muslims actually did something in Mary’s name. Compare that to the scores of millions of protestants who take Mary seriously every christmas.

 

[2ndGen]

He wouldn’t choose sin, He would choose sinners. in fact, that is all He chose throughout the entire OT and the entire NT (except for Mary which is what the catholic church teaches). the real question would be, “why all of a sudden is God choosing, looking for, gifting in such a unique way, a person completely different than all the other people He has chosen throughout history?”

Paul even makes it clear that God chooses the weak, the foolish, the things that are rejected to accomplish His purpose.

His covenant came from adam (sinner), noah (sinner), abraham (sinner), david (sinner).

to break the cycle, He (the only one without sin) had to come and establish His covenant with the world. all the people He has chosen have been sinners, which goes to show His power all the more than if they had all been perfect.

He “became” sin.

 

[East_and_West]

Jesus is God.
Mary is his mother.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of God. DUH.

 

[2ndGen]

Now, Agnos…could you answer my questions since I answered yours?

1. How many churches have Protestants named after Mary and if the answer is “none”, then does that mean that Muslims have more churches named after Mary than Protestants?
2. Also, are you a member of the Cavalry Chapel incogneto as well?
3. How many Protestants make pilgrimages to the Our Lady of Fatima Shrine?
4. Why do Protestants honor Mary “once” a year?

 

[rpp]

He “became” sin.

 

[2ndGen]

Jesus is God.
Mary is his mother.
Therefore, Mary is the mother of God. DUH.

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