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Naskor
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I think this is the main reason. This happened with my own parents. They wanted a lot of kids but didn’t get it. They struggled to get me as it is.
It’s not their fault they found love so late in life.
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It’s not their fault they found love so late in life.
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rainereli_rod
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The late age is a big problem. Why ?? Because that is not how things supposed to be , we are playing with nature , and things tend to blow off on the face when that happen. Look China or Japan. Now maybe on us.
People tend to confused about God will and tend to think because they are single is God will or a call to priesthood. no!!
Fr Mike adress it perfectly here, and explain what the God’s will is.
ascensionpresents.com/video/why-does-god-let-bad-things-happen/
Is not God will that we have a decadent education System.
Is not God will that we lived in a satanic society
Is not God will that see us full of debts
or That i get a degree or master or Huge Car , or a PS4 or HBO Now or ceramic floors , actually all that is AGAINST GOD’S WILL.
Let me share you the God will .
**28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed;
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Why people wait for soooo long unnecessary, I there are a LOT 40’s 50’s 60’s man and women single wanted to get marriage!! It’s sad and crazy. I think people need to remember there is something called “Death”.
You may want to see what Fr Ripperger have to said
youtube.com/watch?v=1Wi2b8KNRCw
Remember what happen in the Talent Parable, how many talents do we have ?!!
Matthew 25:14-30
I have see people in my country “2do poorest in America” have more childs than most people on developed countries
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My dear friends Jesus aware us about this times.
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29Look, the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore, and breasts that never nursed.’ 30At that time, ‘They will say to the mountains, “Fall on us,” and to the hills, “Cover us.”’
Just look the beautiful family do you think they care about all the things you have said ?
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/323836-el-dennaoui-family.jpg
shoebat.com/2016/05/19/eastern-europe-needs-to-start-having-children-or-else-it-will-be-taken-over-by-muslim-hordes/
People tend to confused about God will and tend to think because they are single is God will or a call to priesthood. no!!
Fr Mike adress it perfectly here, and explain what the God’s will is.
ascensionpresents.com/video/why-does-god-let-bad-things-happen/
Is not God will that we have a decadent education System.
Is not God will that we lived in a satanic society
Is not God will that see us full of debts
or That i get a degree or master or Huge Car , or a PS4 or HBO Now or ceramic floors , actually all that is AGAINST GOD’S WILL.
Let me share you the God will .
**28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed;
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Why people wait for soooo long unnecessary, I there are a LOT 40’s 50’s 60’s man and women single wanted to get marriage!! It’s sad and crazy. I think people need to remember there is something called “Death”.
You may want to see what Fr Ripperger have to said
youtube.com/watch?v=1Wi2b8KNRCw
Remember what happen in the Talent Parable, how many talents do we have ?!!
Matthew 25:14-30
I have see people in my country “2do poorest in America” have more childs than most people on developed countries
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
My dear friends Jesus aware us about this times.
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29Look, the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore, and breasts that never nursed.’ 30At that time, ‘They will say to the mountains, “Fall on us,” and to the hills, “Cover us.”’
Just look the beautiful family do you think they care about all the things you have said ?
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/323836-el-dennaoui-family.jpg
shoebat.com/2016/05/19/eastern-europe-needs-to-start-having-children-or-else-it-will-be-taken-over-by-muslim-hordes/
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rainereli_rod
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shoebat.com/2016/05/19/eastern-europe-needs-to-start-having-children-or-else-it-will-be-taken-over-by-muslim-hordes/
Matthew 25:14-30
‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/323836-el-dennaoui-family.jpg
Matthew 25:14-30
‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/323836-el-dennaoui-family.jpg
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pensmama87
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I think part of the reason people may be getting defensive is that you’re preaching to the choir, for the most part. Many of us are aware of the demographics problems you’re saying, we know about secularism, we are working hard to discern Christ’s will for our lives. So when this kind of thing gets posted in a thread on a forum mostly populated by practicing Catholics, it feels like “why are YOU not thinking about these things?” Well, we are, even though we have many people in our social circles who are not.
So I’m not sure what your purpose is here. Good ole CAFers know this stuff. Those of us who are married are, for the most part, having more children than the average, and those that aren’t often really want to but cannot due to infertility or extenuating circumstances that would need to be relieved first. Posts like this can be intensely painful for them.
If you’re having a kind of awakening over this issue that’s great, but use that zeal to examine your own heart and make changes in your own life. If I remember rightly, you are not married and don’t have a potential spouse in your life. How about working on that?
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jlc2k2
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+1
And I would add that you can’t always see a family’s size just by taking a picture or counting the number of heads on earth. And I am FAR from the only Catholic or Christian with more children in heaven than on earth.
PS - I married at 23 and am 32 now. I did get an education before starting my family but that is not the reason for my fertility issues. But you know what that education does mean? It means I can afford the health insurance and testing to find the issue and actually have more kids on earth (hopefully).
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Sarcelle
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People get married late for a number of reasons. It’s not like all of us reach the age of eighteen and poof, magically a potential spouse appears.
Not everyone meets their spouse at eighteen.
Instead of blaming single Catholics for the lack of children, why don’t we start encouraging married Catholics to be open to life and to avoid artificial birth control?
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Xantippe
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Yes.
Also, even in developing countries, people aren’t having huge families right now.
Google tells me that El Salvador has a TFR (expected number of children per woman) of 2.21. Mexico is 2.22. Guatemala has 3.84, but that’s very high these days. Even Islamic Iran’s is 1.92 and Saudi Arabia is 2.7, with 4.09 in Iraq and 4.21 in Yemen.
These are not huge numbers.
I was looking here and the distinguishing feature of very high fertility countries (5+ children per woman) is that except for Afghanistan, they are all in Africa.
cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
Not going to do the homework right now, but the very high fertility countries overlap pretty heavily with the very high child mortality countries. Here’s a list for anybody who wishes to figure it out:
cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
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ThePCWife
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The Africa numbers are also rural/urban divide. In the cities the TFR is like 2, but out in the country it’s still 6/7/8.
There’s also the ethnic conflict factor. When groups are in heavy conflict, they will pop out babies faster to fight the enemy. The Boers were having 12 and 15 kids per woman when they fought and took over South Africa. It’s no different now with the ethnic groups fighting each other having (often) different religions instead of different skin colors.
I’d also note that heavily Catholic (and poor) Eastern Europe isn’t exactly bursting with fertility, and they aren’t remotely well-off by American or even Western European standards.
There’s also the ethnic conflict factor. When groups are in heavy conflict, they will pop out babies faster to fight the enemy. The Boers were having 12 and 15 kids per woman when they fought and took over South Africa. It’s no different now with the ethnic groups fighting each other having (often) different religions instead of different skin colors.
I’d also note that heavily Catholic (and poor) Eastern Europe isn’t exactly bursting with fertility, and they aren’t remotely well-off by American or even Western European standards.
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Xantippe
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rainereli_rod,
Come to think of it, your use of this verse is odd:
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29Look, the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore, and breasts that never nursed.’ 30At that time, ‘They will say to the mountains, “Fall on us,” and to the hills, “Cover us.””
That’s not a verse encouraging childbearing–it’s talking about people living in such hard times that barenness is going to be seen as a blessing.
Come to think of it, your use of this verse is odd:
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29Look, the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore, and breasts that never nursed.’ 30At that time, ‘They will say to the mountains, “Fall on us,” and to the hills, “Cover us.””
That’s not a verse encouraging childbearing–it’s talking about people living in such hard times that barenness is going to be seen as a blessing.
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Mrs_V
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I think the idea of what a ‘big’ family is has changed. When my dad was young a ‘big’ family was 5 or more children. Now it seems that anything over 2 is considered large. My family gets comments all the time.
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Xantippe
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I think it’s locally specific.
In my area and social group, I know lots of families with four children. So I wouldn’t really consider a family “big” in our area until they had a fifth child.
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Mrs_V
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I’m sure you’re right. We live in North Texas. My father grew up in Missouri.
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bitterhope
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We live in days and times when many women (and men) are purposely sterilizing themselves even before they have any children. They see barrenness as a (blessing?) very good thing. Recently many older Christian women have been commenting that they are encouraging their children and grandchildren to not have any (or at least anymore) children due to the state of society. They see it as not decent to bring children into this world anymore. There was also at least one poster here on CAF who seemed to at least partially share this view as well and started a thread on it. Many secular people are seeing children as either accessories to be added only in small numbers when they conveniently complete a look they desire, or annoyances to be avoided at all costs. They see the trouble and no good that comes from them. I have admitted several times that I wasted several years of my life wishing I was barren or at least subfertile. I would have gotten an IUD or my tubes tied if the Church allowed for it, and considered quite strongly going on and doing it anyway. This verse is actually very relevant and a big part of what brought about a change of heart in me. I was at the stations of the cross like many times in my life before, but that year (2004) it hit me like a ton of bricks. I was among those people saying blessed are the barren. And it was offensive to my sister who actually is barren.
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Xantippe
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We’re also in TX.
I think the local average is probably closer to 2 kids, but our specific social circles (school, church, work colleagues) have a lot of families with 4.
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ShrodingersCat
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That’s crazy! I live in Ireland, but I’ve had wisdom teeth out in a private (not public) hospital and my excess (before insurance kicked in) was 125 euro. Having an ovarian cyst removed in one of the top private hospitals in the country, including an overnight, was also 125 euro. MRI on both knees in a private hospital was either free or 50 euro, can’t remember.
I guess it goes to show how the cost of raising children is hugely different from country to country. I remember a thread recently where a woman was discussing not being able to afford the cost of pregnancy / childbirth; it made me sad…
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Xantippe
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- Childlessness is not a social norm nationally in the US. I’m sure there are specific urban locations where it wouldn’t be seen as weird, but childless people in the US normally take huge amounts of flak, which causes a great deal of suffering to the infertile. Parents of just one also face a lot of pressure (no matter what the issues involved) because only children are thought to be selfish and spoiled–poor sad friendless loners who don’t know how to play with other children. It’s a very powerful stereotype.
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about this quote from your post: “Recently many older Christian women have been commenting that they are encouraging their children and grandchildren to not have any (or at least anymore) children due to the state of society.”
- I feel like this is a very uncharitable way to look at it: “Many secular people are seeing children as either accessories to be added only in small numbers when they conveniently complete a look they desire, or annoyances to be avoided at all costs,” especially the part I bolded.
- Again, that’s a total misapplication of the “blessed are the barren” verse.
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Xantippe
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Come to think of it, “barren” in the Bible means a woman with NO children at all, so it’s weird to apply that term to small families.
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bitterhope
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Yes. Many have. It’s been steadily increasing since 9/11, and with the allowance of gay marriage and now the transgender bathroom laws, more and more Christian (and some Catholic) people have been encouraging “not bringing children into this world.” There have even been these comments here on CAF.There’s a very strong US norm of two children.
- Childlessness is not a social norm nationally in the US. I’m sure there are specific urban locations where it wouldn’t be seen as weird, but childless people in the US normally take huge amounts of flak, which causes a great deal of suffering to the infertile. Parents of just one also face a lot of pressure (no matter what the issues involved) because only children are thought to be selfish and spoiled–poor sad friendless loners who don’t know how to play with other children. It’s a very powerful stereotype.
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Really? “Many” older Christian women? **
How about, “a major multi-decade responsibility that they do not yet feel prepared to undertake or that they don’t feel confident that they will execute properly”?
- I feel like this is a very uncharitable way to look at it: “Many secular people are seeing children as either accessories to be added only in small numbers when they conveniently complete a look they desire, or annoyances to be avoided at all costs,” especially the part I bolded.
- Again, that’s a total misapplication of the “blessed are the barren” verse.
I’m obviously pregnant at the moment. These good Christian people have no hesitation to let me know how sad they feel for any child being born these days and how the hope “Jesus comes back soon to save us.”
There are more and more people never giving birth due to choice each year. So the people having kids may be having 2+, but fewer women are having any.
time.com/3774620/more-women-not-having-kids/
I won’t link to any of the many child free living links because most are horribly offensive, but anyone that wants can do do themselves.
I live reasonably close to Nashville where only 28% of households have children under age 18. People there aren’t afraid to tell you why they think no one should be giving birth. They don’t sugar coat their feelings in children in general either. And Nashvilke isn’t even in the top 10 of “child free” areas in the US.
gsmar.com/US/Neighborhood/TN/Nashville-Demographics.html
If your opinion is that it’s a misapplication, that’s fine. But I’m not the only person who believes that it fits.
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bitterhope
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It was also used for Hannah. She went on to have several children. Elizabeth, Sarah and Rachel were also called barren.
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AClaire11
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But it was used before they had children and not after, right?
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