Luther-Bashing is Anti-Catholic

[JonNC]

He inspired the rabid hatred that was displayed by early Lutherans as they conducted violence against Catholics in Germany.

And the Catholics never committed a bit of violence?
Please, the historical record regarding violence does not smile on Catholics or Lutherans.
Luther’s anti-Judaism is matched by the anti-Judaism of some Catholics. It was opposed in that era by allies of Luther and other Catholics.

The issue is not about either of these, But about doctrine.

 

[josh987654321]

Neither have I.

If you follow Martin Luther than you have.

God Bless

Thank you for reading.

 

[josh987654321]

I am not responsible for Anglicans that do, just as you are not responsible for Catholics that do.

Then may I ask what particular issue is holding you back from letting go of Martin Luther and converting home to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?

p.s. Any ‘Catholic’ that does so is a heretic. There are no female Priests in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

God Bless

Thank you for reading.

 

[josh987654321]

The issue is not about either of these, But about doctrine.

I agree.

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[JonNC]

I follow Christ

 

[josh987654321]

I follow Christ

So where does Martin Luther fit into it? Did you celebrate his 500th anniversary?

Thank you for reading.

God Bless

 

[JonNC]

Then may I ask what particular issue is holding you back from letting go of Martin Luther and converting home to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?

I’m Anglican, and a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
But to answer the question: universal jurisdiction.

 

[josh987654321]

I’m Anglican, and a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

‘sigh’ so I have to go back to calling myself a ‘Roman Catholic’ to lessen confusion? If you’re Anglican you’re not Catholic unfortunately. King Henry set that one up over his rejection of the indissolubility of marriage.

God Bless

Thank you for reading.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

I follow Christ

So where does Martin Luther fit into it? Did you celebrate his 500th anniversary?

Thank you for reading.

God Bless

Not really. I’m Anglican now

 

[josh987654321]

Not really. I’m Anglican now

Oh okay, so you don’t really follow Martin Luther? So whether we come to agreement in this thread about Luther or not doesn’t really help, instead we should probably be talking about King Henry and St Thomas Moore?

God Bless

Thank you for reading.

 

[JonNC]

sigh’ so I have to go back to calling myself a ‘Roman Catholic’ to lessen confusion? If you’re Anglican you’re not Catholic unfortunately. King Henry set that one up over his rejection of the indissolubility of marriage.

Nope. You and I both are members of His OHCA Church.
His Church is not only and exclusively in communion with the pope.

 

[JonNC]

Not really. I’m Anglican now

Oh okay, so you don’t really follow Martin Luther? So whether we come to agreement in this thread about Luther or not doesn’t really help, instead we should probably be talking about King Henry and St Thomas Moore?

I think it important that we all come to an agreement that it is wrong to bash a historical figure dishonesty, as some have done, by quoting out of context, using partial quotes, etc.

 

[StarMapp]

Who is bashing Luther? If there is bashing, it is at the front door of the Church.

Excommunication is an approved form of persuasion that is self limiting and quite charitable. At any time those excommed can repent and return to the community. The olive branch was extended to Luther as well. We all make choices, and once out of the protective communal sphere, the draws to human weaknesses took anchor. Many like him such has Mohammed,Waco,Karesh,Jones and Henry could not give up the enticements of social popularity, and the draw of thousands pressured to reject Christian principles finally found an outlet in Luther that would substantiate the distorted concepts they were tempted with. The pressures outside of the Church were too enticing, and he gave them the changes that he thought were needed.

The prince of this world never satiated, other fall out sects demanded their own changes from him and so the seed for schism cultivated fields of errors in the likes of other man made protestant religions.

The sequence of errors are chronicled in NewAdvent. So no, there is nothing that the Church actioned that presented a closed door to him.

If Luther did qualify, I can think of one devout and holy Cardinal that would certainly be the first candidate for a commemorative stamp.

BTW: Catholics know that it is not spiritually healthy to delve on judicial decisions the Church has finally decided on.

 

[JonNC]

Many like him such has Mohammed,Waco,Karesh,Jones and Henry

See? Now this is bashing. This is like Jack Chick without the cartoons.

 

[GKMotley]

Decree of nullity. Very common at the time.

 

[PickyPicky]

Very common now, too, I understand.

 

[GKMotley]

Without knowing full contemporary details, yes. Mutatis mutandis, to be sure.

And, hello.

 

[TertiumQuid]

Many like him such has Mohammed,Waco,Karesh,Jones and Henry could not give up the enticements of social popularity, and the draw of thousands pressured to reject Christian principles finally found an outlet in Luther that would substantiate the distorted concepts they were tempted with. The pressures outside of the Church were too enticing, and he gave them the changes that he thought were needed.

“Social popularity”? Now there’s a unique interpretation of Luther and the Reformation.

 

[Vonsalza]

StarMapp:

Many like him such has Mohammed,Waco,Karesh,Jones and Henry could not give up the enticements of social popularity, and the draw of thousands pressured to reject Christian principles finally found an outlet in Luther that would substantiate the distorted concepts they were tempted with. The pressures outside of the Church were too enticing, and he gave them the changes that he thought were needed.

“Social popularity”? Now there’s a unique interpretation of Luther and the Reformation.

I think what’s being alluded to is megalomania.

 

[Brendan]

Source, please?

And the pope could overturn either, I suppose.

An excommunication ends with the death of the excommunicant, so removing it becomes an non-issue. Nor could a Pope state that the excommunication never happened, as it is an historical truth.

In regards to the charge of heresy, a Pope COULD overturn that, but it would require new evidence that Luther did not, in fact, deny any truth taught as definitive by the Church. That would be VERY difficult to prove.