Lying RINO John McCain Says He Cannot Support Latest Obamacare Repeal Bill – But

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Until you are in pain and can’t get treatment.

Then again, we’ve all got to make sacrifices for the utopia.

Enjoy!
 
Don’t mind him. That’s his new triumph card by the power of Grayskull. Sorry, I don’t have a lightning meme for visual effects. And a more appropriate avatar would be Cringer.
 
I agree that a third party is needed. I walked away from the Republican party when they let that liberal narcissist bully his way to the nomination.
 
I would adore a European style parliament. Er - European in the sense of a House of Parliament method, not “European politics”. I think we’d get more local representation and more parties out of it, to prevent these all-or-nothing exchanges between our two monoliths.
 
I don’t know everything in this latest legislative effort, but to the extent it rids this country of obamacare (Rand Paul says it doesn’t) I’m for it.

It has been eight years now since any American could choose his own healthcare plan. It has been eight years since one could just buy a “catastrophic” plan. It has been eight years since one could decline coverage for birth control, abortifacients, alcohol or drug treatment. It has been eight years since a 55 year old woman could decline pregnancy coverage.

It has been eight years now that a family of four making over $80,000 could reasonably afford health insurance.

It has been eight years now that a family is actually punished if its teenage members earn money to help the family or pay for their own educations.

And it has been eight years since most small businesses could afford to provide their workers with health insurance.

If it was up to me, every vestige of Obamacare would be repealed and congress would start over. But any port in a storm, and that includes what the Repubs now are promoting.
 
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I don’t know everything in this latest legislative effort, but to the extent it rids this country of obamacare (Rand Paul says it doesn’t) I’m for it.

It has been eight years now since any American could choose his own healthcare plan. It has been eight years since one could just buy a “catastrophic” plan. It has been eight years since one could decline coverage for birth control, abortifacients, alcohol or drug treatment. It has been eight years since a 55 year old woman could decline pregnancy coverage.

It has been eight years now that a family of four making over $80,000 could reasonably afford health insurance.

It has been eight years now that a family is actually punished if its teenage members earn money to help the family or pay for their own educations.

And it has been eight years since most small businesses could afford to provide their workers with health insurance.

If it was up to me, every vestige of Obamacare would be repealed and congress would start over. But any port in a storm, and that includes what the Repubs now are promoting.
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And yet, despite all the apparent unpopularity of the ACA, a significant part of the reason the Republicans are unable to push through even amendments to the legislation is simply because a growing majority of Americans don’t want key parts of the ACA revoked, and many certainly don’t want to see Medicare gutted. What seems to have happened, as a number of pundits, even Conservative pundits predicted, is that one way or the other Obamacare was going to become part of the national fabric, and that most basic principle of entitlements, that once you’ve put them in place, you can never remove them, has come to pass.

Let’s follow your logic all the way. Right now the Democrats, or at least a fairly large portion of them, are beginning to line up behind some form of single payer. Now if the Republicans do manage to gut the ACA and begin the process of radically downsizing Medicare (even if that simply means allowing funding to fall below inflation thresholds), and the Democrats march in with a single payer plan, the Republicans may have some serious issues in 2018 and 2020. They clearly know it, as new versions of this bill magically find more money for Alaska and Maine, in the hopes of gaining the votes they need. But even with that, with the likes of Cruz and Paul clearly unhappy with even this bill, it’s no guarantee.

In reality, I think the Republicans would just like to have the whole thing go away. McConnell clearly has no appetite to take this on again, but they’re stuck having to defend to an angry base, may of which, ironically, could be harmed by the ACA’s demise, why they didn’t get rid of Obamacare.
 
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And yet, despite all the apparent unpopularity of the ACA, a significant part of the reason the Republicans are unable to push through even amendments to the legislation is simply because a growing majority of Americans don’t want key parts of the ACA revoked, and many certainly don’t want to see Medicare gutted. What seems to have happened, as a number of pundits, even Conservative pundits predicted, is that one way or the other Obamacare was going to become part of the national fabric, and that most basic principle of entitlements, that once you’ve put them in place, you can never remove them, has come to pass.

Let’s follow your logic all the way. Right now the Democrats, or at least a fairly large portion of them, are beginning to line up behind some form of single payer. Now if the Republicans do manage to gut the ACA and begin the process of radically downsizing Medicare (even if that simply means allowing funding to fall below inflation thresholds), and the Democrats march in with a single payer plan, the Republicans may have some serious issues in 2018 and 2020. They clearly know it, as new versions of this bill magically find more money for Alaska and Maine, in the hopes of gaining the votes they need. But even with that, with the likes of Cruz and Paul clearly unhappy with even this bill, it’s no guarantee.

In reality, I think the Republicans would just like to have the whole thing go away. McConnell clearly has no appetite to take this on again, but they’re stuck having to defend to an angry base, may of which, ironically, could be harmed by the ACA’s demise, why they didn’t get rid of Obamacare.
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I don’t for a moment doubt the Repubs are worried about all kinds of potential hazards, including the fact that Obamacare was intended to create a constituency, and did.

And we might, indeed, end up with “single payer”, as that seems to have been Obama’s intent all along, together with Pelosi’s and a majority of House Dems. The one thing a middle class person can hope for in that event would be dropping the mandates so there could be a “two tier” system of Medicaid (in effect) for some and the private market for others, as is the reality in much of Europe.

But almost no matter what, Obamacare’s passage will guarantee a lot of “crowding out” in the budget. The Dem leaders desire to create a socialist state that’s strong on taxes but weak on defense (like most of Europe) is going to be very hard to avoid.

The middle class should be very concerned because no matter what anybody says, they’re going to pay for any government entitlement program.
 
Maybe he’s smart enough to see through the BS and that these so called “better” bills are bad for all Americans and especially his own constituents. Are for lying…I don’t see it at all. the man has more integrity in his pinkie than the clown in the White House and his Bannon white supremacist buddies.

Why do Americans pay 3 times as much for the same healthcare as every other 1st world nation? They do okay and they haven’t collapsed from it while America is the worst debtor nation in the world.

Lying? Trump just stated in Huntsville last week that Russia didn’t help him when in fact there is ever mounting evidence that his campaign (which he ran) did indeed seek to knowingly collude to gain their help. He’s lied so much that his supporters can’t rationally defend him anymore…all they do is yell and talk smack. Worst excuse for a president ever.
 
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Unless we go back to a truly free market and get the federal government out of the way, then more and more people will suffer regardless of who is in charge.

The republicans already have serious issues for 2018, just not for the reasons you think.

What should be scary though is that some Americans don’t care who’s running the show as long as they get their check in the mail or make sure their preferred groups don’t have hurt feelings on Facebook and Twitter.

I guess that means they’d be okay if a foreign power took over the land, just as long as they got their goody bag.
 
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I guess my tin foil isn’t picking up the right bozo rays from Russia.

Not that it has anything to do with healthcare and not someone in your demographic would ever be rewarded by the left for trashing Trump.
 
I don’t want reward, I want justice and the America that our founding fathers envisioned with a great nation that takes care of its people and not a divisive and racist oligarch who more mirrors the thinking of the Nazis in the mid 1930s than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, and so many others. Look them up on line!

McCain has not lied he has weighed the proposed legislation on its merits and rejected it as anything but an improvement for the nation. The whole repeal and replace concept is the wrong tack to take when it would be far better and more reasonable for the whole nation. If the law is screwed up then it is congress that needs to amend it and make it better.

McCain is an honorable man who served his country with honor and courage and paid the price of 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war while DJT spent the war skirt chasing and then had the gall to assert that McCain wasn’t a hero. He said “He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” which is trash because he’s a hero because he served and was captured after being shot down in the course of his honorable service. Trump never served and has no room to make any such statements about Senator McCain, who really should be president now instead of him.

So calling McCain a liar is disingenuous to say the least. McCain has true American integrity while Trump has none at all.
 
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McCain has not lied he has weighed the proposed legislation on its merits and rejected it as anything but an improvement for the nation. The whole repeal and replace concept is the wrong tack to take when it would be far better and more reasonable for the whole nation. If the law is screwed up then it is congress that needs to amend it and make it better.
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I guess my biggest problem with repeal and replace is the concept that America can flop around like a fish out of water when it comes to its laws, switching back and forth every two to four years. That is the way to become an irrelevant banana republic (not the clothing store). Trump supporters are fond of reminding us that he won and we need to get over it. I agree. However the flip side to that is Obama also won and we need to get over that. Healthcare was one of his major goals and he won. Period. So fix what the current Congress deems fixing and cut out this repeal and replace garbage. We cannot throw out our law books and bring in another set every two years.
 
Trump is not a racist, but I know of many liberals who act that way.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Trump is not a racist, but I know of many liberals who act that way.
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Trump may not be a racist, but he is pretty darned useless as a President. Considering that previous health care reform initiatives have had intimate involvement from the Administrations of the time, and that Trump has basically never done anything to further any of the Republican initiatives, and not even given even a vague outline of what he’d like to see, Trump and his supporters can hardly complain when Republican lawmakers flounder and fight among themselves.

Of course, the real problem here is that Trump has very little actual political capital, so he isn’t like most previous Administrations early in their terms, who did have the influence and clout to smack heads. Even with that, it took Obama two years of compromise and head knocking to get his own party to pass the ACA, so the idea that Trump, who doesn’t even seem to have an overt, or even hidden health care agenda, could somehow manage to push through repeal and replace in a matter of months clearly was patently absurd.

Trump has not lead to some new age of conservatism, he’s literally breaking the GOP a part, and the Democrats are slowly beginning to swing towards some sort of single payer system, so in fact Trump is doing worse than dividing Republicans, he’s uniting Democrats.
 
I have mixed thoughts on Trump’s “usefulness”. There’s not a lot to hit him on from a conservative perspective (discounting SOME of the professional mannerism). Even him working with Democrats could be seen as a sheer failure of the GOP Congress, which is a deer in the headlights every time they get power.

Trump has done a lot—over a million new jobs, stock market, billions in foreign investment and Gorsuch. But what he is not doing is the groundwork to get the healthcare going. Shaprio notes he should be threatening to primary folks like Susan Collins and Obama, Pelosi and Reid did work hard to barely get the votes to pass O-care. It could also be, as Shapiro notes, that the republicans haven’t exactly offered a great alternative and Trump probably knows it.

I’m not sure who thought Trump would lead a new age of conservatism. A lot of conservatives voted for him because he wasn’t Hillary, just as Hillary supporters in large numbers voted for her because she wasn’t Trump. Most commentators who are conservative knew what he was about and saw what he was saying. The newer, idealistic supporters are always the most disappointed because it never quite goes how you think. The same thing happened with Obama in 2008.

I don’t think you can pin dividing republicans on Trump if you mean Congress. That’s more about representatives keen on the fact that their districts think healthcare to some degree comes from the fed, which is absurd and even dangerous. But, there are those who will stand on principle. As far as uniting Democrats, yes, he is inadvertently doing that and the GOP will feel it in 2018. But the Democrats are also killing themselves over identity politics, yet the GOP Congress, which this election will be about, is in embarrassing disarray.

By any traditional measure, Trump is the kind of leader who should be so bruised he can’t even consider running again in 2020, but with all of these shenanigans by the elites from foreign leaders to CEOS to tech giants to athletes to the media to actors to politicians in all three major parties----he is on pace to re-elected and with some minor adjustments could do it in a landslide. The room and the numbers are there. And at the end of the day, the Democrats and possibly the GOP and independents are going to have to find someone to run against him. And a lot of the others who could feasibly do it have even lower respect and approval among the people than he does.
 
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