Machine gun fire into Las Vegas crowd at Route 91 music Festival

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Ridgerunner said:
It’s foolish to assume one’s safety, and it’s vain to tell others they’re safe to make a political point when they aren’t necessarily so.
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That’s not what I’m doing. You don’t know me, you don’t know where I’ve lived or how I grew up or where I’ve been or what I’ve been through. I’ve earned my right to be anti-gun. I’ve had guns pointed at my head more than once in my life. I’ve been there.

Don’t you make a political point from your haven on a farm somewhere and tell the people of the poorer parts of our cities that they have to suffer through gun violence just so you and others can exercise your “freedoms.” It’s always the poor who pay the price. They’d trade your “freedom” in a heartbeat for the peace of knowing their children will come home safe every day. You know that rural ownership of hunting weapons is a very, very different thing from the plague of handguns that has infested the poor neighborhoods of our cities. You know that there’s a price to be paid for your “freedom,” and that you won’t be the one to pay it.
 
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MonteRCMS said:
The AR-15 and its variants IS AN OUTSTANDING WEAPON.

The AR-15 is the perfect woman’s weapon. Very easy to aim. Light. Minimal recoil. Low noise level. Short stock which makes it perfect for home defense and maneuvering around in narrow hallways. Ammunition is inexpensive.

If readers visit You Tube and look up videos of people shooting different kinds of guns, things like 12 gauge shotguns are excellent but the recoil will knock a light person off balance.
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I’m impressed by your incredibly manly knowledge of guns.
 
MonteRCMS said:
The AR-15 is the perfect woman’s weapon. Very easy to aim. Light. Minimal recoil. Low noise level. Short stock
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Monte this is my thread, although I am not having a lot of (name removed by moderator)ut, and really enjoying reading all the comments.

Monte seriously, perfect women’s weapon? 😱 When I was in training I could lift heavier weights and punch out more correct push-ups then men not in training at my level!

It’s not enough just to have a weapon, a person, male or female, must be able to aim right and must not panic in a bad situation. I believe many gun deaths are avoided because , simply of bad aim. And of course a person needs a cool head. Lose your cool in a bad situation, you have already lost the fight. So anyone saying their weapon is for self protection, also needs training in just how to respond, and practice that.
 
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I liked most of your post but I should point out that your case is very much an exception. You were only stronger due to training and the fact that the average Western male is disgustingly unfit. His caveman ancestors would beat him to a pulp, take all his stuff, and drag his woman back to the cave all without breaking a sweat.

Pound for pound, men are stronger than women. This is a simple biological reality with plenty of data to confirm it.
 
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You are wrong, Rose. Don’t you know that a firearm will protect you in any and all dangerous situations? Training, who needs training when you can have a gun strapped to your body or in your purse?

Sort of like the magic wands in Harry Potter books, guns can save you from anything.
 
You would think that feminists would be more in favor of women carrying firearms. If you want an equalizer, that is one of the most effective ones out there.

I say that as someone with very little regard for any sort of feminism.
 
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starshiptrooper said:
You would think that feminists would be more in favor of women carrying firearms. If you want an equalizer, that is one of the most effective ones out there.

I say that as someone with very little regard for any sort of feminism.
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It certainly was the equalizer for the mother of the Sandy Hook murderer as her son shot her dead with her own weapon in her own bed.
 
An unresolved incident with no video does not make a valid point.
 
A firearm is a mechanical device.

Operators need to be trained in the proper and safe use.

It’s part of “well regulated”.

Take lessons.

Practice, practice, practice.
 
Not rocket science.

Every one should know how to protect themselves and their family.

At the very least they should send for a subscription:

www.firearmsnews.com

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www.firearmsnews.com www.firearmsnews.com
 
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Bad stuff happens.

All the time.

Everyone needs to prepare.

You just never know.
 
The Las Vegas music festival provided NO security for their attendees.

Armed guards on the roof … counter snipers … would have helped.

The security guard in the Mandalay Bay hotel was unable to get word back to the hotel security desk.

Or was he?

www.latimes.com

New disclosure shows a casino guard alerted hotel to gunman before Vegas massacre began. So why did it take so long to stop him?

Before the Las Vegas massacre began, a wounded Mandalay Bay hotel security guard called hotel officials to warn them about a gunman on the 32nd floor, an investigator told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday.
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Hotel guests were not required to pass their suitcases full of weapons through the security screening.
 
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Unfortunately, most people don’t do the kind of training or practice that would help them react to a dangerous situation. No running through simulations even once. Sure, some do target practice, but most do not do even that much.

You obviously do not fall into the above cohort, based on your comments.
 
MonteRCMS said:
Bad stuff happens.

All the time.

Everyone needs to prepare.

You just never know.
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Even if we do agree that having teachers armed is a good idea, that does not necessarily extend to the general public. Teachers, and others in a position of authority, can be properly trained and authorized to use guns. Now perhaps you can find a poster of Israeli school children who are carrying their own personal guns to school?

Your comment about armed guards on the roof is similar. It shows people in authority being armed - not the untrained public.
 
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starshiptrooper said:
An unresolved incident with no video does not make a valid point.
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Your link by “gunssavelives” had no video and there was no adjudication. Also, there was a video of that valid gun owner pulling her gun to get that notebook. It has not been adjudicated because it was only a month ago, unlike your older link.

Now it is not a valid point, any more than yours, because both are anecdotal. But statistics are better.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/
This model indicates that for each 1 percentage point increase in the gun ownership proxy, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.
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https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.
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Sites like “Guns Save Lives” have to build on anecdotes. It is all they have. That is why the NRA cannot allow the repeal of the Dickey Amendment to free up research into ways to save more lives. It might hurt gun sales. And, of course, no Republican can ever be seen opposing the NRA. In the end, both the NRA and the politicians that bow to their influence bear as much responsibility for arming evil people as any terrorist arms dealer.
 
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