Machine gun fire into Las Vegas crowd at Route 91 music Festival

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Bump stocks were approved during the Obama administration and were developed to help the disabled. A bump stock allows someone with low hand strength due to injury or degenerative disease to continue to fire a rifle when his disability might otherwise cause him to stop. They’re a real boon to older and physically disabled hunters and sport shooters.
 
If we are going to count government mass murders we have to include Waco. The government killed 76, more than this incident, with its tanks, guns, bombs and fire. Yet people want to leave the state as the only ones having weapons?
 
I don’t think the right to bear arms has to mean we can own dozens of guns, or simi/automatic weapons.

He could not have killed nearly so many people with a pistol or rifle
 
He could not have killed nearly so many people with a pistol or rifle
The weapons apparently were rifles. They were semiautomatic rifles. I do think he could have killed many people with a bolt action rifle given people were clustered together. Charles Whitman killed sixteen and wounded thirty-one with rifles which were not semiautomatic.
 
I don’t think the right to bear arms has to mean we can own dozens of guns, or simi/automatic weapons.

He could not have killed nearly so many people with a pistol or rifle
But he could have killed a lot more by blowing the nearby fuel tanks. Some say he fired into them trying to do that, but had he blown one of them with the ammonium nitrate and tannerite he had, the casualties would have been in the thousands. He planned with a meticulousness that some find remarkable, but his plan did have some serious flaws. Apparently he believed he could leave that scene and go kill people elsewhere with the other materials and weapons he had. Maybe we’ll eventually find out where and how he planned to do it. But indisputably, some of it did not involve guns at all.

Imaginably the ammonium nitrate and tannerite were for the fuel tanks and he planned to blow them after leaving the hotel.
 
My insurer would not pay a nickel toward the damages arising out of a gang war in Chicago. The gang members aren’t supposed to have guns anyway and won’t have insurance. So other than imposing a gift to insurers at the expense of the innocent, what does this insurance do?
If your insurer doesn’t pay out much, then your insurance costs should be cheap.
 
But he could have killed a lot more by blowing the nearby fuel tanks. Some say he fired into them trying to do that, but had he blown one of them with the ammonium nitrate and tannerite he had, the casualties would have been in the thousands. He planned with a meticulousness that some find remarkable, but his plan did have some serious flaws. Apparently he believed he could leave that scene and go kill people elsewhere with the other materials and weapons he had. Maybe we’ll eventually find out where and how he planned to do it. But indisputably, some of it did not involve guns at all.

Imaginably the ammonium nitrate and tannerite were for the fuel tanks and he planned to blow them after leaving the hotel.
You spend an awful lot of effort saying that what didn’t happen could have happened and ignoring what did actually happen.
 
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The guy that shot the Congressman thought he was fighting a tyrannical government and he used a rifle. And I’m not sure why anyone thinks they could stop the US military with anything on this poster anyway.
 
Nobody was trying to take his guns away. In fact they wanted to leave him and his guns alone, give him some more of his money back, give him more discretion on his healthcare choices, and give him a country free of illegals. Hardly tyranny.
 
Nobody was trying to take his guns away. In fact they wanted to leave him and his guns alone, give him some more of his money back, give him more discretion on his healthcare choices, and give him a country free of illegals. Hardly tyranny.
He thought it was tyranny. And he acted in a way consistent with what you would want done based on your poster. After all, who are you planning to use those weapons against in a tyrannical government. So, you might disagree with him that he was fighting a tyranny, but he did act in a way that you would want based on that poster to fight a tyranny, right?
 
Except he was not fighting a tyranny.
In your mind. In my mind, he wasn’t either. But he thought he was. Who gets to decide when the government is tyrannical and needs to be fought by murdering Congressman. Him? Me? You?
 
You spend an awful lot of effort saying that what didn’t happen could have happened and ignoring what did actually happen.
I do not ignore what did happen. I’m only pointing out that it could have been far worse and likely came very close to it. And ignoring the potential for which Paddock was evidently prepared is in no way justified. In fact, it points out that there are very serious vulnerabilities we have in this society and that they are not going to be removed by restricting firearm ownership by honest citizens.
 
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Ridgerunner:
So whose insurance going to pay for a killing in Chicago by an uninsured gang member? You can be certain he won’t have insurance. Or are you, instead, proposing a tax on the gun owners who actually comply with the law?
the whole gun insurance idea is simply to make it more expensive to own a gun to make less people able to afford it.
The whole insurance thing is really a way to administratively ban legal ownership of firearms. No insurance company will open themselves up to the liability of something like the Las Vegas shooting, so nobody will offer insurance, so nobody will be allowed to legally own firearms. It’s a backdoor gun ban.
 
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Paddock was an honest citizen according to the laws in place. Still he was able to carry out the massacre of many. And it is happening more and more, and at an accelerating rate.

But I think gun regulations are just one way to stop this epidemic. We have to combat the moral norms of our society, more importantly.
 
Paddock was an honest citizen according to the laws in place. Still he was able to carry out the massacre of many. And it is happening more and more, and at an accelerating rate.
With the growth of population all crimes have the potential to happen more often. A lot of the mass shootings we’ve experienced are an immigration problem. Others may be a psychiatric drug problem. Why should honest, law abiding Americans have their rights taken away when the solutions to the actual problem aren’t tried?
 
A couple of us raised attention to the fact that insurance companies wouldn’t cover intentional acts of destruction and harm
 
TO SAVE LIVES!!!

It’s about all citizens having equal restrictions because we cannot tell who will use these weapons to kill massive amounts of people.
 
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