Machine gun fire into Las Vegas crowd at Route 91 music Festival

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Other “public venues” have been sued for other things in other circumstances … there is a popular event that has been put out of business … "pumpkin chunkin’ " … compressed air “cannons” that shoot pumpkins … vast distances. One of the cannons “exploded”. A reporter was severely injured.
 
How about a new caption:

Guy 1: But , but …I posted a silly meme

Guy 2: 😴
 
They actually are in my state if they act in self defense. That is pretty important because the gun grabbers other method of promoting disorder is to make good citizens responsible for the bad acts of criminals. I’ve read about in England how victims of burglary were held responsible for the harm that befell the burglars they stopped with force.
 
The easiest solution or resolution to the insurance dilemma is to simply pass a law exempting gun owners from lawsuits.
Because existing gun owners are allowed to be irresponsible with their weapons?
 
Nah, you are just calling it a straw man to discount the argument because you can’t defend your position.

Right. Because a glock is going to stop a tank. This is the most ridiculous argument. But I enjoy seeing it every time there is a discussion on gun control.

Again, a total disregard for my right to life and property. Who exactly do you think is going to pay for the costs of Las Vegas? The taxpayers. And I’m a taxpayer. So you are taking away my right to property for an abstract concept (and one that doesn’t even pass the giggle test) of holding off the US military with what’s in your rifle safe.
You argued that if the second amendment allows for the individual ownership of firearms in case these individuals should be called into the militia means that the only way to read this is that all citizens MUST own firearms or “the entire argument falls apart”. This is interesting position to take because literally nobody defending the amendment has ever argued that the second amendment requires firearms ownership, or that serving in the militia is the only legitimate reason for bearing arms. Ergo, your attack on the position that the militia being drawn from an armed population means either everyone is either required to own firearms or it does not allow for individual ownership at all is a straw man. You have attacked a position that no one made.

Similarly, no one has ever argued that a “glock is going to stop a tank”, or any other such drivel. What such individuals very much can do is give armed resistance over a prolonged period of time and succeed in their political goals by tying up vital resources and making certain territory impossible to govern. There are numerous examples throughout history. The American Revolution is an obviously pertinent one. You can also look to the Irish War of Independence, the Peninsular War of the Napoleonic Wars, the Viet Cong, Mao in China, the Soviet-Afghan war, or any number of former colonies in Africa. Your contention that individuals who own firearms should either be able to go toe to toe with a sophisticated military force or not be able to own firearms at all is yet another straw man.
 
Lastly, your insistence that the right to bear arms infringes on your other rights merely by reason of its existence and codification is just nonsensical. There are plenty of things in this life that affect you many times more than someone owning a firearm, yet you seem enthralled only by them. You insist on labeling firearms ownership as a negative burden on society because some people commit gun violence. But we have a word for gun violence. It is called crime, and all crime is a negative burden on society, or your major concern, the taxpayer. You would seek to punish gun owners as a collective yet apparently see no reason to do so for any other means of violent crime or even accidental death. Perhaps everyone who buys prescription pills should be forced to purchase prescription pill death insurance? Or do teenagers ODing on painkillers not sufficiently place a burden on your property for you to worry about it? Maybe you should have to have a permit to own insect poison and have a quarterly inspection of your storage just in case the neighbor’s 5yr old breaks into your home and feeds it to his sister?
 
You have clearly stated your position to hold all gun owners at least financially responsible for mass murders.
 
You argued that if the second amendment allows for the individual ownership of firearms in case these individuals should be called into the militia means that the only way to read this is that all citizens MUST own firearms or “the entire argument falls apart”. This is interesting position to take because literally nobody defending the amendment has ever argued that the second amendment requires firearms ownership, or that serving in the militia is the only legitimate reason for bearing arms. Ergo, your attack on the position that the militia being drawn from an armed population means either everyone is either required to own firearms or it does not allow for individual ownership at all is a straw man. You have attacked a position that no one made.
No, you made the argument that this requires all people to have firearms. I said that it is silly to think that the average fellow at the local gun range could be used in any meaningful way in a military force.
Similarly, no one has ever argued that a “glock is going to stop a tank”, or any other such drivel. What such individuals very much can do is give armed resistance over a prolonged period of time and succeed in their political goals by tying up vital resources and making certain territory impossible to govern. There are numerous examples throughout history. The American Revolution is an obviously pertinent one. You can also look to the Irish War of Independence, the Peninsular War of the Napoleonic Wars, the Viet Cong, Mao in China, the Soviet-Afghan war, or any number of former colonies in Africa. Your contention that individuals who own firearms should either be able to go toe to toe with a sophisticated military force or not be able to own firearms at all is yet another straw man.
All these arguments are that guns are useful in slowing down a foreign power - but the argument most often made by second amendment advocates is that guns can be used against tyrannical American government, which none of these examples are like. Furthermore, the advancement of military technology is far outpacing that which gun owners have, so I think examples that are even ten or twenty years old are meaningless. Basically, your typical gunowner fighting a tyrannical American government will get killed by drone and never put their sights on an actual person.
 
You have clearly stated your position to hold all gun owners at least financially responsible for mass murders.
Gun owners should take responsibility for their weapons and not expect to take away my rights to property to subsidize the real costs of gun ownership to society.
 
Lastly, your insistence that the right to bear arms infringes on your other rights merely by reason of its existence and codification is just nonsensical. There are plenty of things in this life that affect you many times more than someone owning a firearm, yet you seem enthralled only by them. You insist on labeling firearms ownership as a negative burden on society because some people commit gun violence. But we have a word for gun violence. It is called crime, and all crime is a negative burden on society, or your major concern, the taxpayer. You would seek to punish gun owners as a collective yet apparently see no reason to do so for any other means of violent crime or even accidental death. Perhaps everyone who buys prescription pills should be forced to purchase prescription pill death insurance? Or do teenagers ODing on painkillers not sufficiently place a burden on your property for you to worry about it? Maybe you should have to have a permit to own insect poison and have a quarterly inspection of your storage just in case the neighbor’s 5yr old breaks into your home and feeds it to his sister?
So, you think that you have the right to my property because I must subsidize your gun ownership and your reason is because other people put burdens on my right to property. That is, your average gun owner is just like the out of control drug addict. I see.
 
The Atlantic article, in particular, hits the nail right on the head.
 
Let me put it this way. My insurance is enough for the vast majority of firearms incidents.
You might want to check the coverages out. I would question whether it would cover a deliberate act of murder on your part.
 
So, you think that you have the right to my property because I must subsidize your gun ownership and your reason is because other people put burdens on my right to property. That is, your average gun owner is just like the out of control drug addict. I see.
Are you willing to pay for the damage criminals do if the victim was unable to protect himself/herself?
 
Funny, it says you quoted me, but that was Starship Trooper’s quote
 
Are you willing to pay for the damage criminals do if the victim was unable to protect himself/herself?
I already do. Why, do you think you’re special because you own a gun and, in your head, are willing to protect yourself?
 
I already do. Why, do you think you’re special because you own a gun and, in your head, are willing to protect yourself?
You don’t pay the costs of victims of crime. They do. A number of states, including mine, have “crime victims compensation funds” assessed against convicted criminals. But the serious criminals pay nothing, largely because they can’t. Otherwise, the victims pay for it.

I’m no more special than you are. You have a right to own a gun just as I do. If you don’t want to be able to protect yourself, that’s your business.
 
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