Maggie Thatcher passes

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If by “protesting people been clubbed to the ground by police”, you mean ending “beer and sandwiches at Number Ten” for public unions that had awarded itself a lifestyle it wasn’t willing to earn, then yes, I suppose Lady Thatcher was guilty of such.

I see a similar struggle in the US, but unfortunately, don’t see a Thatcher waiting in the wings to save us from ourselves.
 
No he really means people being clubbed to the ground, i know she was a good friend to the USA and against communism i will credit her with that, but her domestic policicies were divisive to the country but she caused a huge gulf between the haves and have nots and was instrumental in the problems we now face in parts of the UK with no industries or jobs and people walking about with no hope or chance of betterment and gangs of bored youths roaming about causing trouble when by rights they should have access to employment or apprenticeships, and lets see how the UK can support you in the war against terror and NK if the fruits of her policies help break up the UK as most Scots are very uneasy with another Tory government,
 
No he really means people being clubbed to the ground, ,
That’s what happens when you take away something that people think is “theirs” even when it isn’t. It’s like taking stolen money from a thief; they react as if it was theirs too.
 
…The reason the world has gone to rack and ruin over the last centiury or so is because of the rise of this cult of the individual, whereby we view others who might be dependent on us due to youth, disability, poverty, illness or age as burdens to be discarded rather than brothers and neighbours that we have the privilege and the duty of serving as we would serve Christ.
Tell that to the 94 million or so Communism killed in the last century. Some gave the personal responsibility of “charity” over to someone else, and were absovled. With horrific results.
 
If you mean the right to work Sam and watch your house being repossessed then you have a point, she ruined many an honest workers aspirations, close one large employer and the other firms that exist to support fall like dominoes and the community is dead when no one else steps in with work, only glad that your part of the UK fared better than ours up here,
 
May God have mercy on her soul, and may God forgive me for the feelings her memory stir in me.
 
I wasn’t the biggest Thatcher fan,but…

A man’s right to work as he will, to spend what he earns, to own property, to have the State as servant and not as master: these are the British inheritance. They are the essence of a free economy. And on that freedom all our other freedoms depend. 👍
 
I wasn’t the biggest Thatcher fan,but…

A man’s right to work as he will, to spend what he earns, to own property, to have the State as servant and not as master: these are the British inheritance. They are the essence of a free economy. And on that freedom all our other freedoms depend. 👍
And she returned that right to them. No one has the right to demand the income from others as their own.
 
She was a unifying leader, she unified England, Scotland, Wales & Ireland in that most held her in contempt, especially here in Ireland…

The iron lady with a cold heart of stone !
 
And she returned that right to them. No one has the right to demand the income from others as their own.
That’s all well and good in practice, but what about the millions out of work through no fault of their own, cannot get work due to widespread unemployment, been employed for years and then the industries/companies have gone under.

Do we just leave them to starve and die on the streets.
 
That’s not all. I have the impression that in some parts of England she was hated because of her domestic policies concerning the Coal Miners Strike. There is a song in the musical Billy Elliot called “Merry Christmas Maggie Thatcher” that illustrates this fact. Just look at the lyrics. Perhaps a Britain can explain this?

Anyway, I see her as one of Britian’s greatest prime ministers. May she RIP.
I am a Brit, and I lived through the Miner’s Strike and was politically aware during the time.

The miner’s strike is a difficult subject for many people. The Coal industry in the UK was rapidly approaching its last legs at the time of the Strike and the Miners’ Union at the time was led by a far-left neo-Communist firebrand named Arthur Scargill who saw what he thought was an opportunity to bring down a right wing government by calling an all-out strike of the coal industry and threatening to starve the country of vital fuel supplies for the power generating industry. It was his intention to re-enact the blackouts of the 1970s when the NUM (National Union of Miners) successfully forced concessions out of earlier governments. He miscalculated though, because coal was more readily available as imports and, indeed, was cheaper to obtain from abroad. Therefore the lights stayed on, and the miners’ strike lasted for a year or so, during which time the miners’ families practically starved. It happened that the areas in which the strike took place were, by and large, populated by working class people who would never have voted for Thatcher’s government anyway, therefore it played out as a class-war struggle for hearts and minds and the people who suffered, led by Scargill who utterly refused to budge or compromise, were left with an abiding hatred of the Thatcher government. To this day she is still spoken of in those areas with contempt.

After about a year or so of attrition, the strike eventually withered and the miners went back to work, but by this time some mines had degraded to the extent that their closures, which had already been on the cards, were brought forward. Within a few years, the British coal industry, which was always running uneconomically compared to cheaper imports from abroad, practically ceased to exist. The people of the coal mining areas blamed Thatcher’s government and the Conservative Party for this, although more dispassionate observers would probably suggest that with or without her, the industry would not have survived for much longer. Mines were being exhausted, open cast mining from elsewhere in the world produced far more coal at far cheaper prices, and the era of deep mined coal in the British Isles was coming to a close anyway. The strike and the hardship it caused were mainly down to political manoeuvrings by hard-left activists, but their supporters - or rather their victims - never really cottoned on to this.

The Strike became a political totem for the Left, and Thatcher became their Bogey(wo)man. History will recount a more balanced tale though. It wasn’t all Thatcher’s fault - although there were policy mis-steps, especially in the policing of pro-Strike demonstrations - but by and large, the fault mainly lies with a radical left-wing union seeking a fight with a government that was sufficiently sure of its position that it simply wouldn’t blink. That was one of Margaret Thatcher’s major strengths: that she was practically unblackmailable. In the end, that inability to compromise was eventually her downfall when, as with most long term politicians, hubris came knocking at her door. But overall, she was a titan of a politician, the like of which the world is unlikely to see again.
 
May everyone be as equally compassionate at your passing. 😉
Compassion is of no use to the dead; it is for the living. A point which Thatcher herself disregarded at her own choosing as she plunged whole communities into poverty.
 
Compassion is of no use to the dead; it is for the living. A point which Thatcher herself disregarded at her own choosing as she plunged whole communities into poverty.
When the choice is that or a whole nation which would you choose?
 
I am a Brit, and I lived through the Miner’s Strike and was politically aware during the time.

The miner’s strike is a difficult subject for many people. The Coal industry in the UK was rapidly approaching its last legs at the time of the Strike and the Miners’ Union at the time was led by a far-left neo-Communist firebrand named Arthur Scargill who saw what he thought was an opportunity to bring down a right wing government by calling an all-out strike of the coal industry and threatening to starve the country of vital fuel supplies for the power generating industry. It was his intention to re-enact the blackouts of the 1970s when the NUM (National Union of Miners) successfully forced concessions out of earlier governments. He miscalculated though, because coal was more readily available as imports and, indeed, was cheaper to obtain from abroad. Therefore the lights stayed on, and the miners’ strike lasted for a year or so, during which time the miners’ families practically starved. It happened that the areas in which the strike took place were, by and large, populated by working class people who would never have voted for Thatcher’s government anyway, therefore it played out as a class-war struggle for hearts and minds and the people who suffered, led by Scargill who utterly refused to budge or compromise, were left with an abiding hatred of the Thatcher government. To this day she is still spoken of in those areas with contempt.

After about a year or so of attrition, the strike eventually withered and the miners went back to work, but by this time some mines had degraded to the extent that their closures, which had already been on the cards, were brought forward. Within a few years, the British coal industry, which was always running uneconomically compared to cheaper imports from abroad, practically ceased to exist. The people of the coal mining areas blamed Thatcher’s government and the Conservative Party for this, although more dispassionate observers would probably suggest that with or without her, the industry would not have survived for much longer. Mines were being exhausted, open cast mining from elsewhere in the world produced far more coal at far cheaper prices, and the era of deep mined coal in the British Isles was coming to a close anyway. The strike and the hardship it caused were mainly down to political manoeuvrings by hard-left activists, but their supporters - or rather their victims - never really cottoned on to this.

The Strike became a political totem for the Left, and Thatcher became their Bogey(wo)man. History will recount a more balanced tale though. It wasn’t all Thatcher’s fault - although there were policy mis-steps, especially in the policing of pro-Strike demonstrations - but by and large, the fault mainly lies with a radical left-wing union seeking a fight with a government that was sufficiently sure of its position that it simply wouldn’t blink. That was one of Margaret Thatcher’s major strengths: that she was practically unblackmailable. In the end, that inability to compromise was eventually her downfall when, as with most long term politicians, hubris came knocking at her door. But overall, she was a titan of a politician, the like of which the world is unlikely to see again.
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Thank you for your post, I was going to post something similar but it would have been oh so much less “balanced”.
 
Tell that to the 94 million or so Communism killed in the last century. Some gave the personal responsibility of “charity” over to someone else, and were absovled. With horrific results.
What conditions bred and produced communism in the first place? Blatant exploitation of large portions of society by selfish (individualistic) elites intent on hoarding wealth for themselves at the expense of the welfare of those actually producing most of said wealth. Which led, basically, to a shift of wealth and power to a different but equally selfish and individualistic set of elites purporting to act in the common good.

Besides which, 94 million? Compared to the 50 million - in abortions in the US alone in half that time - killed due to a different species of rampant individualism which equally absolves the individual’s responsibility of charity towards others (particularly the unborn)? With equally horrific results?
 
What conditions bred and produced communism in the first place? Blatant exploitation of large portions of society by selfish (individualistic) elites intent on hoarding wealth for themselves at the expense of the welfare of those actually producing most of said wealth.

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Are you writing about the conditions that produce communism or the conditions that communism produces?
 
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