Malachi Martin

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Martin is controversial. However, most all of the opinions formed and expressed on this thread appear to be almost completely uninformed and misinformed ones based off of little tidbits and rumors.

People should understand that the types of things that Martin discussed in books like Windswept House and Keys of this Blood are very difficult to understand. It’s not something you just “pick up” or get a feel for and then make up your mind. I don’t care how smart one is. It takes a lot of reading, researching, and thinking to even begin to understand the meaning of a lot of the things he warned about.

People are free to form whatever opinion they want of him. Just make sure your opinions are based on careful study and scholarship, not just little things you’ve picked up on over the years or excerpts that you’ve read.
 
I was on the fence til I read what Bro Ignatious had to say about him and his books
 
tort said:
Sam Maloney;4157085:
With regard to Matt. 16:18, there is some disagreement as to whether this passage should be interpreted to mean that the Church will never fall into error, or whether the “gates of hell” will not prevail against the building of the Church and its spreading around the world. In other words, Jesus said that he would build his Church upon the rock, and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. But does the “it” refer to the “Church”, or the “building of the church”? Grammatically, the “it” is more likely to refer to the building and establishment of the Church around the world rather than to the Church never falling into error or being deceived or infiltrated. And quite obviously, there’ve been times in the last 2000 years where actions taken by the Church have led to the deaths of countless innocent individuals, and also there have been popes who were anything but pious and moral, but rather evil and malicious, no less.
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Thanks for letting us know you’re a schismatic who denies one of the oldest and most basic teachings of the Church early on.

“there is some disagreement”… what a hoot.
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i don’t know that much about him. is anyone willing to tell me some of the things he said that are controversial? it seems that for every person who is a fan of malachi martin there is someone who thinks he is a fraud.
 
Paul_Folbrecht said:
Yes, that’s a good story on MM.

I know people who knew Fr. Fiore personally.

However, it doesn’t remove all trace of criticism from the man. He was a sensationalist, and did and said certain things to sell more books. This is evident from his work.
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I disagree. He wrote it as he saw it. He wanted as many Catholics to know about it as possible. He took it seriously. He even gave copies of his books to Pope John Paul II personally. He was offered a very large sum of money to write a “sensationalist” book about a serial killer he interviewed. He declined.
 
I refuse to believe that the Jesuits are not good holy men. However, Judas was hand picked as an Apostle by Jesus and look how he turned out. Whether Malachi Martin was associated with the occult or not has no bearing on the Jesuits.

I belong to a Parish run by Jesuits. They are committed, knowledgeable, loyal…the best!

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Cinette said:
I refuse to believe that the Jesuits are not good holy men.

I wish I couls agree with this statement. There may be some but on the whole, they are usually liberal. Our beloved Pope John PAUL 2 had to reprimand them more than once, and severely so…

However, Judas was hand picked as an Apostle by Jesus and look how he turned out. Whether Malachi Martin was associated with the occult or not has no bearing on the Jesuits.

I think Malachi was insinuating that the Vatican had satanic groups within its walls. He himself was not involved with the occult…other than being an exorcist.

I belong to a Parish run by Jesuits. They are committed, knowledgeable, loyal…the best!

Praise God! Unfortunately, like in any organization, you will find corruption.😦

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redrosetea said:
I was on the fence til I read what Bro Ignatious had to say about him and his books
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Everybody has an opinion. His is no better than mine or mine better than his or yours better than anybody. However, I base my beliefs on what I think, not on what a brother thinks. You should do the same. It’s ridiculous to not even read the material from the man himself and take the opinion of somebody else on it. Kind of like astrology. You get what you pay for.

Peace…

MW
 
tort said:
I disagree. He wrote it as he saw it. He wanted as many Catholics to know about it as possible. He took it seriously. He even gave copies of his books to Pope John Paul II personally. He was offered a very large sum of money to write a “sensationalist” book about a serial killer he interviewed. He declined.
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Exactly. He was a good writer, a great thinker and a maverick. I admit he used sensationalism in his writings, but it doesn’t detract from the truth as he saw it. After giving his life to the priesthood and the Jesuits and performing countless exorcisms, the thought that he wrote his books to become a rock star writer is absurd.

Peace…

MW
 
Mystic_Warrior said:
Everybody has an opinion. His is no better than mine or mine better than his or yours better than anybody. However, I base my beliefs on what I think, not on what a brother thinks. You should do the same. It’s ridiculous to not even read the material from the man himself and take the opinion of somebody else on it. Kind of like astrology. You get what you pay for.

Peace…

MW
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I will beleive the word of a brother in the holy orders before I will take the word of a stranger on a BB…sorry…
 
redrosetea said:
I will beleive the word of a brother in the holy orders before I will take the word of a stranger on a BB…sorry…
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I’m not asking you to take my word for it. I’m saying that you should read for yourself and make your own decision based on the faculty of the mind and intelligence that our Father gave us. Why blindly follow the word of a brother, a priest or a stranger? So what if he has holy orders? Does that make him infallible? Research yourself. That’s the point.

Peace…

MW
 
I care if I am waisting my time and money on someone who is damaging the church…you aren’t catholic so I doubt that would matter to you…Astroloby is forbidden to me as a catholic…I want to listen to somene who is on the same page as I am spiritually…that sentence reaveals quite a bit about you and where you are coming from
 
redrosetea said:
I care if I am waisting my time and money on someone who is damaging the church…you aren’t catholic so I doubt that would matter to you
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You think you are wasting time but you don’t know that unless you buy the book. And you don’t know for a fact that he is damaging the church for that exact reason. Cheap shot. I’m not anti-Catholic and neither do I accept it when people are anti-Catholic.

Peace…

MW
 
Its not a cheap shot it a a truth…I didn’t say you were anti catholic but that doesn’t mean you care about catholicism being damaged…If you don’t like my reply stop trying to give me advice…I don’t do astrology
 
redrosetea said:
Its not a cheap shot it a a truth…I didn’t say you were anti catholic but that doesn’t mean you care about catholicism being damaged…If you don’t like my reply stop trying to give me advice…I don’t do astrology
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Okay…I wasn’t telling you to seek an astrologer. It was a comparison…ah, forget it.

Go in peace…

MW
 
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