Male-only Altar Servers?

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From what I’ve noticed at my parish, at any given Mass they will generally have either all boys serving or all girls serving, unless you are dealing with siblings. So the possible problems of boys and girls together at any given age are avoided.
 
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Crusader:
Allowing female altar servers is up to each individual bishop. Further, no priestly celebrant is obligued to use female altar servers. There are many, many dioceses/parishes throughout the world that do not allow female altar servers.

To repeat:

Serving at the altar is a powerful way to foster priestly vocations. For that reason serving at the altar should be limited to those who might possibly receive priestly vocations.
Agreed–in my diocese, the bishop has permitted the use of female altar servers. In my parish, however, the pastor has remained steadfast in allowing only altar boys, and I am very glad he has–and make sure to let him know from time to time, as I also know there are some agitating for him to allow female altar servers. Our oldest altar boy is in his early 20s, and may also be discerning a vocation to the priesthood (from the way he serves, I think he’d be a good one).

My oldest son is now an altar boy, and when he finished with the first training session before he actually started serving, his first question to me was “Mom, how long do you have to be an altar boy before you can become a priest?” He’d never mentioned before that he was thinking about a vocation to the priesthood, and there is no doubt in my mind that starting on the path to becoming an altar boy put the consideration into his mind, and he’s been thinking on the subject ever since (of course, he’s got a long road before that ever could come to pass, as he’s only 10-1/2).
 
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From what I’ve noticed at my parish, at any given Mass they will generally have either all boys serving or all girls serving, unless you are dealing with siblings. So the possible problems of boys and girls together at any given age are avoided.
:ehh: I apologize if this is truly the norm in other dioceses, in which case I was unaware, but I have never found it to be so here. I have visited a number of nearby parishes in addition to my own, and every time I have worshipped at Mass according to the Novus Ordo there has been a mixture of male and female altar servers. Most of the time (all of the time if I’m at my parish) I know all the servers and know for a fact that they are not all related to each other.
 
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Catholic2003:
This is completely incorrect. There is absolutely no requirement in canon or liturgical law that female altar servers can only be used when no males are available.
The norm is male. Male is encaourage. Female should be extraordinary. But they make it like it’s a norm. which is wrong wrong wrong

Congregation for Divine Worship - Letter on Altar Servers

July 27, 2001

In July 2001, the Holy See’s Congregation for Divine Worship issued a response to a bishop’s question (dubium) concerning the possible admission of girls and women as altar servers. The response, a further explanation of the Circular Letter to the Presidents of Episcopal Conference, March 15, 1994, no. 2, that granted permission for bishops to admit female alter servers, made it clear that only a diocesan bishop may decide whether to permit female servers in his diocese; furthermore, that no priest is obliged to have female servers, even in dioceses where this is permitted. The letter stressed that no one has a “right” to serve at the altar, and also strongly reaffirmed that altar boys should be encouraged

The Letter, signed by Cardinal Jorge A. Medina Estévez, prefect of the CDW, was published in the August/September issue of the official publication of the CDW, Notitiae. The text of the Letter is presented below in its entirety.

More into the Canon Law

Some excerpts:

Cardinal Javierre Ortas, in conveying this information, presents also the following instructions:

Canon 230.2 has a permissive and not a preceptive character: “laici … possunt´." ("lay persons ... may´.”) Hence the permission given in this regard by some bishops can in no way be considered as binding on other bishops. In fact, it is the competence of each bishop, in his diocese, after hearing the opinion of the episcopal conference, to make a prudential judgment on what to do, with a view to the ordered development of liturgical life in his own diocese.

The Holy See respects the decision adopted by certain bishops for specific local reasons on the basis of the provisions of Canon 230.2. At the same time, however, the Holy See wishes to recall that it will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar. As is well known, this has also led to a reassuring development of priestly vocations. Thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue.

If in some diocese, on the basis of Canon 230.2, the bishop permits that, for particular reasons, women may also serve at the altar, this decision must be clearly explained to the faithful in the light of the above-mentioned norm. It shall also be made clear that the norm is already being widely applied, by the fact that women frequently serve as lectors in the liturgy and may also be called upon to distribute Holy Communion as extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist and to carry out other functions, according to the provisions of the same Canon 230.2.

It must also be clearly understood that the liturgical services mentioned above are carried out by lay people “ex temporanea deputatione” (“by temporary deputation”), according to the judgment of the bishop, without lay people, be they men or women, having any right to exercise them.
I wonder why the Holy Father couldn’t figure that out. Are you claiming to know more about the subject that he does?
Really? Then why this? And I don’t see ANY female altar server in ANY Mass in Vatican or even EWTN, which should be the benchmark.
 
More interesting quotes from this link

Thus, Canon 813.2 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law declared: “The minister serving at Mass may not be a woman, unless, there being no male available, for a just reason and with the proviso that the woman answer from a distance and in no case come up to the altar (ad altare accedat).” This paragraph was not included in the 1983 revised Code of Canon Law. However, the need of an altar server was also dropped in the revised Code.


Paragraph 1 of the Instructions given by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments points out that permission given by some bishops for the use of female altar servers “can in no way be considered as binding on other bishops.” The Congregation bases this point upon the original wording of Canon 230.2, namely, that “all lay persons may carry out the functions of commentator, singer, or other functions.” However, there is here special meaning regarding female altar servers. The implication is that the general liturgical norm prohibiting female altar servers remains in existence, so that in general women may not serve at the altar unless a local ordinary intervenes by a positive act and grants permission for his territorial jurisdiction. Thus, the Congregation has clarified the authentic interpretation to mean that an indult is given to diocesan bishops to permit the use of female altar servers


In fact, according to paragraph 3 of the Instructions, “If in some diocese, on the basis of Canon 230.2, the bishop permits that, for particular reasons, women may also serve at the altar, this decision must be clearly explained to the faithful in the light of the above-mentioned norm.” The indult is not, therefore, intended as a general extension of the law of Canon 230.2 or as a permission that went into effect everywhere in the Latin Church, but only “in some diocese” or other “for particular reasons.”


d) It will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar, and thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue


From the juridical data gathered above, it seems clear that the general law prohibiting female altar servers remains in effect as a general law, notwithstanding the entry into effect of the authentic interpretation of Canon 230.2, except where it is suspended by the positive intervention of a diocesan bishop for his own territory.


With the new permission [of allowing female altar server], the male presbyterium disappears entirely by derogation from a law which, nevertheless, remains in effect for the universal Church.


Certain conclusions would seem to follow from this analysis. The first is that the use of altar girls does not necessarily imply a step forward in the liturgical practice of the Western Church. The Holy See “respects the decision” of certain bishops in the sense that it no longer regards such a decision to be an abuse of the law, but this does not mean that the Holy See recommends and advocates the use of women altar servers as an improvement in the liturgical practice of the Church. It is more a yielding to pressure, together with, perhaps, a certain diffidence in its own ability to judge, than it is a positive teaching. Nor do these Instructions take up the theological, mystical, psychological, and social realities underlying the noble tradition of male servers only, which the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments certainly would have had to do before proceeding to overturn the constant discipline and practice of the past two thousand years.

No more female altar server please.
 
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Melissa:
Agreed–in my diocese, the bishop has permitted the use of female altar servers. In my parish, however, the pastor has remained steadfast in allowing only altar boys, and I am very glad he has–and make sure to let him know from time to time, as I also know there are some agitating for him to allow female altar servers. Our oldest altar boy is in his early 20s, and may also be discerning a vocation to the priesthood (from the way he serves, I think he’d be a good one).

My oldest son is now an altar boy, and when he finished with the first training session before he actually started serving, his first question to me was “Mom, how long do you have to be an altar boy before you can become a priest?” He’d never mentioned before that he was thinking about a vocation to the priesthood, and there is no doubt in my mind that starting on the path to becoming an altar boy put the consideration into his mind, and he’s been thinking on the subject ever since (of course, he’s got a long road before that ever could come to pass, as he’s only 10-1/2).
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks be to God for you and your wonderful family. May God bless you all!

Yes, only those with a possible vocation to the priesthood or diaconate should serve at the altar. That should be axiomatic even to those waving the sexist/feminist flag.
 
I agree. Nobody is keeping boys who may be discerning a vocation from being servers. The Church has said girls may also be servers, so girls may also be servers, and I accept that willingly.
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Enough with the canard.

Only so many servers can serve at each Mass. Every slot should be filled with males who might possibly have priestly vocations.

Don’t have enough of these sorts of males? Focus more attention and resources on your altar server program. Start one if you don’t have one.
 
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WhiteDove:
Lots of good points here. I lean towards males only. As a previous poster said, the Church is becoming too feminized. And, young boys need exclusively male activities to lure them in. It should be a badge of honor for a young boy, If girls are allowed, it loses it’s charm for them. That’s just the reality of school-boy psychology.

Where I live there are small two parishes that share one priest. One of them is very conservative, has only males readers and only altar boys. They are very well trained, like soldiers at attention. It really is nice. The men are way more involved at that parish. The other parish has more lukewarm people.

Another parish that is near my work, where I’ve gone a few times, has very poorly trained altar servers. One boy was fidgeting and looking at his watch frequently, obviously bored. It was a distraction from an otherwise lovely Mass.
Very encouraging to hear.

I attened a small parish now and then and they have an outstanding altar server group – the Knights of the Altar. They are extremely well trained with a very high espirit de corps. Forcing females into this group would only harm it.
 
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beng:
Really? Then why this? And I don’t see ANY female altar server in ANY Mass in Vatican or even EWTN, which should be the benchmark.
Masses at the National Bascilica in Washington have a single female altar server now and then and it looks very incongruent, very forced.

Thankfully she vests in an alb and not a cassock and surplice – clerical vestments that have long been “on loan” to altar boys.
 
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Crusader:
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kellie:
Is there any reason why it hasnt been mentioned that a girl serving at the altar may be contemplating becoming a nun, and serves at the altar to help foster that calling ??
Some would suggest the opposite.
Just as some suggested that having “separate but equal” schools was actually better for blacks. People who endorse discrimination seem to have an unlimited capacity for self-delusion in these matters.

Making sure that young girls have an early positive experience with the Church is very helpful for their vocations, whether it is to become a nun, or to marry and be the mother of future priests, or however else they can serve Christ.

Conversely, the negative consequences of having a young girl’s early experience with the Church be one of being the target of unjust discrimination can be just as devastating.

Looking up misandry in the dictionary gives the definition as “the hatred or oppression of males.” You have to be pretty warped to think that wanting to make sure that young girls to experience the Church as a fair and just institution constitutes the hatred or oppression of males.
 
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Melissa:
My oldest son is now an altar boy, and when he finished with the first training session before he actually started serving, his first question to me was “Mom, how long do you have to be an altar boy before you can become a priest?” He’d never mentioned before that he was thinking about a vocation to the priesthood, and there is no doubt in my mind that starting on the path to becoming an altar boy put the consideration into his mind, and he’s been thinking on the subject ever since (of course, he’s got a long road before that ever could come to pass, as he’s only 10-1/2).
I am glad that your son is having such a great early experience with the Church by serving at the altar.

I know of several females whose early experience as altar servers has resulted in great things for their present Christian vocation and witness. What I don’t understand is why denying this early positive experience to all the young girls of your parish is a requirement for your son’s wonderful experience.
 
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beng:
Thus, the Congregation has clarified the authentic interpretation to mean that an indult is given to diocesan bishops to permit the use of female altar servers
Actually, it is the other way around. The universal law of the Church, contained in canon 230 (as authentically interpreted), places males and females on an equal status as regards service at the altar. What the Congregation for Divine Worship instruction does is to give bishops an indult to discriminate against female altar servers. To see this, one only has to notice that a bishop has absolutely no authority to discriminate against left-handed altar servers, for example.
 
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Catholic2003:
I know of several females whose early experience as altar servers has resulted in great things for their present Christian vocation and witness. What I don’t understand is why denying this early positive experience to all the young girls of your parish is a requirement for your son’s wonderful experience.
I don’t believe it is appropriate for girls to serve on the altar, and even if we had a future pastor who allowed it, my daughter would still be forbidden, while my sons would be encouraged, and I’d be making many efforts to suggest altar serving to other people’s sons so that there would still be no need to add girls. It is hardly the only possible way to provide a positive experience.

Furthermore, it has been my experience that when girls are allowed on the altar, the age of the altar servers goes down, and the boys all but vanish because serving on the altar becomes ‘girl stuff’ and ‘kid stuff’. I think there is much to be gained by keeping boys serving on the altar until they are old enough that entrance to seminary is a real possibility, and my experience is that this does not happen when girls start serving.

Quite frankly, I see permission for girls serving on the altar to be equivalent to the Mosaic law permission for divorce, as both were born from disobedience.
 
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Catholic2003:
Actually, it is the other way around. The universal law of the Church, contained in canon 230 (as authentically interpreted), places males and females on an equal status as regards service at the altar. What the Congregation for Divine Worship instruction does is to give bishops an indult to discriminate against female altar servers. To see this, one only has to notice that a bishop has absolutely no authority to discriminate against left-handed altar servers, for example.
Back it up. Where’s your source. Did you even read that Canon Law study I put up there?

That’s one weird interpretation that’s not inline with 1960 years of church tradition
 
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Catholic2003:
Just as some suggested that having “separate but equal” schools was actually better for blacks. People who endorse discrimination seem to have an unlimited capacity for self-delusion in these matters.

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False analogy.
 
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Catholic2003:
Making sure that young girls have an early positive experience with the Church is very helpful for their vocations, whether it is to become a nun, or to marry and be the mother of future priests, or however else they can serve Christ.

Conversely, the negative consequences of having a young girl’s early experience with the Church be one of being the target of unjust discrimination can be just as devastating.
Vocation for nuns are more flourishing during the days when there were no female altar server.

Don’t fall into false dichotomy.There’s no such thing as unjust discrimination. It’s as it was since beginning. It’s like, I don’t fell being treated unjustly for not allowing me to wear dress and skirt. It’s just the way it is.
 
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beng:
Back it up. Where’s your source.
From the New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law commissioned by the Canon Law Society of America, page 1103:
In 1992 the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts gave an authentic interpretation of canon 230, §2 which acknowledged that women or girls could be altar servers at Mass. This was a merely declarative interpretation, since the prohibitions of canon 813 of the 1917 code against females serving Mass and approaching the altar during Mass were not included in canon 906 of the 1983 code.
Authentic interpretations are defined in canon 16, and merely declarative interpretations are actually retroactive. Indults are singular administrative acts defined in canon 35. Thus, contrary to your post, the fact that female altar servers are not prohibited could not possibly be an indult.
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beng:
That’s one weird interpretation that’s not inline with 1960 years of church tradition
I’m not aware of a 1960 year old Church tradition of discriminating against left-handed altar servers.
 
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Melissa:
Quite frankly, I see permission for girls serving on the altar to be equivalent to the Mosaic law permission for divorce, as both were born from disobedience.
Just as the 2001 CDW instruction that permitted individual priests to discriminate against female altar servers was born from those priests’ disobedience to their bishops’ decisions to permit female altar servers.

So it appears that your disdain for “permissions born from disobedience” is somewhat selective, and only applies to those Church decisions that you already personally disagree with.
 
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beng:
There’s no such thing as unjust discrimination.
I guess you aren’t very familiar with the Church’s teachings on social justice, then. The Church was and still is quite vocal in pointing out the unjustness of America’s discrimination against blacks.
 
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