Man from ministry bans Potter

[adrift]

The witchcraft you quote and the herbalist/midwives I mention are two different things. The Church used the Bible to demonize these people and make them witches.

Nohome

Your comment referred to my statement that witches were traditionally evil. They may be two different things but you connected them. The Church did not use the Bible to demoniacs that is untrue. You yourself say that they were two different things.

 

[estesbob]

In the Order of the Phoenix, near the very end, Harry uses the Cruciatus Curse on Bellatrix Lastrange, right after she kills Syrius Black. the Curse is not fully effective as Harry doesn’t have right intent, to cause pain.

In the Deathly Hallows, Harry uses the the Cruciatus Curse on Amycus Carrow, in the Ravenclaw Common Room, (jsut before Voldemort enters) in retaliation for Carrow’s spitting at Prof McGonagall. This time the curse works to it’s full effect. His quote there is “I see what Bellatrix meant… you really need to mean it.”

This purpose of the curse is to cause excruciating pain. What is also interesting is that the command word for this curse “Crucio” is the Latin word for 'Torture".

It was defined in the book as being one of the 'Unforgivable" Curses, and it’s use was supposed to result in a life time sentance to Azkaban. In fact, it’s use was the crime that Barty Crouch Jr. ( ala Goblet of Fire) was sentanced to Azkaban for.

But it seems that Harry somehow gets off scott free in using it.

You are absolutely right. I have seen the light . please see forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=194302

I hope you will join me in rooting out other 'Childrens Bokks" that pervert out children.

 

[Nohome]

Your comment referred to my statement that witches were traditionally evil. They may be two different things but you connected them. The Church did not use the Bible to demoniacs that is untrue. You yourself say that they were two different things.

Sorry, I can’t decipher what you are trying to say.

Nohome

 

[adrift]

Witches have traditionally been understood to be evil. Y.

Really?

Witches were traditionally understood to be healers or wise women in a community. Witches were often the old lady on the edge of town who understood the medicinal properties of plants and served as doctors and midwives.

Many witches were christian until witchcraft was declared heresy in 1320. Even then it was more about supressing women than evil. It wasn’t until much later that witches were tied to the occult and considered enemies of Christianity.

Nohome

The witchcraft you quote and the herbalist/midwives I mention are two different things. The Church used the Bible to demonize these people and make them witches.

Nohome

You mention my quotes which were quotes that supported that witches have traditionally been evil. You claimed they were not. They were evil in the Old Testament, they were evil in the New and in other sources which I named they were evil. It is a modern thing to say that witches just were herbalist/midwives. This is untrue. Your statement about the Church was not true and unfounded other than the revised picture that is going on in society to make it witches o.k. The occult is still condemned.

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All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117
All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others—even if this were for the sake of restoring their health—are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

 

[Nohome]

You mention my quotes which were quotes that supported that witches have traditionally been evil. You claimed they were not. They were evil in the Old Testament, they were evil in the New and in other sources which I named they were evil. It is a modern thing to say that witches just were herbalist/midwives. This is untrue. Your statement about the Church was not true and unfounded other than the revised picture that is going on in society to make it witches o.k. The occult is still condemned.

You are basing your thesis on the English translation of the Bible. In the Hebrew old testament, they were referring to women who use curses to harm people. In the Greek of the new testament, they were talking about people who poisoned people to kill them. They are completely unrelated to the medicine women Christians called witches. That and Wicca is not the occult. You are a seriously confused individual, I don’t need you to tell me what is true or untrue.

Why do you think “witch hunt” became known as an activity that persecutes people unjustly?

Nohome

 

[estesbob]

In the Order of the Phoenix, near the very end, Harry uses the Cruciatus Curse on Bellatrix Lastrange, right after she kills Syrius Black. the Curse is not fully effective as Harry doesn’t have right intent, to cause pain.

In the Deathly Hallows, Harry uses the the Cruciatus Curse on Amycus Carrow, in the Ravenclaw Common Room, (jsut before Voldemort enters) in retaliation for Carrow’s spitting at Prof McGonagall. This time the curse works to it’s full effect. His quote there is “I see what Bellatrix meant… you really need to mean it.”

This purpose of the curse is to cause excruciating pain. What is also interesting is that the command word for this curse “Crucio” is the Latin word for 'Torture".

It was defined in the book as being one of the 'Unforgivable" Curses, and it’s use was supposed to result in a life time sentance to Azkaban. In fact, it’s use was the crime that Barty Crouch Jr. ( ala Goblet of Fire) was sentanced to Azkaban for.

But it seems that Harry somehow gets off scott free in using it.

You could be right. Why last April 6th I heard a reading from a book that had the most vivid descriptions of torture imaginable. i was shocked to see how many parents were there with children and even encouraged their children to listen. We have got to put a stop to this.

 

[Corki]

This purpose of the curse is to cause excruciating pain. What is also interesting is that the command word for this curse “Crucio” is the Latin word for 'Torture".

It was defined in the book as being one of the 'Unforgivable" Curses, and it’s use was supposed to result in a life time sentance to Azkaban. In fact, it’s use was the crime that Barty Crouch Jr. ( ala Goblet of Fire) was sentanced to Azkaban for.

But it seems that Harry somehow gets off scott free in using it.

But you are missing something. It is the realization that it would be so easy to justify evil that tortures Harry. He is a flawed human character, tempted by the possibility of revenge and by power but even though his way is not perfectly straight, he perseveres to the end and ultimately make the right choice.

 

[Nohome]

You could be right. Why last April 6th I heard a reading from a book that had the most vivid descriptions of torture imaginable. i was shocked to see how many parents were there with children and even encouraged their children to listen. We have got to put a stop to this.

What book was this Bob? We should write a letter to the Pope and have him condemn it. Children can’t handle graphic descriptions of violence.

Nohome

PS Yes, I’m feeding into your point.

 

[estesbob]

What book was this Bob? We should write a letter to the Pope and have him condemn it. Children can’t handle graphic descriptions of violence.

Nohome

PS Yes, I’m feeding into your point.

Well my protestant friends tell me the Pope once did forbid reading from this book-perhaps he should do it again!

 

[adrift]

You are basing your thesis on the English translation of the Bible. In the Hebrew old testament, they were referring to women who use curses to harm people. In the Greek of the new testament, they were talking about people who poisoned people to kill them. They are completely unrelated to the medicine women Christians called witches. That and Wicca is not the occult. You are a seriously confused individual, I don’t need you to tell me what is true or untrue.

Why do you think “witch hunt” became known as an activity that persecutes people unjustly?

Nohome

You set up a straw man. Nothing of what you have said undermines that witches are traditional. Making an attack on me does nothing for your position but it does undermine it. You assertions amount to private opinion based on modern ideas trying to make witches o.k. Which further the argument that HP is dangerous. A position that I really did not have until you drove it home to me.

You are basing your thesis on the English translation of the Bible. In the Hebrew old testament, they were referring to women who use curses to harm people.

And How are curses used in HP

 

[SILVERNAME]

What’s the “bad message” in HP?

Witchcraft? no more so than Grimm fairy tales, LOTR, etc. I’ve never seen nor even heard of any kid reading HP and then doing spells they learned in the books. Not gonna happen, either!

What? You mean you didn’t hear jk herself say that many kids were calling her and asking her about witches and witchcraft and how to be one?

Well that did happen, JK herself admitted it, and now she says that dumbeldore is a homophile, who was looking for a man.

Some who has homophile desires and is looking for someone from the same sex for “love” ( yeah right more like perversion)
IS is a practicing homophile/sodomite, contrary to what the liberal homophile coddling potter-lovers might claim.

And yes it is in the books, although it was subtle, but not anymore, so now when children who know about that sodomite reads the books, they now have a different understanding of what that immoral story is talking about.

Harry Potter promotes witchcraft, we have known that for a very long time, and now we know that it is also promoting disent against the teachings of the Church especially with regards to homophilia.

Harry Potter truly is a piece of trash that should be banned from all Christian schools and libraries.

Let the secularist homophile coddling libraries and schools stock that garbage if they want to, but Christian schools and libraries should be kept free from such occult and homophilic filth.

That man from ministry did the right thing, the Christian thing, he should be commended for his righteous act.

 

[SILVERNAME]

The witchcraft you quote and the herbalist/midwives I mention are two different things. The Church used the Bible to demonize these people and make them witches.

Nohome

Well if weren’t really witches then of course prosecuting them for witchcraft would be wrong.

But the fact that those herbalists and midwives were not witches does not in any way change the fact that witchcraft is immoral and witches are immoral.

And since harry potter and the other in that story are witches and not herbalists or midwives, then they are immoral.

And since the main character is immoral, and the story tries to make this immoral creature seem to be the good guy then the series is immoral.

Therefore harry potter is an immoral series made by an immoral homophile coddling anti-Christian fanatic.

 

[Nohome]

Which further the argument that HP is dangerous.

HP is fantasy!

Nohome

 

[Nohome]

And since harry potter and the other in that story are witches and not herbalists or midwives, then they are immoral.

They are characters in a children’s book.

Nohome

 

[SILVERNAME]

HP is fantasy!

An immoral fantasy, no less immoral than the fantasies of homophiles and pedophiles.

A fantasy that is promoting witchcraft and homophilia to children.

They are characters in a children’s book.

Yes, immoral characters who commit immoral acts, in a book that is trying to trick children into thinking that these characters are good people who do good things.

Do you not recognize the danger in such a setup??

They are characters in an immorality promoting book, a book that is not suitable for children, a book that its immoral author and greedy publisher is trying to pass of as a childrens book.

Sorry, but immorality promoting books should never be considered childrens books.

 

[Brendan]

But you are missing something. It is the realization that it would be so easy to justify evil that tortures Harry. He is a flawed human character, tempted by the possibility of revenge and by power but even though his way is not perfectly straight, he perseveres to the end and ultimately make the right choice.

Corki, yes, Harry is a flawed charater, good, that is what helps tell a moral story.

But part of being a ‘good’ character is not that one is immune to temptation, or even falls. The hallmark is that when one fails, repents\seeks forgiveness and\or attempts to make ammends.

That’s the key factor in denoting ‘good’ vs ‘evil’. Good does not use evil methods by design, and when it falls for temptation, it expresses regret.

After Harry tortures his opponents, he expresses no remorse, rather, after torturing Carrow, he notes that he got it right that time.

Where exactly in the book does Harry express remorse over torturing Bellatrix or Carrow, where does he attempt to make ammend. Heck, I’d setting if an authority figure such as Dumbledore or McGonagall expressed displeasure in Harry’s actions.

But none of that happened.

Contrast this to Frodo, when the influence of the Ring causes him to lash out at Samwise, what’s the first thing that Frodo does afterward, he aplogizes and tries to make ammends.

Even Boromir does the same after he frightens Frodo and Sam enough to leave the company, in fact he gives his life in reparation.

H.P. has none of this, Harry is a flawed character, so flawed, in fact that he uses evil, shows no remorse and suffers no punishement for the act.

Not exactly what we want to show our kids.

 

[Brendan]

They are characters in a children’s book.

Nohome

So Nohome, is it your belief that characters in a childrens book can do an immoral act, and it’s justifiable simply because the characters are fictional?

 

[TraditionalCath]

Catholic school bans Harry Potty book series. Well, Well! Finally, someone standing up for the Catholic faith.

boston.com/ae/books/articles/2007/10/25/man_from_ministry_bans_potter/

Maybe we should send the pastor a word of congratulations.

finally, someone taking a stand!

 

[Catholic90]

What? You mean you didn’t hear jk herself say that many kids were calling her and asking her about witches and witchcraft and how to be one?

Yeah, whatever…You show me any kid who has performed any spell cast from HP!

Well that did happen, JK herself admitted it, and now she says that dumbeldore is a homophile, who was looking for a man.

Some who has homophile desires and is looking for someone from the same sex for “love” ( yeah right more like perversion)
IS is a practicing homophile/sodomite, contrary to what the liberal homophile coddling potter-lovers might claim.

Wrong. That is not anywhere in the books. You show me where in the books Dumbledore was having sex. You will be looking a mighty long time, because it in nowhere to be found!

And yes it is in the books, although it was subtle, but not anymore, so now when children who know about that sodomite reads the books, they now have a different understanding of what that immoral story is talking about.

No, it’s not! You could not be more wrong!

Harry Potter promotes witchcraft, we have known that for a very long time, and now we know that it is also promoting disent against the teachings of the Church especially with regards to homophilia.

Only if you are looking for it!

Harry Potter truly is a piece of trash that should be banned from all Christian schools and libraries.

I disagree.

Let the secularist homophile coddling libraries and schools stock that garbage if they want to, but Christian schools and libraries should be kept free from such occult and homophilic filth.

If you choose not to read it, fine. Others disagree.

That man from ministry did the right thing, the Christian thing, he should be commended for his righteous act.

It is his school, and yes he can do what he wants. However, parents can choose to do what is appropriate with their own kids and have them read it if they so choose.

Priests do make mistakes, too. I certainly do not “commend” him.

 

[So_Catholic]

Oh for goodness’ sake! Don’t we have anything better to worry about than a fictional character’s sexual orientation?! So what if she says he was gay, so what is she promotoes tolerance? Last time I checked, tolerance was not a bad thing. There is no sin in the text of these books, there is no sin even implied in the texts of these books. And if “magic” is the worry, then I want to see Grimm’s fairy tales removed from the shelves as well. Our over-censorship is creating a generation of kids who can’t think for themselves because the older generation consideres them incapable of doing so.

I like this point, but you also forget that while we all sit around discussing books harmless or not much worse things are happening in the world, abortion is still legal , Gays are still having street fairs , people are still starving every day while you all sit in front of your potential expensive computers eating pizza and drinking soda’s while ranting about books .

Not to mention all the wars you could go protest, btw im not referring to Iraq so dont flame me please

And yet you all sit around debating whether or not books are healthy for children (who btw have probably already read them and gone back to their video games )

Why do we bicker over minor things while society crumbles around us… :banghead: