Man jailed for racist internet post

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independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-jailed-for-racist-internet-post-2371883.html

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MY take: I agree what the guy said was idiotic and brain-dead-------but EIGHT months in jail for stating an (admittedly) stupid opinion on the internet???
I’m as Catholic as anybody else here and even I find this wrong.

He also did NOT say he was going to actually kill anybody----only that he WISHED we were dead.
And since when has Catholicism been considered a “race?” :confused:

I guess by the Scottish police standards, most of us here at one time or another will end up in jail for making “offensive, racist comments.” :rolleyes:
Oh, Great Britain, Great Britain-----you have abandoned reason and replaced it with PC madness…🤷

What do the Scottish and English folk think about this? And anybody else? 😦
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-jailed-for-racist-internet-post-2371883.html

Read the above.
MY take: I agree what the guy said was idiotic and brain-dead-------but EIGHT months in jail for stating an (admittedly) stupid opinion on the internet???
I’m as Catholic as anybody else here and even I find this wrong.

He also did NOT say he was going to actually kill anybody----only that he WISHED we were dead.
And since when has Catholicism been considered a “race?” :confused:

I guess by the Scottish police standards, most of us here at one time or another will end up in jail for making “offensive, racist comments.” :rolleyes:
Oh, Great Britain, Great Britain-----you have abandoned reason and replaced it with PC madness…🤷

What do the Scottish and English folk think about this? And anybody else? 😦
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Nobody will comment? OOKKKKKKKKKKK.
 
Yeah that’s Great Britain.

But honestly, if you get in trouble for hate speech about LGBTQ, Disabled, Jews, Blacks, Islamics, Latinos, and Orientals then the rules should protect Catholics too.

All or nothing.
 
If the most vile speech isn’t tolerated, nothing is safe. Even SCOTUS can see that. I’m not sure why they can’t across the pond.
 
We are accustomed to freedom of speech. In other countries, this freedom is limited. What he said was distasteful. They consider it a grave offense. What he did was wrong. The punishment was also wrong.
 
Don_Machiavelli said:
Yeah that’s Great Britain.

But honestly, if you get in trouble for hate speech about LGBTQ, Disabled, Jews, Blacks, Islamics, Latinos, and Orientals then the rules should protect Catholics too.

All or nothing.
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In a way that is true, but two wrongs do not make a right.

And since when is being Catholic part of a race?

And wishing somebody would die the same as threatening to kill soembody?
 
Digitonomy said:
You’re antsy after only half an hour? The short attention span of today’s citizens is one of the things that has weakened democracy and civic life.
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To be honest, I thought I would get a response quicker since folks were responding to other threads here quicker.

“My bad,” I guess.

Guess I will be more “patient” next time. 👍👍
 
Don_Machiavelli said:
Yeah that’s Great Britain.

But honestly, if you get in trouble for hate speech about LGBTQ, Disabled, Jews, Blacks, Islamics, Latinos, and Orientals then the rules should protect Catholics too.

All or nothing.
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Rugs are oriental. People are Asian.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
In a way that is true, but two wrongs do not make a right.

And since when is being Catholic part of a race?
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Well I’m not sure what country you live in, but in America, most Catholics got off the boats at Ellis Island and moved into urban slums and worked menial labor jobs, and ran away from things like the Irish potato famine, or poverty and corruption in Italy and Poland. They dealt with rats, mafia, factory-related deaths, cholera, and every other possible imaginary thing. They were considered “half-whites”, and called names like mick, papist, paddy, wop, dago, guinea, polack, bohunk, etc…

50 years later, alot of Old Money Protestants STILL considered them “half-Americans”, until Blacks moved up to the North, and Latinos and Asians moved to the country.

100 years after the Catholics arrived in the country, there are Federal protections for “minorities” including Jews (religion), Islamics (religion) Latinos (language), and Homosexuals (orientation). But the descendants of the immigrants who had a tumultous history are just lumped in as “whites”, even though none of them owned slaves, etc…

If you’re gonna have protections for one group, have 'em for all.
 
The concern would be that others might act on the comments.
It only takes the spread of an idea in online networks to spark certain behaviors, like amassing of the uninvited at a private party.
The possibilities for wrongful and criminal consequences of posting on social networks can be serious, and anything hateful can, and has been, an incitement to evil acts.

facebook.com/pages/Incitement/106324586064923
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
And since when is being Catholic part of a race?
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“Fenian tattie farmers” is more a comment about national origin rather than race, but perhaps “race” has a broader connotation in Scotland than the US. The article doesn’t make clear exactly what law was violated. Presumably it includes both racial and religious threats, even though the headline was less elaborate.
 
It was in Britain that a man got arrested for calling a bobbie’s horse a homosexual not too long ago.

I guess once they took a horses feelings into consideration, they couldn’t very well pretend that a Catholics’s feelings wouldn’t be almost that important as those of a horse.

Britain isn’t so much about individual freedoms anymore. It is all about group feelings, even if the group is a herd of horses. That group feelings now extend to Catholics, I must admit, took me back a little.

I wasn’t expecting that.:eek:
 
I’m from the United States and as Catholic as they get…

Jailing him was wrong. I understand the UK doesn’t have the same laws as we do about freedom of speech, but I do believe the right to say whatever you want is a basic human right. Yes, what he said was wrong, but I will defend his right to say it. I just wish he would have chosen not to, and to not be filled with such hate.
 
ringil said:
Rugs are oriental. People are Asian.
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Ironically, people say that today, yet I had a female and Asian-descended hairdresser I used to go to that had no problem using that term.

Had a total, almost stereotypical southern accent as well----on the phone, you would NEVER suspect she was Asian. Name was Janet.

And to reiterate, she had NO problem saying the word “Oriental.” Like she would ask me----“You like to date Oriental girls?” 🙂

I actually had to tell her, "Believe it or not, the term ‘Oriental’ is considered politically incorrect nowadays. You can’t say it anymore. Considered offensive. People say----‘Oriental is a carpet.’ The preferred term now is ‘Asian’ or ‘Asian-American.’ "

She would say: “Really? I did not know that. Had no idea. I’ve always said Oriental or Asian. I guess I have no problem with it.”

Me, jokingly: “Guess you are subtly ‘undermining’ your race,” then," I would smile.

She would then smile back and say: “I guess I am, then.”

Ultimately, the whole deal about replacing certain terms with others for siome imagined “racism” is just silly to me.
And yes, I DO understand that not all Asians would feel like Janet.
I just think that it is a massive overrreaction on the part of some to read “insult,” “racism,” and “very politically incorrect” into everything.
And yes, there IS still racism on ALL sides in this country.
The paranoia about it, though, has gotten out of hand.

You can start the flaming now. :rolleyes:
 
Oh, there won’t be any flaming on this forum. Most feel the same as you.
 
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