Mandatory mask poll

[Elizabeth3]

Remember your current whataboutism. You said if this picture, of three people by themselves and isolated from other, contained Trump then there would be an uproar, not that the media is biased against Trump.

I specifically referred to the media and how they would spin the picture which shows their bias.

Take the same picture but have the President, Melania and some unknown guy. The media would be screaming about how he is such a bad leader who should consider the optics due to his position. “He’s just giving fuel to the non-maskers.” etc.

This may surprise you though, a lot of people do not buy the whole "fake news, mainstream media, liberal conspiracy. So if you use that outside of a Trump rally, then it might not draw a knee-jerk agreement.

You can stop with the condescending stereotyping that somehow because I’m a Trump supporter I can’t make a proper assessment of what I see. You can also stop making these weird accusations that I don’t know that some people might see it differently. Where in the world are you getting that I ever said I expected knee-jerk agreement from everyone? You’re the one who keeps saying that because your opinion differs from mine that that somehow disproves my observation about the media and the different standards that are applied towards some and not others depending on political affiliation.

In this case (the picture above) , I think the picture to be innocuous, so much so that whoever was in it, there would not be an “uproar.” I base this on when masks need to be worn, not who Trump is, his enemies, or supporters.

That’s funny. Because I think the picture is innocuous as well but I differ in my opinion, based on what I’ve observed of the media over the years, that they definitely would have made a big to do if it was Trump in the photo. It’s fine if you have a different opinion but please stop insinuating that that I can’t have an opinion that differs from yours based on my own observations.

Masks are this thread’s topic. Remember that and what I said should not be confusing.

This doesn’t make sense.

 

[njlisa]

In Romans 13:1-2, St. Paul writes:
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

If you oppose the requirement to wear masks, give me some feedback on this scripture passage. Please apply this scripture only to mask regulations. Let’s not bring in totalitarian regimes that command people to do evil acts.

Are you suggesting that Paul never broke any laws and was totally submissive to authority?

@RuthAnne: No, I’m asking for feedback on these
verses as they pertain to mask wearing. First Peter
makes the same point.

What are your thoughts?

1 Peter 7 states:

13 Be subject to every human institution for the Lord’s
sake, whether it be to the king as supreme
14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment
of evildoers and the approval of those who do good.
15 For it is the will of God that by doing good you may
silence the ignorance of foolish people.
16 Be free, yet without using freedom as a pretext for
evil, but as slaves of God.
17 Give honor to all, love the community, fear God, honor
the king.

@RuthAnne

The Catechism instructs Catholics to obey the law.

However, using paragraph below, you could argue that mask
rules are against the moral law and go against your conscience.
For me, that’s a stretch. But at least it has a basis in Catholic
teaching.

1903 Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, “authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse.”

 

[RuthAnne]

Are you suggesting that Paul never broke any laws and was totally submissive to authority?

 

[EXdrinker]

The fact is that wearing a mask might save a life and might save thousands of lives. Is that not worth the slight inconvenience?

It also might take lives. Today is the first day of the Minnesota mask mandate. I could barely breathe at mass and touched it dozens of times to hold it away so I could inhale fresh air, all to make sure that I had it and that someone didn’t report that people were at mass without masks. If there was coronavirus in my pew I certainly moved it to my mask and the extra heavy breathing brought it deep into my lungs. Wearing the mask and the hyperventilating and heavy breathing that comes with it makes it more likely I would then spread it. I am convinced this is a worthless endeavor and very possibly could make things worse. I will not wear it on public again and will find an alternative solution or get a medical exemption for work.

 

[BornInMarch]

I agree that mask orders are good because they decrease the amount of infections with minimal risk to others. It also seems to me that in most countries the government has the right to impose rules on the citizenry for the sake of public health (within reason, of course).

 

[Elf01]

I object to mandatory mask wearing but I’m really sorry you had to put up with that abuse. On saying that I think having a supply of masks for people who haven’t brought their own is a good idea, especially if you are an essential business. However it could have been phrased much better.

 

[pnewton]

Are you suggesting that Paul never broke any laws and was totally submissive to authority?

St. Paul claimed to be the worst of sinners.

“This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance: that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.”

But the like you, he lived in a place where it was not mandatory to wear a mask.

On a serious not, legitimate civil disobedience has a place whenever civil authorities have enacted an immoral law. If, as one person in California believed, that a mask law came from the devil, then it would be appropriate not to obey. But even then one must willingly accept the consequence, that is, the fine, jail, or trespass warning.

 

[pnewton]

I keep waiting to see if grocery stores are going to need to hire bouncers, like bars.

 

[pnewton]

I know the feeling, if not the specifics. I am finishing up a 40 hr, 3-day weekend myself. COVID issues at work have been some of my biggest headaches, but we are really doing remarkable well.

FYI, I have a row of masks in front of me I use, including one N95 when I expect things to be a little more dicey.

 

[27lw]

You might find that it gets easier as you get a bit more used to it.

 

[on_the_hill]

It also might take lives. Today is the first day of the Minnesota mask mandate. I could barely breathe at mass and touched it dozens of times to hold it away so I could inhale fresh air, all to make sure that I had it and that someone didn’t report that people were at mass without masks.

My daughter works in a warehouse, where it is hot all day, and she wears her mask all day. She hasn’t died yet.